---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/04/04: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:37 AM - Re: N500FV (Barshalom@aol.com) 2. 04:09 AM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 () 3. 04:13 AM - Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. () 4. 04:31 AM - Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. (Howard Windham) 5. 05:12 AM - Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. () 6. 07:06 AM - Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. (MOEMILLS@aol.com) 7. 07:14 AM - Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 8. 07:19 AM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/03/04 (Robert Bullock) 9. 07:41 AM - 560E? (Fran Myers) 10. 07:53 AM - Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. (Bill Bow) 11. 10:33 AM - Re: 560E? (Barry Collman) 12. 10:37 AM - Re: 560E? (John Vormbaum) 13. 02:44 PM - Re: 560E? (Barry Collman) 14. 02:44 PM - Where's Yoda? (swperk@earthlink.net) 15. 03:03 PM - Dang...lost another fuel cap. (Lowell Girod) 16. 03:41 PM - Re: 560E? (John Vormbaum) 17. 03:42 PM - Re: Where's Yoda? (John Vormbaum) 18. 04:04 PM - Re: Where's Yoda? (MOEMILLS@aol.com) 19. 06:36 PM - Re: 4 Blade Props, redux (CloudCraft@aol.com) 20. 06:52 PM - Caps off (CloudCraft@aol.com) 21. 07:46 PM - Re: 4 Blade Props, redux (Tom Fisher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:04 AM PST US From: Barshalom@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: N500FV --> Commander-List message posted by: Barshalom@aol.com Guess all I've seen are the Colemill 300HP IO-520's. Didn't know about the IO-470's. Thanks. Bill ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:05 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 --> Commander-List message posted by: I Just got a Field Approval on a 560 for clevelands on 02/03/04 Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce campbell" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 > --> Commander-List message posted by: "bruce campbell" > > We're all here. Just quiet.... > > > Still, maybe someone should talk. > > So, anyone know a DER who can get cleveland brakes for a 520 and 560 > approved? > > Bruce Campbell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Farmer" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Dan Farmer > > > > where has everyone gone? or am I just not getting any messages? > > dan farmer > > > > Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > > > ================================================== > > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > > ================================================== > > > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can be also be found in either > > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > > Indexes and Message Navigation. 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For the second time, I have discovered a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in flight due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess I will have to climb up and check all caps after fueling...better safe than sorry. > > A new cap runs over $500.00. If anybody has one sitting on a shelf, or can be parted from another airplane, please let me know. > > By the way, the plane sat through a whole night of heavy rain, and the inside flapper kept all water out of the tank...not a drop in the sump. > > Thanks, > Randy Dettmer > 680F / N6253X > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:33 AM PST US From: "Howard Windham" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. --> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham" Harry, it better not be the one off my airplane...............................ha, ha -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of avtec2@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. --> Commander-List message posted by: I Have a new one for 275.00 Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" > > Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I have discovered a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in flight due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess I will have to climb up and check all caps after fueling...better safe than sorry. > > A new cap runs over $500.00. If anybody has one sitting on a shelf, or can be parted from another airplane, please let me know. > > By the way, the plane sat through a whole night of heavy rain, and the inside flapper kept all water out of the tank...not a drop in the sump. > > Thanks, > Randy Dettmer > 680F / N6253X > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:15 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. --> Commander-List message posted by: How you know!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Windham" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham" > > Harry, it better not be the one off my > airplane...............................ha, ha > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > avtec2@bellsouth.net > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. > > --> Commander-List message posted by: > > I Have a new one for 275.00 > Harry > 321 267-3141 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" > To: "Commander Chat" > Subject: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" > > > > > Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I have > discovered a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in > flight due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess > I will have to climb up and check all caps after fueling...better safe than > sorry. > > > > A new cap runs over $500.00. If anybody has one sitting on a shelf, or > can be parted from another airplane, please let me know. > > > > By the way, the plane sat through a whole night of heavy rain, and the > inside flapper kept all water out of the tank...not a drop in the sump. > > > > Thanks, > > Randy Dettmer > > 680F / N6253X > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:26 AM PST US From: MOEMILLS@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com Gents, My 680F(p) has small chains which attach to the cap and inside the filler area to keep the cap from being lost. Was this stock equipment or an add on? They seem to work quite well, as one of my caps was not tightened properly (while I stood on the ground and watched), and the only problem was paint scratches as the cap beat the wing for the next two hours. Moe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:14 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" I've heard different opinions about the use of the chain, and the resulting damage done to the wing while the cap flaps around in the wind stream. Interesting to hear that you only experienced some scratches,and no dents or dings. Thanks Randy