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1. 12:30 AM - Re: 222 is airborn (Tom Fisher)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: 222 is airborn (Russell Legg)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" (Bill Bow)
4. 08:34 AM - Re: 222 is airborn (Barry Collman)
5. 09:12 AM - Re: 222 is airborn (CloudCraft@aol.com)
6. 05:08 PM - Re: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" (css nico)
7. 10:10 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
8. 10:15 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
9. 10:59 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (CloudCraft@aol.com)
10. 11:09 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (Tom Fisher)
11. 11:14 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: 222 is airborn |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Let me know if you are going to Vancouver, BC.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 222 is airborn
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I flew triple 2 again for the first time since the engine blew.
She
> is flying on a borrowed engine for now (a long story). I have a trip in
her
> to Canada in the Morning and an appraisal on Monday. Man is it good to
have
> her back!! jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 222 is airborn |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
Goooooooooood Neeeeeeeeews Jimbob!!
Have a great flight
Cheers
Russell
On 29/2/04 2:44 PM, "YOURTCFG@aol.com" <YOURTCFG@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
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> HI KIDS.
>
> I flew triple 2 again for the first time since the engine blew. She
> is flying on a borrowed engine for now (a long story). I have a trip in her
> to Canada in the Morning and an appraisal on Monday. Man is it good to have
> her back!! jb
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Good thing I read to the last line
bilbo
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From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake"
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 02/26/04 13:01:23 Pacific Standard Time,
> yundt@speakeasy.net writes:
> You don't have to agree with the French Government's politics (neither do
> I), but no one builds a better crafted, stronger, more efficient, better
> handling business jet aircraft than Dassault.
>
> Just ask Wing Commander Gordon...he flies one for a living!
> As I say, "For a people who eat snails and frogs, the French design and
build
> superior airplanes."
>
> To add to what George clarified (re: Michael Jackson, wiggling tails and
> Dassault products) the venerable Falcon 20 is an 8.5 G airframe, a 25 psi
pressure
> vessel, and when it first came to the U.S., the FAA couldn't wrap their
minds
> around the fact that it didn't have an airspeed limit.
>
> And that was their first model designed in the early 1960s!
>
> If you want to fly have a long career in aviation, fly the best airplanes.
> In biz jets, it's Falcons.*
>
> In propeller driven twins, it's Ted Smith's designs.
>
> I think everyone here can appreciate that.
>
> *note I said biz jets, Bilbo. I don't want to get in the middle of the
> Boeing vs. Airbus debate!
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 222 is airborn |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
HI DAD,
Yep! That is good news. I bet you're like a dog with two tails!!
Barry.
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From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 222 is airborn
| --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
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| HI KIDS.
|
| I flew triple 2 again for the first time since the engine blew. She
| is flying on a borrowed engine for now (a long story). I have a trip in her
| to Canada in the Morning and an appraisal on Monday. Man is it good to have
| her back!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: 222 is airborn |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
Cap't. JimBob,
How long has it been since Three Twos was airborne? What was it like after
so long?
I know ... just like riding a bicycle. Only louder.
Congrats!
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Thanks, George, these are interesting (and very little known) facts. Little
known among the recip crowd, at least, I believe.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "George J. Yundt III" <yundt@speakeasy.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake"
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "George J. Yundt III"
<yundt@speakeasy.net>
>
> Just to correct the record:
>
> The aircraft Michael Jackson used to return for arraignment was not "His",
> but rather was a chartered Gulfstream G-II or G-III, and WAS NOT A FALCON!
> (You may remember the Hub-Bub about the Charter operator two days later.
He
> secretly recorded MJ and his discussions in the cabin during the flight
with
> a hidden camera and the Judge issued an injunction to forbid making those
> tapes available either publicly or to be used by either side's legal team.
