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1. 11:22 AM - YV-1050P (Barry Collman)
2. 12:38 PM - Re: YV-1050P (CloudCraft@aol.com)
3. 02:33 PM - Re: YV-1050P (Barry Collman)
4. 03:23 PM - 520 manual (Don)
5. 08:34 PM - Re: 520 manual (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
6. 09:32 PM - Re: N500FV (CloudCraft@aol.com)
7. 09:48 PM - Re: N500FV (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
8. 11:52 PM - Re: N500FV (John Vormbaum)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi guys,
There's a rather nice shot of YV-1050P, a Model 690B, seral number 11443 to be
found at:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/502324/L/
Best Regards,
Barry C.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
Wow! Beautiful Turbo Commander and one of the better air to air photos I've
seen in a long time.
I was in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, (MMSD) yesterday and saw a terrific specimen
of a 500A/B.
I'm embarrassed that I lost my scribbled notes and know the serial number is
all important, Sir Barry.
But -- N500VF was one of the 500A models factory converted to a 500B. There
was an auxilliary data plate stating the conversion at Bethany, Oklahoma, and
the date may have been November, 1964.
It also looks like a Gary Gadberry product with Shrike nose, eyebrow
windows, slim line vent windows, winglettes, square rudder cap and tail stinger.
The
avionics were not his canted radio stack, however, so it may have been an
early treatment, or, just an exterior work over.
This Commander sports a very striking paints scheme: the top half is a deep,
deep gray -- almost black -- metallic paint with yellow stripes. The
airplane appears to be in very Bristol shape.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Thanks Wing Commander.
I was unable to find an "N500VF" on my database, so unless it is a very
recently-changed "N" number, I think it may well have been N500FV, owned by
Frank Vessels (of Bonsall, CA).
This is s/n 1248, now a Model 500B. Formerly a 1962 500A (s/n 1248-73) it was
converted to a 500B, with the conversion signed-off on 03Dec64.
It was indeed "breathed on" by Gary Gadberry's Aircenter Inc in June 2000, hence
all the nice mods.
Sounds like an interesting paint job. What color was the bottom half?
Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: YV-1050P
| --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
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| Wow! Beautiful Turbo Commander and one of the better air to air photos I've
| seen in a long time.
|
| I was in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, (MMSD) yesterday and saw a terrific specimen
| of a 500A/B.
|
| I'm embarrassed that I lost my scribbled notes and know the serial number is
| all important, Sir Barry.
|
| But -- N500VF was one of the 500A models factory converted to a 500B. There
| was an auxilliary data plate stating the conversion at Bethany, Oklahoma, and
| the date may have been November, 1964.
|
| It also looks like a Gary Gadberry product with Shrike nose, eyebrow
| windows, slim line vent windows, winglettes, square rudder cap and tail
stinger. The
| avionics were not his canted radio stack, however, so it may have been an
| early treatment, or, just an exterior work over.
|
| This Commander sports a very striking paints scheme: the top half is a deep,
| deep gray -- almost black -- metallic paint with yellow stripes. The
| airplane appears to be in very Bristol shape.
|
| Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Don <crunk1@direcway.com>
Hey there is what looks like an original aerodesign 520 maintenance manual on e
bay that's gonna go for 5 bucks if someone doesn't grab it.
Don
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/2/2004 3:23:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
crunk1@direcway.com writes:
Hey there is what looks like an original aerodesign 520 maintenance manual on
e bay that's gonna go for 5 bucks if someone doesn't grab it.
Don
I am on it. I am trying to have a complete collection of all models for the
group. I missed out on Doc's 685 stuff:-( jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 02/02/04 14:34:09 Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Sounds like an interesting paint job. What color was the bottom half?
White.
And you're right, I transposed the tail number. It is, indeed, N500FV. And
Bonsall, California makes sense because there was the name of a stable on the
tail and Bonsall is one of the great horse breeding/training locations.
Allen Paulson, former owner of Gulfstream (and thus former owner of the the
Commander type certificate) owns stables in Bonsall.
Small world. (But I'd hate to have to paint it)
Aside from commenting on a particularly stunning Twin Commander, I wanted to
offer up the trivia to some of the new members that when the 500-B was
introduced, the dealers where having trouble selling off the remaining 500-As,
so the
factory pulled them back in and converted them to Bs. It was a windfall for
the dealers because they paid for 500As and got to sell them for the higher
priced 500B, if I remember the legend correctly.
Sir Barry, how many were factory converted under that program? We discussed
this years ago and I can't remember.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/2/2004 9:32:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
Some never even left the factor. The dealers would buy a 500A, and then send
it right back around to the back door to became a "B" before they even flew
it.... jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
I'm probably confusing this with some other important Commander statistic,
but I seem to (mis)remember the A-to-B conversions at 8 airplanes or so.
Sir Barry, am I close?
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N500FV
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2004 9:32:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
> Some never even left the factor. The dealers would buy a 500A, and then
send
> it right back around to the back door to became a "B" before they even
flew
> it.... jb
>
>
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