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1. 08:44 AM - Re: VH-EXU (css nico)
2. 08:44 AM - Re: Fw: EX Rockwell International Commander Training Instructor (css nico)
3. 11:16 AM - Commander 680 fuel caps (Tom Fisher)
4. 11:25 AM - Re: Commander 680 fuel caps (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
5. 11:47 AM - Re: Commander 680 fuel caps ()
6. 02:58 PM - Re: VH-EXU (Phil Stubbs)
7. 04:23 PM - Re: VH-EXU (Bill Bow)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Didn't an airliner suffer a tail malfunction due to extreme control use
recently? At least that was what the board of inquiry suggested. Cannot
remember the details.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: VH-EXU
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Russell,
>
> Gil White has a possible lead for VH-EXU. The other two - nothing new.
>
> Evidently, E S Gooch has a listing in the White Pages as 3 Healy Street,
Port Denison, Western Australia. Port Denison is in the general area of
Three Springs which Edgar Sidney Gooch gave to the Department of Civil
Aviation for registration purposes over 30 years ago.
>
> The phone number is 08 9927-1799.
>
> Would it be worth giving him a call?
>
> Re VH-LST, the possibility of structural failure is real bad news. But,
tails don't just come off on Commanders. If it did, the likely scenario is
through the pilot inducing an over-stress through extreme use of the
controls.
>
> Very Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: EX Rockwell International Commander Training |
Instructor
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I wish someone like yourself would slowly page through your logbook and make
notes of flights and put them in print. Like a narrative of your logbook, so
to speak. There are no mundane flights.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: EX Rockwell International Commander
Training Instructor
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> Wow, If nothing else I'm sure our members would like to poke at your
> knowledge and experiences.
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: EX Rockwell International Commander Training
> Instructor
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> >
> > From: "Sara Smith" <smithndiaz@hotmail.com>
> > To: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> > Subject: EX Rockwell International Commander Training Instructor
> > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:06:48 -0800
> >
> >
> > I was in your website today and it brought back a lot of good memories
> back=20when I was the Factory Customer Training Instructor in all the
Piston
> and Turboprop Commander Twins. Our department then was staffed with
myself,
> Lee Lindo and Lloyd Ferris, at the factory in Bethany Oklahoma. Years
> 1967-1969. I was fortunate to get checked out and teach both flight and
> ground training=20to Commander Twin customer owners and pilots from all
over
> the world.When the factory was sold to Alan Paulson, our training
department
> was absorbed by=20Flight Safety International. I left the company just
> before the takeover and went to work as Corporate Chief Pilot for a
handful
> of major oil and cattle companies that were operating 690B's, and 980's. I
> have 12,200 hours as a pilot of which 5,000 plus are in Turbine
commanders.
> I operated as single pilot all over the US, Mexico and the Caribbean.
After
> my commander years I flew as an airline captain in DH-6's and then went on
> to serve in the FAA !
> > as an Aviation Safety Inspector Operations for both Air Carrier and
> General Aviation. I retired from the FAA in 2000. I came to Seattle to
work
> for Flight Safety Boeing Senior Manager for FAA Regulatory Affairs in
> Renton, WA. I left=20the company after 3 years with them when FSI sold out
> to Boeing. I presently reside in Langley, WA. I miss flying the
commanders.
> I consider the entire=20line to be one of the best aircraft ever designed.
> Should you or your company have any job opportunities that I could
> contribute my expertise, please give me a call or email. Best regards,
> >
> > Raul H. Diaz
> > 1010 Cedar Circle
> > Langley, WA 98260
> > 360-221-4151
> > smithndiaz@hotmail.com
> >
> >
> > <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" nameGENERATOR>
> > <STYLE></STYLE>
> >
> >
> > I was in your website today and it brought=20back a
> > lot of good memories back when I was the Factory Customer Training
> Instructor in
> > all the Piston and Turboprop Commander Twins. Our department then was
> staffed
> > with myself, Lee Lindo and Lloyd Ferris, at the factory in Bethany
> Oklahoma.
> > Years 1967-1969. I was fortunate to get checked out and teach both
flight
> and
> > ground training to Commander Twincustomer owners and pilots from all
over
> > the world.When the factory was sold to Alan Paulson, our training
> department was
> > absorbed by Flight Safety International. I left the company just before
> the
> > takeover and went to work as Corporate Chief Pilot for a handful of
major
> oil
> > and cattle companies that were operating 690B's, and 980's. I have
12,200
> hours
> > as a pilot of which 5,000 plus are in Turbine commanders. I operated as
> single
> > pilot all over the US, Mexico and the Caribbean. After my commander
years
> I=20flew
> > as an airline captain in DH-6's and then went on to serve in the FAA as
an
> > Aviation Safety Inspector Operations for both Air Carrier and General
> Aviation.
