---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/29/04: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:30 AM - Re: 222 is airborn (Tom Fisher) 2. 04:42 AM - Re: 222 is airborn (Russell Legg) 3. 06:04 AM - Re: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" (Bill Bow) 4. 08:34 AM - Re: 222 is airborn (Barry Collman) 5. 09:12 AM - Re: 222 is airborn (CloudCraft@aol.com) 6. 05:08 PM - Re: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" (css nico) 7. 10:10 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 8. 10:15 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 9. 10:59 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (CloudCraft@aol.com) 10. 11:09 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (Tom Fisher) 11. 11:14 PM - Re: 222 is airborn (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:21 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Let me know if you are going to Vancouver, BC. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: 222 is airborn > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > I flew triple 2 again for the first time since the engine blew. She > is flying on a borrowed engine for now (a long story). I have a trip in her > to Canada in the Morning and an appraisal on Monday. Man is it good to have > her back!! jb > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn From: Russell Legg --> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg Goooooooooood Neeeeeeeeews Jimbob!! Have a great flight Cheers Russell On 29/2/04 2:44 PM, "YOURTCFG@aol.com" wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > I flew triple 2 again for the first time since the engine blew. She > is flying on a borrowed engine for now (a long story). I have a trip in her > to Canada in the Morning and an appraisal on Monday. Man is it good to have > her back!! jb > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:08 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Good thing I read to the last line bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 02/26/04 13:01:23 Pacific Standard Time, > yundt@speakeasy.net writes: > You don't have to agree with the French Government's politics (neither do > I), but no one builds a better crafted, stronger, more efficient, better > handling business jet aircraft than Dassault. > > Just ask Wing Commander Gordon...he flies one for a living! > As I say, "For a people who eat snails and frogs, the French design and build > superior airplanes." > > To add to what George clarified (re: Michael Jackson, wiggling tails and > Dassault products) the venerable Falcon 20 is an 8.5 G airframe, a 25 psi pressure > vessel, and when it first came to the U.S., the FAA couldn't wrap their minds > around the fact that it didn't have an airspeed limit. > > And that was their first model designed in the early 1960s! > > If you want to fly have a long career in aviation, fly the best airplanes. > In biz jets, it's Falcons.* > > In propeller driven twins, it's Ted Smith's designs. > > I think everyone here can appreciate that. > > *note I said biz jets, Bilbo. I don't want to get in the middle of the > Boeing vs. Airbus debate! > > Wing Commander Gordon > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:52 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" HI DAD, Yep! That is good news. I bet you're like a dog with two tails!! Barry. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: 222 is airborn | --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | | HI KIDS. | | I flew triple 2 again for the first time since the engine blew. She | is flying on a borrowed engine for now (a long story). I have a trip in her | to Canada in the Morning and an appraisal on Monday. Man is it good to have | her back!! jb | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:53 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com Cap't. JimBob, How long has it been since Three Twos was airborne? What was it like after so long? I know ... just like riding a bicycle. Only louder. Congrats! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:18 PM PST US From: "css nico" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" Thanks, George, these are interesting (and very little known) facts. Little known among the recip crowd, at least, I believe. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "George J. Yundt III" Subject: Commander-List: Falcon Jets do not have Tails that "shake" > --> Commander-List message posted by: "George J. Yundt III" > > Just to correct the record: > > The aircraft Michael Jackson used to return for arraignment was not "His", > but rather was a chartered Gulfstream G-II or G-III, and WAS NOT A FALCON! > (You may remember the Hub-Bub about the Charter operator two days later. He > secretly recorded MJ and his discussions in the cabin during the flight with > a hidden camera and the Judge issued an injunction to forbid making those > tapes available either publicly or to be used by either side's legal team. > > ALL FALCON'S HAVE MID-TAILS, NONE HAVE "T" TAILS. This design was selected > to produce superb elevator control even at very high angle of attack and > very slow airspeeds, and is a direct design descendant of the famous Mirage > Fighter that vanquished the Arab's MIG fighters in the 60's & 70's. This > configuration eliminates the "deep tail stall" effect that haunts "T-Tail" > jets. As a result, the Falcons are the ONLY swept wing civil aircraft > certified without the required installation of any stick shaker, stick > pusher or artificial means to preclude the pilot from actually approaching a > fully developed stall. Additionally, the current production Falcons are the > only jets without stall strips, vortex generators, vortelons, fences or any > aerodynamic "patches" to correct or modify airflow. The Falcons are the > only aircraft that can be hand flown with full 3-axis authority into and > through a fully developed aerodynamic stall, as well as through transonic > flight of Mach .95 - .97 (we do this on demo flights with guest pilots in > the left seat and allow banks during this maneuver to 60 degrees!) at the > other end of the envelope, where the flow over the wing equals Mach 1.0 and > you can see the shock wave on the wing and sometimes the condensate "cloud" > just aft of the shock wave. A further indication of a Falcon's strength > (versus that of ANY other bizjet): 1) there is NO published Turbulence > Penetration Speed (Meaning that the Vmo/Mmo is the only limit for even > penetrating a thunderstorm, though not recommended) and 2) it is the ONLY > FAR Part 25 airframe certified by the FAA with an UNLIMITED Service Life (No > hour nor cycle limits) > > You don't have to agree with the French Government's politics (neither do > I), but no one builds a better crafted, stronger, more efficient, better > handling business jet aircraft than Dassault. > > Just ask Wing Commander Gordon...he flies one for a living! > > GJY III > 708.349.2121 > yundt@speakeasy.net > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:55 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 2/29/2004 12:30:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: Let me know if you are going to Vancouver, BC. Tom F. The airplane is now in Abbosford. The newly installed engine put a rod through the case 20 seconds after takeoff. It started an engine fire that burned all the wiring on the outboard side of the engine and warped the lower cowling. I landed without incident, but the airplane is now dead in a foreign country. I am getting a little frustrated and a lot discouraged. jb ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:22 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 2/29/2004 9:13:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, CloudCraft@aol.com writes: I know ... just like riding a bicycle. Only louder. Good thing to. 20 seconds after take off from Abbotford, the newly installed (LH) engine through a rod through the case (maybe a counterweight) It started an engine fire that did a lot of damage including warping the lower cowling. It flew arounf fine. I had 190 gal, 300 pounds of tools so it was pretty light. It climbed easily after the engine was secured. I am getting pretty beaten up about now. Came home on the "crowd killer". jb ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:45 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 02/29/04 22:15:38 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com writes: It flew arounf fine. I had 190 gal, 300 pounds of tools so it was pretty light. It climbed easily after the engine was secured. I am getting pretty beaten up about now. You're good. And I'd prefer to say that you're "seasoned." Sorry that Triple Two is A.O.G. away from home base. I know that will complicate things. Glad you're safe ... but as I said, you're good and your were in a Commander ... Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:30 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Bad news, I am an hour by road from Abbotsford so if there is anything I can do let me know. I hold a Search & Rescue exercise in Abbotsford every month so if it is still here by then I'll go and have a look at it. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > In a message dated 2/29/2004 12:30:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: > Let me know if you are going to Vancouver, BC. > Tom F. > The airplane is now in Abbosford. The newly installed engine put a rod > through the case 20 seconds after takeoff. It started an engine fire that burned > all the wiring on the outboard side of the engine and warped the lower cowling. > I landed without incident, but the airplane is now dead in a foreign > country. I am getting a little frustrated and a lot discouraged. jb > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:13 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 222 is airborn --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com Thanks. jb