---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/26/04: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:58 AM - Re: VH-EXU (css nico) 2. 01:00 PM - Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" (George J. Yundt III) 3. 02:36 PM - Re: VH-EXU (Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:08 AM PST US From: "css nico" Subject: Re: Commander-List: VH-EXU --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" Sorry, Chief. You are right. My mistake. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: VH-EXU > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 02/25/04 08:43:21 Pacific Standard Time, > nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: > a news chopper > showed the Falcon land and what astonished me was the apparent > (considerable) movement of the 'T'-tail visible on the footage. > That was a Gulfstream. Falcon tails do not wobble. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:37 PM PST US From: "George J. Yundt III" Subject: Commander-List: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" SECRET_RECORD --> Commander-List message posted by: "George J. Yundt III" Just to correct the record: The aircraft Michael Jackson used to return for arraignment was not "His", but rather was a chartered Gulfstream G-II or G-III, and WAS NOT A FALCON! (You may remember the Hub-Bub about the Charter operator two days later. He secretly recorded MJ and his discussions in the cabin during the flight with a hidden camera and the Judge issued an injunction to forbid making those tapes available either publicly or to be used by either side's legal team. ALL FALCON'S HAVE MID-TAILS, NONE HAVE "T" TAILS. This design was selected to produce superb elevator control even at very high angle of attack and very slow airspeeds, and is a direct design descendant of the famous Mirage Fighter that vanquished the Arab's MIG fighters in the 60's & 70's. This configuration eliminates the "deep tail stall" effect that haunts "T-Tail" jets. As a result, the Falcons are the ONLY swept wing civil aircraft certified without the required installation of any stick shaker, stick pusher or artificial means to preclude the pilot from actually approaching a fully developed stall. Additionally, the current production Falcons are the only jets without stall strips, vortex generators, vortelons, fences or any aerodynamic "patches" to correct or modify airflow. The Falcons are the only aircraft that can be hand flown with full 3-axis authority into and through a fully developed aerodynamic stall, as well as through transonic flight of Mach .95 - .97 (we do this on demo flights with guest pilots in the left seat and allow banks during this maneuver to 60 degrees!) at the other end of the envelope, where the flow over the wing equals Mach 1.0 and you can see the shock wave on the wing and sometimes the condensate "cloud" just aft of the shock wave. A further indication of a Falcon's strength (versus that of ANY other bizjet): 1) there is NO published Turbulence Penetration Speed (Meaning that the Vmo/Mmo is the only limit for even penetrating a thunderstorm, though not recommended) and 2) it is the ONLY FAR Part 25 airframe certified by the FAA with an UNLIMITED Service Life (No hour nor cycle limits) You don't have to agree with the French Government's politics (neither do I), but no one builds a better crafted, stronger, more efficient, better handling business jet aircraft than Dassault. Just ask Wing Commander Gordon...he flies one for a living! GJY III 708.349.2121 yundt@speakeasy.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: VH-EXU From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" On 2/25/04 10:45, "CloudCraft@aol.com" wrote: > a news chopper > showed the Falcon land and what astonished me was the apparent > (considerable) movement of the 'T'-tail visible on the footage. > That was a Gulfstream. Falcon tails do not wobble. > > Wing Commander Gordon To be precise, the aircraft being referred to here was N87TD, a very very early (#39) GII with AvPartners Winglets. -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals