---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/16/04: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:20 AM - Sir Barry (MOEMILLS@aol.com) 2. 07:47 AM - Re: Sir Barry (css nico) 3. 08:17 AM - North Atlantic Crossing Trip In Your Commander Summer 2004 (ProgSearch@aol.com) 4. 08:19 AM - Re: A Few Commanders in Mexico (CloudCraft@aol.com) 5. 09:03 AM - Re: Sir Barry (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 6. 09:08 AM - TRIP TO EUROPE (MOEMILLS@aol.com) 7. 06:59 PM - Re: Sir Barry (W J R HAMILTON) 8. 11:49 PM - Re: Sir Barry (Bill Bow) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:56 AM PST US From: MOEMILLS@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com Dear Fellow Commander Drivers: My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great good fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us to lunch at a local English Pub. Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members should be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with the Commanders and their history. Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off." Best wishes, Moe and Linn N680RR ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:49 AM PST US From: "css nico" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" Great people, those Britons, huh? We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over in London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse, White something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry > --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com > > Dear Fellow Commander Drivers: > > My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great good > fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us to > lunch at a local English Pub. > > Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members should > be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with the > Commanders and their history. > > Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off." > > Best wishes, > > Moe and Linn > N680RR > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:21 AM PST US From: ProgSearch@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: North Atlantic Crossing Trip In Your Commander Summer 2004 --> Commander-List message posted by: ProgSearch@aol.com Hello Twin Commander Flight Group Members and list subscribers! For those of you who attended the 2003 TCFG fly-in at Wright Brothers Airport this summer you will know what I am talking about. For those who didn't a quick recap. I am an aircraft delivery pilot and have flown Twin Commanders across the North Atlantic. During the fly-in at KMGY I made a presentation on crossing the North Atlantic in a Shrike Commander. My friend Ed Carlson who has crossed the North Atlantic 269 times and I are putting together a guided tour across the North Atlantic during the summer of 2004 for Twin Commander aircraft owners. Several of you expressed interest in participating during the fly-in. So now is the time for you to express your interest again and let us know where the final European destination should be. Do you want to go to Scotland and see the lochness monster or will it be all the way to London to visit Sir Barry and the Farnborough air show, or would you prefer to cross the English Channel and storm the beaches of Normandy? Our goal is to have ten Twin Commanders make the crossing together. More than ten would be a logistical nightmare. We will be flying the North Route which consists of flying into the Northeast territory of Canada now know as Nunavik, Baffin Island, onto the west coast of Greenland to the town of Sondre Stromfjord a former US Air Force Base where we'll drink Greenland Coffee, eat dried fish, and reindeer steak, over the frozen polar icecap past the lost squadron's resting place to the East coast of Greenland to the town of Kulusuk, which has a 3900 foot hard packed gravel runway, to Reykjavik, Iceland for a bath at the famous volcanic thermal spring The Blue Lagoon. From Reykjavik we'll set out over Iceland to do a fly by of Iceland's most active volcano and make our way down to the Northern tip of Scotland to the Isle of Lewis. From this point on we can anywhere in Europe, it is really up to you as a group or individual. The following is a rough schedule. Deposit Due mid to late April Mandatory North Atlantic Crossing Safety Course taught by Ed Carlson (269 North Atlantic Crossings, Sporty's Pilot Shop has his video and workbook on Crossing the North Atlantic) in May at Commander Aero in Dayton, Ohio. You'll also hear from Doctor Jeff Justice of Memphis, Tennessee. He'll speak about his accident in 1986 on the Polar Icecap of Greenland in his Twin Comanche. He and his wife both survived the crash. If a number of West Coast participants sign up to go we'll conduct a second training course on the West coast for you guys. You'll learn the do's and don'ts of crossing the North Atlantic in a GA aircraft. Navigation, Communication, Ditching procedures, and survival. Your insurance carrier will not provide you with the necessary hull, liability, and SAR insurance without completing this course. While attending the training course it would be a good time for Gary Kromer's crew to give your aircraft a pre-crossing inspection. If you don't bring your aircraft to Dayton, we'll provide you with the recommended inspection and you will have to have it performed at a facility of your choice. The month of June will be devoted to processing paperwork, obtaining the necessary insurance, shipping survival gear to you, and reviewing crossing safety information, and weather tutorials. Approximately, the second week in July we'll all meet in Maine for a pre launch meeting, aircraft and equipment inspection, dinner, a guest speaker who has flown the North Atlantic more than 570 times will provide you with more insight on crossing, and a good nights rest before we leave. For planning purposes you should allow two to three weeks to complete the trip to Europe and back. I have made it round trip in four days, but that was on an aircraft with three pilots and actual flight time of 14 to 20 hours per day and near perfect weather. It is difficult to give you a hard number on the costs because a few things are variable. The biggest is the weather and bad weather can add days to a trip which means more hotel cost and food cost. I can tell you that avgas exceeds $7 per gallon in Greenland and in some places we must stop in Canada. If we have to fly in Greenland after 5PM or on Sunday we will have to pay $800 more for keeping the airport open after hours or for opening on Sunday. All that being said you should plan on the entire event costing you around $23,000 to $25,000 per aircraft. All the logistics involved from training, hotel accommodations, customs and general declaration forms, handling fees, parking fees, negotiated fuel prices, ground transportation, sightseeing, safety and survival gear, charts and approach plates, weather briefing, flight planning and filing, will be handled by us. You will need to fly the airplane and enjoy the trip. In addition, an experienced Commander mechanic and rated pilot who has flown the North Atlantic will be joining us should your aircraft need assistance during the trip. We will also carry a small inventory of common spare parts. And much much more. We will be filming a documentary of crossing the North Atlantic during the trip, naturally each participant will receive a copy. So, thanks