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1. 04:16 AM - Re: 680E for sale (dcm@c-sw.com)
2. 04:23 AM - [Q] 685 Commander Project (dcm@c-sw.com)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: Stormscope vs NextRad Datalink (George J. Yundt III)
4. 02:16 PM - Re: [Q] 685 Commander Project (jlyle)
5. 08:40 PM - World's Longest Mail Run (CloudCraft@aol.com)
6. 09:03 PM - HOOVER?? (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
7. 09:14 PM - Air & Space Museum (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 11:09 PM - Re: World's Longest Mail Run (RnJThompson@aol.com)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "dcm@c-sw.com" <dcm@c-sw.com>
Greetings Barry,
Please forgive the tire-kicking, but what ballpark figure did you have in
mind?
Regards,
David
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From: radialpower@cox.net
Subject: Commander-List: 680E for sale
--> Commander-List message posted by: <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
Just wanted to remind everyone I have 680E going through a FWF
restoration. New motor mounts, new landing gear trusses, new lines,
hoses, wiring. Also doing a bunch of other "adds" the the aircraft to
make it nice/reliable/safer. It still needs paint, but I can guarantee
that
mechanically/structurally it will be the best 680E on the market when it's
done in about 45 days. Someone is going to get a heck of an airplane
for the money...
I plan to fly it "for sale" so if anyone knows of an interested party, let
me
know. Again it's times are roughly 7000TTAF, 400SMOH L/R, AD free
props, all AD's and SB's complied with and current, solid IFR panel, and
the owner is a really cool guy! :)
I'm going to take a beating on the airplane, so I'm looking for someone
who sees the value in the work that has been done and isn't gonna low
ball me, so please don't come unless you want to pay fair market value
for a good airplane.
Cheers,
Barry
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| Subject: | [Q] 685 Commander Project |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "dcm@c-sw.com" <dcm@c-sw.com>
Greetings,
Is anyone familiar with the 685 Project for sale by John Rourke? Also, any
other "deals" in a project aircraft out there? I like the straight/plain
500 and the older 520, 560 (i.e. bathtub) models.
Regards,
David
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| Subject: | RE: Stormscope vs NextRad Datalink |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "George J. Yundt III" <yundt@speakeasy.net>
Barry & Group,
Given your caveats listed below (i.e.): (a) Not intending to penetrate, b)
planning to purchase only one: either a Stormscope OR DataLink,THEN YES, I
AGREE, THE DATALINK gives far more UTILITY and if I had to choose only one,
it would be my choice.
Here's Why:
1) Again, NextRad gives a comprehensive "Big Picture" of the weather,
Stormscope does not. If you have a schedule that permits you the luxury of
total avoidance (i.e. land when things look unpleasant), then all my
previously discussed limitations (discussed yesterday) of the DataLink
NextRad melt away.
2) Depending on what model & service of DataLink you purchase, you can get
FAR MORE than just the NextRad map image. In fact, on my aircraft I use the
Metars, Pireps, Sigmets, Tafs, Special Reports every flight, and in fact use
them literally every hour, of every flight! Better yet, one little known
fact is that many AWOS and ASOS ONLY airports report into the "system" more
often than once an hour. My little home airport (Joliet (30 SW of Chicago)
which has AWOS) reports into the national system several times an hour, so I
can see the latest report usually never more than 15-20 minutes old.
Chicago O'Hare, Midway and DuPage, my three big neighboring airports, only
report once an hour (unless they report a Special) into they system!
3) Again, depending on whose model & system you select, you may soon be
able to get certain other useful "value added" services provided, ONE WHICH
INCLUDES a national version of "Stormscope" for lightning detection! I
understand that this is still 6 months away with my vendor
(Bendix-Honeywell). Other very useful value added features are Graphical
Metars" which I originally thought were "fluff", now find them to be very
useful. I understand that other reports are also coming, including tops
reports, icing charts, winds aloft and even graphical TFR's.
In conclusion, clearly the purchase of a good DataLink, Display, and Service
Provider will provide you far more utility than just a Stormscope alone
(even though again I emphasize how useful I find a Stormscope myself in
conjunction with a Radar).
Be careful to choose ONLY a high bandwidth system. I recommend a
"broadcast" service (as opposed to satellite request-reply) I am NOT a big
fan of the Orbcom, EchoFlight and other slow speed satellite systems...far
too slow and therefore will be very limited (if not impossible) for
expansion and growth to include the future value added products I mentioned
above. As I stated, I have the Bendix-King with the high speed VDL Mode 2
receiver (which is a high speed ground based system). I have no trouble in
getting good useable signals anytime above 2-3 thousand feet in the Eastern
US and find that not having WX data on the ground before takeoff is not a
big factor (that's why they have the computer in the FBO!). Check out
https://www4.bendixking.com/static/FIS/DataLinkWeather.jsp for more info.