>
> ALL FALCON'S HAVE MID-TAILS, NONE HAVE "T" TAILS. This design was
selected
> to produce superb elevator control even at very high angle of attack and
> very slow airspeeds, and is a direct design descendant of the famous
Mirage
> Fighter that vanquished the Arab's MIG fighters in the 60's & 70's. This
> configuration eliminates the "deep tail stall" effect that haunts "T-Tail"
> jets. As a result, the Falcons are the ONLY swept wing civil aircraft
> certified without the required installation of any stick shaker, stick
> pusher or artificial means to preclude the pilot from actually approaching
a
> fully developed stall. Additionally, the current production Falcons are
the
> only jets without stall strips, vortex generators, vortelons, fences or
any
> aerodynamic "patches" to correct or modify airflow. The Falcons are the
> only aircraft that can be hand flown with full 3-axis authority into and
> through a fully developed aerodynamic stall, as well as through transonic
> flight of Mach .95 - .97 (we do this on demo flights with guest pilots in
> the left seat and allow banks during this maneuver to 60 degrees!) at the
> other end of the envelope, where the flow over the wing equals Mach 1.0
and
> you can see the shock wave on the wing and sometimes the condensate
"cloud"
> just aft of the shock wave. A further indication of a Falcon's strength
> (versus that of ANY other bizjet): 1) there is NO published Turbulence
> Penetration Speed (Meaning that the Vmo/Mmo is the only limit for even
> penetrating a thunderstorm, though not recommended) and 2) it is the ONLY
> FAR Part 25 airframe certified by the FAA with an UNLIMITED Service Life
(No
> hour nor cycle limits)
>
> You don't have to agree with the French Government's politics (neither do
> I), but no one builds a better crafted, stronger, more efficient, better
> handling business jet aircraft than Dassault.
>
> Just ask Wing Commander Gordon...he flies one for a living!
>
> GJY III
> 708.349.2121
> yundt@speakeasy.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 222 is airborn |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/29/2004 12:30:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
Let me know if you are going to Vancouver, BC.
Tom F.
The airplane is now in Abbosford. The newly installed engine put a rod
through the case 20 seconds after takeoff. It started an engine fire that burned
all the wiring on the outboard side of the engine and warped the lower cowling.
I landed without incident, but the airplane is now dead in a foreign
country. I am getting a little frustrated and a lot discouraged. jb
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| Subject: | Re: 222 is airborn |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/29/2004 9:13:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
I know ... just like riding a bicycle. Only louder.
Good thing to. 20 seconds after take off from Abbotford, the newly installed
(LH) engine through a rod through the case (maybe a counterweight) It
started an engine fire that did a lot of damage including warping the lower cowling.
It flew arounf fine. I had 190 gal, 300 pounds of tools so it was pretty
light. It climbed easily after the engine was secured. I am getting pretty
beaten up about now. Came home on the "crowd killer". jb
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| Subject: | Re: 222 is airborn |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 02/29/04 22:15:38 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com
writes:
It flew arounf fine. I had 190 gal, 300 pounds of tools so it was pretty
light. It climbed easily after the engine was secured. I am getting pretty
beaten up about now.
You're good. And I'd prefer to say that you're "seasoned." Sorry that
Triple Two is A.O.G. away from home base. I know that will complicate things.
Glad you're safe ... but as I said, you're good and your were in a Commander
...
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: 222 is airborn |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Bad news, I am an hour by road from Abbotsford so if there is anything I can
do let me know.
I hold a Search & Rescue exercise in Abbotsford every month so if it is
still here by then I'll go and have a look at it.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/29/2004 12:30:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Let me know if you are going to Vancouver, BC.
> Tom F.
> The airplane is now in Abbosford. The newly installed engine put a rod
> through the case 20 seconds after takeoff. It started an engine fire that
burned
> all the wiring on the outboard side of the engine and warped the lower
cowling.
> I landed without incident, but the airplane is now dead in a foreign
> country. I am getting a little frustrated and a lot discouraged. jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 222 is airborn |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
Thanks. jb
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