D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. > --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com > > Gents, > > My 680F(p) has small chains which attach to the cap and inside the filler > area to keep the cap from being lost. Was this stock equipment or an add on? They > seem to work quite well, as one of my caps was not tightened properly (while > I stood on the ground and watched), and the only problem was paint scratches > as the cap beat the wing for the next two hours. > > Moe > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:33 AM PST US From: Robert Bullock Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/03/04 --> Commander-List message posted by: Robert Bullock Isn't there a way to put a short chain on the cap? I have them on my Cessna (I can only afford one engine and simple systems). That way they can't get away from you. The chain goes inside the filler neck when you're done. > Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I have discovered > a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in flight > due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess I will have ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:19 AM PST US From: "Fran Myers" Subject: Commander-List: 560E? --> Commander-List message posted by: "Fran Myers" Hi All, I know this is a debate, but what version commander was it that Ike flew in? Was it an E or something else? Thanks, Fran ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:27 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Better save than broke. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" > > Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I have discovered a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in flight due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess I will have to climb up and check all caps after fueling...better safe than sorry. > > A new cap runs over $500.00. If anybody has one sitting on a shelf, or can be parted from another airplane, please let me know. > > By the way, the plane sat through a whole night of heavy rain, and the inside flapper kept all water out of the tank...not a drop in the sump. > > Thanks, > Randy Dettmer > 680F / N6253X > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:11 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E? --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Fran, Ike flew in USAF 560A and 680 Models. The 560A had USAF designation L-26B (later U-4A), while the 680 was L-26C (later U-4B). However, before the Commanders were delivered they did lease him a Model 560 (L-26A). This was s/n 274, N2724B and is currently registered to Lee Monpas, in Novato, CA. He has owned it since January 1989, so I wonder if it's still active? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Myers" Subject: Commander-List: 560E? | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Fran Myers" | | Hi All, | I know this is a debate, but what version commander was it that Ike flew | in? | Was it an E or something else? | | Thanks, | Fran | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:09 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E? --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" I wonder where Lee Monpas' airplane is? I frequently fly to Novato, and have NEVER seen a round-nacelled Commander there. In addition, there are no hangars large enough to fit an Aero Commander there... /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E? > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > Hi Fran, > > Ike flew in USAF 560A and 680 Models. > > The 560A had USAF designation L-26B (later U-4A), while the 680 was L-26C (later > U-4B). > > However, before the Commanders were delivered they did lease him a Model 560 > (L-26A). This was s/n 274, N2724B and is currently registered to Lee Monpas, in > Novato, CA. He has owned it since January 1989, so I wonder if it's still > active? > > Best Regards, > > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fran Myers" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: 560E? > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:46 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E? MAILER-TRACE: 0 --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | I wonder where Lee Monpas' airplane is? I frequently fly to Novato, and have | NEVER seen a round-nacelled Commander there. In addition, there are no | hangars large enough to fit an Aero Commander there...| Well, that's a leading question John. Perhaps when you guys are out and about, you could keep an eye open for N2724B. Add it to the bottom of your Landing Check List. Thanks! Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E? | --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" | | I wonder where Lee Monpas' airplane is? I frequently fly to Novato, and have | NEVER seen a round-nacelled Commander there. In addition, there are no | hangars large enough to fit an Aero Commander there... | | /John | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Barry Collman" | To: | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E? | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | > | > Hi Fran, | > | > Ike flew in USAF 560A and 680 Models. | > | > The 560A had USAF designation L-26B (later U-4A), while the 680 was L-26C | > (later U-4B). | > | > However, before the Commanders were delivered they did lease him a Model | > 560 (L-26A). This was s/n 274, N2724B and is currently registered to Lee | > Monpas, in Novato, CA. He has owned it since January 1989, so I wonder if it's still | > active? | > | > Best Regards, | > | > Barry | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Fran Myers" | > To: | > Subject: Commander-List: 560E? | > | > | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Fran Myers" | > | | > | Hi All, | > | I know this is a debate, but what version commander was it that Ike flew | > | in? | > | Was it an E or something else? | > | | > | Thanks, | > | Fran| | ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:47 PM PST US From: swperk@earthlink.net Subject: Commander-List: Where's Yoda? --> Commander-List message posted by: swperk@earthlink.net Hello all, Has anyone been in touch with Morris in the last several days? Ive been trying to reach him, but his cell phone appears to have been disconnected and all I get is his answering machine at his work number. I hope everythings okay Thanks, Stan N548GQ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:44 PM PST US From: "Lowell Girod" Subject: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap. --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" Gents, My 680F(p) has small chains which attach to the cap and inside the filler area to keep the cap from being lost. Was this stock equipment or an add on? Commanderland; My 560E also has short chains on the fuel and hydraulic caps, not sure if that was standard or not. Since most places I fly do not particularly want to do the fueling, I usually do the re-fueling myself, so far have never had a problem, which is GOOD! Don ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:24 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E? --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" I'll definitely keep an eye out! /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E? > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > have > > Well, that's a leading question John. > > Perhaps when you guys are out and about, you could keep an eye open for N2724B. > Add it to the bottom of your Landing Check List. > > Thanks! > > Barry C. