---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/18/04: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:21 PM - Re: Seeking Knowledge... (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 2. 04:22 PM - Re: Seeking Knowledge... (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 3. 04:29 PM - Re: Seeking Knowledge... (Vince Loschiavo) 4. 07:03 PM - Re: LEAKING OIL TANKS (Phil Stubbs) 5. 10:06 PM - FLYIN!!!!!!! (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 6. 10:59 PM - Re: FLYIN!!!!!!! (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:05 PM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Seeking Knowledge... --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Thanks Keith...I knew that you would have a few pearls of wisdom to share. RD ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Seeking Knowledge... > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 04/17/04 17:58:22 Pacific Daylight Time, > tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > The P-Navajo has the TIGO-541-E1A engine. Like the engines in your 680, > > Lycoming does not support it. > > > There. Tylor said it. I was going to, but didn't want to sound too > critical. > > I have zero P-Navajo experience. But I will toss this useless > opinion/question out and maybe someone can shed some light on it. > > I believe the Piper Cheyenne is based on or very similar to the P-Navajo > airframe. I understand that the short body Cheyenne (not the XL) has a SAS; a > Stability Augmentation System. > > I'm suspicious of an airplane that needs synthetic devices to make them > flyable. The aircraft that I've flown that do have SAS of one kind or another are > the Merlin III series and the Lear 25D. Both are in my Top Three List for > Great Performing Airplanes that I Hated to Fly. > > If you want to go pressurized, look at the AC-685. It probably has a > similar runway requirement and performance -- but you know the systems and handling > are top notch. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:45 PM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Seeking Knowledge... --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Thanks Tyler...I appreciate the information. RD ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Seeking Knowledge... > --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" > > Randy, > The P-Navajo has the TIGO-541-E1A engine. Like the engines in your 680, > Lycoming does not support it. Parts are hard to come by. I had a customer > that flew one into Pagosa Springs. We changed the vacuum pump. Bridget > "Fingers" the AI, found only two bolds holding it on. The other two were > loose. Only someone with really small hands can get to it. The customer > liked it and owned two of them. The second was for parts. But they are > cheep compared to the Cessna 414 or 421. > Tylor Hall > > > Hi guys, > Anybody out there have an opinion on P Navajo's...owned or operated one..?? > I am considering purchasing one, and am interested in information about > maintenance, operating costs, performance, etc. > > Thanks, > > Randy Dettmer > 680F/N6253X > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:16 PM PST US From: "Vince Loschiavo" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Seeking Knowledge... --> Commander-List message posted by: "Vince Loschiavo" Hi Randy, We are currently operating the Navajo down here in FL.. drop me a line at vince320@comcast.net for info. Best Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Commander-List: Seeking Knowledge... > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" > > Hi guys, > Anybody out there have an opinion on P Navajo's...owned or operated one..?? I am considering purchasing one, and am interested in information about maintenance, operating costs, performance, etc. > > Thanks, > > Randy Dettmer > 680F/N6253X > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:26 PM PST US From: "Phil Stubbs" Subject: Re: Commander-List: LEAKING OIL TANKS --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" Well..... Mine are still dry as a bone after years of leaks.... > [Original Message] > From: nico css > To: > Date: 4/17/2004 6:54:58 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: LEAKING OIL TANKS > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > Or small cracks? > Nico > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: LEAKING OIL TANKS > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 4/16/2004 10:53:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > br549phil@mindspring.com writes: > > Those are the ones > > Caution should be used here. I tightened mine and while it did slow the > leak > > temporarily, it returned much worse. I believe that the tank is brittle > > between the sump casting and the wing skin and tightening the bolts may > have > > caused an even larger leak?? jb > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:34 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN!!!!!!! --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com HI KIDS. It is time to make plans for this years flyin. It promises to be by far the best ever. Last year, John Bosch and all of the fine people at Commander Aero showed us an amazing time. This year John Towner will be our host a Central Air in Kansas City. BOB HOVER has been invited and is planing to attend!!! John is finishing up the reservations at the K.C. Marriott for our rooms and dinner. This will be a wonderful event and you cant miss it!! Contact me soon for you registration form and I will let you know when room reservations will be taken. Lets make this the best event ever!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:24 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN!!!!!!! --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Please send registration form. Are you sending by email or do you want a USPS address? Nico PS. This time the ghost will show up! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN!!!!!!! > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > It is time to make plans for this years flyin. It promises to be by > far the best ever. Last year, John Bosch and all of the fine people at > Commander Aero showed us an amazing time. This year John Towner will be our host a > Central Air in Kansas City. BOB HOVER has been invited and is planing to > attend!!! John is finishing up the reservations at the K.C. Marriott for our > rooms and dinner. This will be a wonderful event and you cant miss it!! Contact > me soon for you registration form and I will let you know when room > reservations will be taken. > Lets make this the best event ever!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin > Commander Flight Group > >