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1. 06:12 AM - Last fill-up @$3.02/g. I'm going to start operating LOP! Jimmy (Jimmy Rodriguez)
2. 10:10 AM - FUEL BLADDERS (Moe)
3. 10:31 AM - Re: FUEL BLADDERS (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
4. 10:34 AM - Re: FUEL BLADDERS (Jimmy Rodriguez)
5. 11:04 AM - Re: FUEL BLADDERS (Tom Fisher)
6. 12:59 PM - Re: FUEL BLADDERS (Bill Bow)
7. 03:58 PM - Re: FUEL BLADDERS (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 05:46 PM - Re: FUEL BLADDERS (Bill Bow)
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| Subject: | Last fill-up @$3.02/g. I'm going to start operating LOP! |
Jimmy
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Fellow Commander Drivers,
On my 680f(p) we have replaced all four fuel bladders in the right wing and all
four bladders in the left wing, however the large center bladder was last replaced
in 1993. If the center bladder was to start a leak where would it first
become visible? in the headliner, baggage compt., wing roots? Although there
are no visible signs of a leak it seems that there is a faint gasoline smell
in the baggage compartment when I first open the door.
Any suggestions from an experienced person will be greatly appreciated.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL BLADDERS |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Hi Moe,
I discovered the same faint smell in my baggage compartment several years
ago, and found that the fuel tank fitting on the ceiling of the compartment
was leaking. After some tightening and new safety wire, the leak was stopped
and "voila"...no more smell.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: FUEL BLADDERS
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> Fellow Commander Drivers,
>
> On my 680f(p) we have replaced all four fuel bladders in the right wing
and all four bladders in the left wing, however the large center bladder was
last replaced in 1993. If the center bladder was to start a leak where
would it first become visible? in the headliner, baggage compt., wing
roots? Although there are no visible signs of a leak it seems that there is
a faint gasoline smell in the baggage compartment when I first open the
door.
>
> Any suggestions from an experienced person will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
Hi Moe,
In our 500B, gasoline smell in the baggage compartment is the rule rather
than the exception.
Jimmy
N107VC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Commander-List: FUEL BLADDERS
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Fellow Commander Drivers,
On my 680f(p) we have replaced all four fuel bladders in the right wing and
all four bladders in the left wing, however the large center bladder was
last replaced in 1993. If the center bladder was to start a leak where
would it first become visible? in the headliner, baggage compt., wing
roots? Although there are no visible signs of a leak it seems that there is
a faint gasoline smell in the baggage compartment when I first open the
door.
Any suggestions from an experienced person will be greatly appreciated.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL BLADDERS |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Me too.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FUEL BLADDERS
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jimmy Rodriguez"
<jimmyr@popsecs.com>
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> In our 500B, gasoline smell in the baggage compartment is the rule rather
> than the exception.
>
> Jimmy
> N107VC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> To: COMMANDER-LIST@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: FUEL BLADDERS
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> Fellow Commander Drivers,
>
> On my 680f(p) we have replaced all four fuel bladders in the right wing
and
> all four bladders in the left wing, however the large center bladder was
> last replaced in 1993. If the center bladder was to start a leak where
> would it first become visible? in the headliner, baggage compt., wing
> roots? Although there are no visible signs of a leak it seems that there
is
> a faint gasoline smell in the baggage compartment when I first open the
> door.
>
> Any suggestions from an experienced person will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
Message 6
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL BLADDERS |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
You should be able to spot the stain from the fuel. You might look back
behind the curtain, by the radio rack.
Mine was the sump but we won't go there AGAIN :>(
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: FUEL BLADDERS
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> Fellow Commander Drivers,
>
> On my 680f(p) we have replaced all four fuel bladders in the right wing
and all four bladders in the left wing, however the large center bladder was
last replaced in 1993. If the center bladder was to start a leak where
would it first become visible? in the headliner, baggage compt., wing
roots? Although there are no visible signs of a leak it seems that there is
a faint gasoline smell in the baggage compartment when I first open the
door.
>
> Any suggestions from an experienced person will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL BLADDERS |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 10-May-04 10:11:12 Pacific Daylight Time,
moe@rosspistons.com writes:
> Although there are no visible signs of a leak it seems that there is a
> faint gasoline smell in the baggage compartment when I first open the door.
>
Moe,
The center tank, as you know, sits above the baggage compartment ceiling.
Depending on your baggage area interior and trim, the fuel sump drain assembly
may be "boxed" as a small protrusion below the ceiling of the baggage area.
The faint smell of gas is part of the charm of a Commander. I swear you
could blind fold any Commander pilot and place him in a variety of aircraft and
he'll know when he's in a Commander. It's the combined scent of Avgas and 5606.
A wet baggage area is probably going to be your first tip-off. Wing root
leaks have always been from wing tanks, in my experience, but I admit to only one
center tank leak vs. many wing tank leaks.
Wing Commander Gordon
Message 8
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL BLADDERS |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I forgot about the "box" I have never put mine back on since the great sump
battle. I can see mine easily. I think you are right Commander Gordon. It
is the Commander smell.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FUEL BLADDERS
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10-May-04 10:11:12 Pacific Daylight Time,
> moe@rosspistons.com writes:
>
> > Although there are no visible signs of a leak it seems that there is a
> > faint gasoline smell in the baggage compartment when I first open the
door.
> >
>
> Moe,
>
> The center tank, as you know, sits above the baggage compartment ceiling.
> Depending on your baggage area interior and trim, the fuel sump drain
assembly
> may be "boxed" as a small protrusion below the ceiling of the baggage
area.
>
> The faint smell of gas is part of the charm of a Commander. I swear you
> could blind fold any Commander pilot and place him in a variety of
aircraft and
> he'll know when he's in a Commander. It's the combined scent of Avgas and
5606.
>
> A wet baggage area is probably going to be your first tip-off. Wing root
> leaks have always been from wing tanks, in my experience, but I admit to
only one
> center tank leak vs. many wing tank leaks.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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