Another vendor that I have used (in a friend's aircraft) is the recently
certified WSI through a high speed satellite. (see:
http://www.wsi.com/solutions/aviation/) It too is excellent, but it only
works TODAY with a UPSAT (Now Garmin) MX-20 MFD or L3 Cockpit Display or
various portable tablet / pocket computers. I understand that more MFD's
with WSI connectivity are coming soon, INCLUDING FUTURE GARMIN AND AVIDYNE
PRODUCTS (Both who are going to high bandwidth, in spite of their previous
low speed request-reply satellite offerings!)
Hope that this helps!
GJY III
708.349.2121
yundt@speakeasy.net
-----Original Message-----
From: radialpower@cox.net [mailto:radialpower@cox.net]
Subject: Re: On-Board Wx Radar vs Stormscope vs NextRad Datalink
George,
That was a very informative dissertation on the three technologies available
for weather detection and avoidance. What was not addressed was my
question of given the choice between one of two technologies, which is the
more useful choice?
From the answers received it seems that for guys like me who'd rather do
the "end around" than the fullback up the middle, in-flight weather is the
way to go. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to accomplish the
following things...
1) Allows a picture of the weather and trends of what it is doing.
2) Provides enough infomormation to avoid the nasty stuff.
3) Is more useful than a stormscope, unless you're already in the hard
stuff.
4) Provides allows for game planning hundreds of miles in advance.
Seems to me that if you have to choose one technology, in-flight weather is
the most useful.
Thanks to all who replied, I hope it enlightened all of us a little...
Cheers,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: [Q] 685 Commander Project |
--> Commander-List message posted by: jlyle <jlyle@thomsonaviation.com>
No longer a Project after 2 years of extensive restoration. However, I have one
of, if not the best 520 in the country.
I am needing to sell it for other personal reasons.
Aircraft is great: New strip and paint, interior, custom panel with Garmin 430,
color RDR150 radar, an S-tec 50 Autopilot and much more, new props and hubs (3
Blade no more AD's). Morris helped us with inspection and some of the early
work. Save yourself a lot of time and money and look at this one if you are serious
about a 520.
If anyone interested let me know and I will send complete spec sheet and photo's.
Thanks,
James Lyle
N11L
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "dcm@c-sw.com" <dcm@c-sw.com>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Is anyone familiar with the 685 Project for sale by John Rourke? Also, any
> other "deals" in a project aircraft out there? I like the straight/plain
> 500 and the older 520, 560 (i.e. bathtub) models.
>
> Regards,
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | World's Longest Mail Run |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
G'day all,
This was sent to me by a friend in Oz; don't know if this tour is based on a
Commander or not, but one would think so by the photo.
Perhaps some of our Mates Down Under can fill us in?
I think it's devilishly clever ... getting passengers to pay to go on a mail
run. Only nuts like us would do it and be proud about it!
If this link (or URL) doesn't take you directly to the page, click on the far
right text, "Worlds Longest Mail Run" on the Airlines of South Australia web
site.
Airlines of SA
http://www.airlinesofsa.com.au/
Enjoy!
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS.
I am announcing the dates of next years flyin. Sept 24-25-26. It
will be in Kansas City at John Towners facility. There is an airline museum
next door with a flyable Connie!! But here is the amazing part. John and his
family are close friends with Mr. Hoover. John has already invited Bob to
attend and is awaiting a reply. He said his "gut" feeling is he will be there!!
Yippee (maybe) Anyway, more details soon. I am leaving in the am to deliver a
Super Cub on amphibious floats from Cald Idaho to W. Palm, FL. The winds are
20 - 30kts on the nose!! I don't think I need a moving Mapp, a still photo
will probably be just fine! I will have my lap top so I should be somewhat in
touch.
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| Subject: | Air & Space Museum |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
Last Friday I was standing-by at Dulles (KIAD) Airport, Washington D.C., and
was able to get over to the new Air & Space Museum for about an hour and a
half.
It's a terrific facility and I recommend it to all.
It was especially touching for me because two of the most important airplanes
in my world: The Aero Commander and Falcon 20, are both exhibited.
(And yes, this does mean that's I'm getting old when two of the most
important airplanes in my world are in a museum ...)
As I'm sure all of you know, Bob Hoover's Shrike is there (right next to one
of FedEx's Falcon 20s). When I came across it, I thought to myself, "We
made it!" as a group who recognizes this extraordinary line of aircraft.
Now, the only thing I need to do is get them to fix the plaque that describes
the Shrike as a "Pressurized, 4 place, twin engine airplane." Obviously, the
Air -)
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: World's Longest Mail Run |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com
Hi Wing Commander,
As far as I am aware commanders were used up until recently. I believe they
now use Chieftains. Maybe Russell knows a bit more about them.
Regards
Richard
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