> > I retired from the FAA in 2000. I came to Seattle to work for Flight
> Safety
> > Boeing Senior Manager for FAA Regulatory Affairs in Renton, WA. I left
the
> > company after 3 years with them when FSI sold out to Boeing. I presently
> reside
> > in Langley, WA. I miss flying the commanders. I consider the entire line
> to=20be
> > one of the best aircraft ever designed. Should you or your company have
> any=20job
> > opportunities that I could contribute my expertise, please give me a
call
> or
> > email. Best regards,
> >
> > Raul H. Diaz
> > 1010 Cedar Circle
> > Langley, WA 98260
> > 360-221-4151
> > smithndiaz@hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Commander 680 fuel caps |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I deleted the Email from the person looking for the 680 fuel cap.
I have sourced two new ones so get back to me.
By the way the Air Centre also called my source so call me before buying.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Commander-List: goodyear pucks
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs"
<br549phil@mindspring.com>
>
> There are some new Goodyear pucks on ebay. Current bid 9.99.
> Can find it under "aero commander" search.
>
>
> Phil Stubbs
> br549phil@mindspring.com
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 680 fuel caps |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Hi Tom,
I'm the one who was looking for a fuel cap...was able to get one from Gary
Kroner at Commander Aero. I hope I won't need another one, but will keep
you in mind if I do.
Thanks,
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 fuel caps
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> I deleted the Email from the person looking for the 680 fuel cap.
> I have sourced two new ones so get back to me.
> By the way the Air Centre also called my source so call me before buying.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
> To: "commander-list" <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: goodyear pucks
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs"
> <br549phil@mindspring.com>
> >
> > There are some new Goodyear pucks on ebay. Current bid 9.99.
> > Can find it under "aero commander" search.
> >
> >
> > Phil Stubbs
> > br549phil@mindspring.com
> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 680 fuel caps |
--> Commander-List message posted by: <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
I Have a new cap $275.00
Harry 321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 fuel caps
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> I deleted the Email from the person looking for the 680 fuel cap.
> I have sourced two new ones so get back to me.
> By the way the Air Centre also called my source so call me before buying.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
> To: "commander-list" <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: goodyear pucks
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs"
> <br549phil@mindspring.com>
> >
> > There are some new Goodyear pucks on ebay. Current bid 9.99.
> > Can find it under "aero commander" search.
> >
> >
> > Phil Stubbs
> > br549phil@mindspring.com
> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> >
> >
>
>
Message 6
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
An AA Airbus 300 over long Island departed JFK one minute fifty seconds
behind a 747, encountered wake vortex from the heavy, did several complete
ruder reversals and the composite tail broke off.. Airbus neglected to
inform operators of cracks found previousley on two A300's. Our training
and Boeings legal department responded by asking us to limit rudder use.
They have since backed off somewhat of this ludicrus request. Bottom line,
tail sections are not stressed for reversals.
> [Original Message]
> From: css nico <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/24/2004 11:43:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: VH-EXU
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Didn't an airliner suffer a tail malfunction due to extreme control use
> recently? At least that was what the board of inquiry suggested. Cannot
> remember the details.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: VH-EXU
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi Russell,
> >
> > Gil White has a possible lead for VH-EXU. The other two - nothing new.
> >
> > Evidently, E S Gooch has a listing in the White Pages as 3 Healy Street,
> Port Denison, Western Australia. Port Denison is in the general area of
> Three Springs which Edgar Sidney Gooch gave to the Department of Civil
> Aviation for registration purposes over 30 years ago.
> >
> > The phone number is 08 9927-1799.
> >
> > Would it be worth giving him a call?
> >
> > Re VH-LST, the possibility of structural failure is real bad news. But,
> tails don't just come off on Commanders. If it did, the likely scenario is
> through the pilot inducing an over-stress through extreme use of the
> controls.
> >
> > Very Best Regards,
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
>
>
Message 7
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Bottom line,
> tail sections are not stressed for reversals.
Not stressed on those "Hugo" jets.
The world flys on BOEING.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: VH-EXU
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs"
<br549phil@mindspring.com>
>
> An AA Airbus 300 over long Island departed JFK one minute fifty seconds
> behind a 747, encountered wake vortex from the heavy, did several
complete
> ruder reversals and the composite tail broke off.. Airbus neglected to
> inform operators of cracks found previousley on two A300's. Our training
> and Boeings legal department responded by asking us to limit rudder use.
> They have since backed off somewhat of this ludicrus request. >
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: css nico <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 2/24/2004 11:43:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: VH-EXU
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > Didn't an airliner suffer a tail malfunction due to extreme control use
> > recently? At least that was what the board of inquiry suggested. Cannot
> > remember the details.
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Commander-List: VH-EXU
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
> > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > >
> > > Hi Russell,
> > >
> > > Gil White has a possible lead for VH-EXU. The other two - nothing new.
> > >
> > > Evidently, E S Gooch has a listing in the White Pages as 3 Healy
Street,
> > Port Denison, Western Australia. Port Denison is in the general area of
> > Three Springs which Edgar Sidney Gooch gave to the Department of Civil
> > Aviation for registration purposes over 30 years ago.
> > >
> > > The phone number is 08 9927-1799.
> > >
> > > Would it be worth giving him a call?
> > >
> > > Re VH-LST, the possibility of structural failure is real bad news.
But,
> > tails don't just come off on Commanders. If it did, the likely scenario
is
> > through the pilot inducing an over-stress through extreme use of the
> > controls.
> > >
> > > Very Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Barry
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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