for your indulgence and if you are interested please send me an email or you can call me to discuss the trip in greater detail at 859-689-9046. I need to have a rough aircraft and head count by the end of February to negotiate fuel, handling fees, parking fees, and hotel prices. Thank You, Kevin Coons and Ed Carlson ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:56 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: A Few Commanders in Mexico --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 01/15/04 23:53:58 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com writes: I too saw the 690B when I was ferrying the 560F to Panama. Really sad to see her rotting away. The shop guy told me in broken English that it could be bought but had no idea what the price might be. Thanks for the commander spotting!! jb Cap't JimBob, I thought it might be on the market if someone wanted to pursue a project airplane. Since it's hangared at Aerotron, I'm sure they could put anyone that was interested in touch with the owner. While the plane is accumulating a bit of bird dung -- and who knows what the status of the spar is -- it's not so far gone as to be written off yet. http://www.aerotron.com.mx/ Hangar # 1, Aeropuerto Internacional G.D.O. Puerto Vallarta Jalisco, M=E9xico Zip Code: 48311 Tel: 52 (322) 221 19 21 Fax: 52 (322) 221 17 93 aerotroninfo@aerotron.com.mx Somebody with too much time and money and love for Commanders should go retrieve this one! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:47 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 1/16/2004 6:21:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS@aol.com writes: Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members should be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with the Commanders and their history. AMEN!! AMEN!! Thank you Barry for all you do for all of us in "Commanderland"!! jb ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:24 AM PST US From: MOEMILLS@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: TRIP TO EUROPE --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com Dear Kevin and Ed, I am very interested in making the trip with the group, however, what is the longest leg of the flight. Two IGSO540B1A engines are pretty thirsty, and my fuel capacity is only 223 gals. Please advise. Best regards, Moe Mills ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:46 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON All, Or pubs named after various selected parts of Royal anatomy. To repeat an oldie but a goodie "Why to poms drink warm beer, because they have Lucas refrigerators". Anybody who has had a English motor car with a Lucas electrical system will know what I mean. Mind you, drinking something like Theakstons Old Peculiar ( true, that's the name of a great ale, which is absolutely nothing like the panther p--- that all too commonly masquerades as lager beers) would be a waste cold. An interesting summer outing was a QF 9 London to Manchester, QF 10 return, go at 8/9000 instead of FL200 plus, and see how many pubs that we had been to, that we could identify @ 250 kt. From the Bovingdon holding pattern alone, I could identify about 10, I used to live right under it when I was working for BMA. For something really quaint, try the Dewdrop at Hurley, near Henley-on-Thames, you will need directions from a ( really) local, the road to it doesn't even appear on an Ordinance Survey map. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 02:38 17/01/2004, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" > >Great people, those Britons, huh? >We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over in >London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse, White >something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint. >Nico > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com > > > > Dear Fellow Commander Drivers: > > > > My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great >good > > fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us >to > > lunch at a local English Pub. > > > > Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members >should > > be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with >the > > Commanders and their history. > > > > Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off." > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Moe and Linn > > N680RR > > > > > > COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note. The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton, Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is: will remain valid for about three months. All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about three months, the date will be notified. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:29 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" re: Lucas refrigerators/AKA Lucas Electric I have been told that Lucas is "The Prince of Darkness" bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "W J R HAMILTON" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > All, > Or pubs named after various selected parts of Royal anatomy. > > To repeat an oldie but a goodie "Why to poms drink warm beer, because they > have Lucas refrigerators". > Anybody who has had a English motor car with a Lucas electrical system will > know what I mean. > > Mind you, drinking something like Theakstons Old Peculiar ( true, that's > the name of a great ale, which is absolutely nothing like the panther p--- > that all too commonly masquerades as lager beers) would be a waste cold. > > An interesting summer outing was a QF 9 London to Manchester, QF 10 return, > go at 8/9000 instead of FL200 plus, and see how many pubs that we had been > to, that we could identify @ 250 kt. From the Bovingdon holding pattern > alone, I could identify about 10, I used to live right under it when I was > working for BMA. > > For something really quaint, try the Dewdrop at Hurley, near > Henley-on-Thames, you will need directions from a ( really) local, the road > to it doesn't even appear on an Ordinance Survey map. > > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > > At 02:38 17/01/2004, you wrote: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" > > > >Great people, those Britons, huh? > >We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over in > >London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse, White > >something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint. > >Nico > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com > > > > > > Dear Fellow Commander Drivers: > > > > > > My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great > >good > > > fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us > >to > > > lunch at a local English Pub. > > > > > > Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members > >should > > > be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with > >the > > > Commanders and their history. > > > > > > Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off." > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Moe and Linn > > > N680RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note. > The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton, > Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is: > > will remain valid for about three months. > All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about > three months, the date will be notified. > >