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E? > > have L-26C Model Lee if > it's still flew > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:16 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Where's Yoda? --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Hmm, I don't know what's up. I talked with him last Saturday and everything seemed fine. I certainly hope he's OK. I think I have his home number somewhere. I'll try to track him down. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: Where's Yoda? > --> Commander-List message posted by: swperk@earthlink.net > > Hello all, > > Has anyone been in touch with Morris in the last several days? Ive been trying to reach him, but his cell phone appears to have been disconnected and all I get is his answering machine at his work number. I hope everythings okay > > Thanks, > Stan > N548GQ > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:59 PM PST US From: MOEMILLS@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Where's Yoda? --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com Stan, I spoke to Morris earlier in the week and he seems to be just fine. It did take him a couple of days to get back to me after I left a message on his shop phone. Have patience! Moe N680RR ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:06 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 4 Blade Props, redux --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 02/03/04 21:18:46 Pacific Standard Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: Were many done? and what are the remarks (pros & cons) regarding the Merlyn conversion? Zone Commander, Regretfully, I have no first hand experience with the Merlyn Conversions. That's -- and the Orenda Commander -- are the two mods I've always wanted to fly and never got the chance. (I did sit in each, so I can boast that, at least.) I have to bow to Sir Barry for numbers (good thing you don't have a full time job or anything else to do with your life, Sir Barry) of Merlyn Conversions, but I think it's only a handful. I know one was done with normally aspirated engines. I know Jerry Rodger's former airplane and it is the most extraordinary 500B in the world. I know of one done for someone who was in Southern California and the rumor mill says he wasn't happy with it. One was sent to South America where it's used for high altitude photography. You'd love the former Jerry Rogers airplane (last heard it was in Colorado and was for sale) for your SAR work because it has 223 gallons of fuel, TKS leading edges, a custom built Nomex O2 tank for prolonged high altitude flight, the 4-sabre blade Hartzells and avionics up the gazank. All priced accordingly, of course. But it's an airplane you could sprint to a SAR area in and then loiter for longer than you can stand. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:54 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Caps off --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 02/04/04 07:20:07 Pacific Standard Time, rcbullock@cox.net writes: )...probably came loose in flight due to improper installation by a fuel line person. Maybe not! I've had 3 caps come off or fail in my career. One in a Cessna 310 and one in a Commander 680FLP and one in a 690A. The CE-310 had the Gabb-type cap with the tab that pulls up (for removal) and twists 1/8 to remove. There is a cotter pin that holds the whole compression assembly together on the shaft. That cotter pin rotted off and the cap came off in flight. Luckily, it was a short reposition hop and I got to watch the cap beat the tip tank for 5 minutes before I was able to land. But, because of the attach chain, the cap was in hand and repaired quickly. The Commander cap has a spiral tip on the end of the shaft that hooks into the little bar across the top of the flapper valve. Again, corrosion or fatigue caused part of the spiral "bite" to crack off and the cap came off and one the guy replacing the cap couldn't get it to stay closed, and alerted me and knowing what to look for, I found the broken tip. Lessons learned: always check up on the Nozzle Jockeys (ooops! I mean Line Service Professionals) and have fuel caps included in your scheduled maintenance. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:42 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 4 Blade Props, redux --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" I agree an ideal aircraft if we could only add six feet and four seats to it hence my search for a 680FLP (Mr.RPM). Thanks for the "rumors" on the conversion very interesting. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: 4 Blade Props, redux > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 02/03/04 21:18:46 Pacific Standard Time, > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: > Were many done? and what are the remarks (pros & cons) regarding the Merlyn > conversion? > Zone Commander, > > Regretfully, I have no first hand experience with the Merlyn Conversions. > That's -- and the Orenda Commander -- are the two mods I've always wanted to fly > and never got the chance. (I did sit in each, so I can boast that, at least.) > > I have to bow to Sir Barry for numbers (good thing you don't have a full time > job or anything else to do with your life, Sir Barry) of Merlyn Conversions, > but I think it's only a handful. > > I know one was done with normally aspirated engines. I know Jerry Rodger's > former airplane and it is the most extraordinary 500B in the world. I know of > one done for someone who was in Southern California and the rumor mill says > he wasn't happy with it. One was sent to South America where it's used for > high altitude photography. > > You'd love the former Jerry Rogers airplane (last heard it was in Colorado > and was for sale) for your SAR work because it has 223 gallons of fuel, TKS > leading edges, a custom built Nomex O2 tank for prolonged high altitude flight, > the 4-sabre blade Hartzells and avionics up the gazank. All priced > accordingly, of course. But it's an airplane you could sprint to a SAR area in and then > loiter for longer than you can stand. > > Wing Commander Gordon > >