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1. 07:24 AM - Re: suggestion on fuel computers (Scott Dickey)
2. 08:00 AM - Re:Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/12/04 (Barry Hancock)
3. 08:21 AM - Re:Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/13/04 (Barry Hancock)
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6. 08:50 AM - Re:Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/16/04 (Barry Hancock)
7. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: suggestion on fuel computers (jimmyr)
8. 01:56 PM - hydraulic accumulator question (Scott Dickey)
9. 07:20 PM - NOSE CONE (Dan Farmer)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Scott Dickey" <jdickey@radictech.com>
Hi Jimmy,
I have a Shadin Digiflow-L installed in my 500B and I love it. Although I
don't have it connected to my Garmin 430 yet, it works great. It is always
accurate to within 1 gallon and didn't require any calibration or anything.
It worked like that right out of the box. Also, I was able to get it
approved as a replacement for the old mechanical flow gague as part of the
Merlyn engine conversion. If you are really ambitious, you could try to do
that because otherwise you'll have to keep the original gauge in addition to
the Shadin. Since the Shadin is TSO'd and always displays the flow to each
engine, the FAA allows it to be a direct replacement if you do a field
approval (Shadin has no STC for the Commander). I don't know if the Insight
is STC'd but if it doesn't show flow to each engine continuously, I don't
think you can get it approved as a replacement. In other words, it must
always show the flow to each engine separately and you cannot have the
ability to change that display to some other value. I'll send you a picture
separately.
Scott
N222LE
Time: 06:10:03 PM PST US
From: "jimmyr" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
Subject: Commander-List: suggestions on fuel computers
--> Commander-List message posted by: "jimmyr" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
Chicas,
Looking to install a fuel computer to interface with the KLN94. I'm
considering
the Shadin Digidata and Insight's TAS 1000. Would like to hear your
experiences
and suggestions.
Best Regards,
Jimmy
N107VC
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> 1. 06:51 AM - Re: Outboard Tank Etiquette (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
> 2. 08:04 AM - Re: New Commander Pilot with Questions (Tylor Hall)
> 3. 10:15 AM - Re: New Commander Pilot with Questions (Moe)
> 4. 11:34 AM - Re: Outboard Tank Etiquette (CloudCraft@aol.com)
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> Time: 06:51:37 AM PST US
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Outboard Tank Etiquette
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
> <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>
> Thanks Keith for the "as usual" great words of wisdom. Now, I ve got a
> whole new thought process going on about tank switching...thinking
> about
> running the tanks dry (I'd rather not), the possibility of an
> electrical
> failure ( I had one once...turned out that I left the generator
> switches
> off, and ran the battery out of juice), ...oh ya, and turning on the
> dishwasher.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Outboard Tank Etiquette
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>>
>> \
>>
>>> 1. When the plane is in the hangar, any fuel in the right aux tank
>>> will
>>> drain into the center tank in a short time. This occurs even if
> the
>>> fuel selector is set to "OFF". It even occurs in flight in that
> the
>>> right aux tank is used up faster than the left with the engines
>>> at
>>> approximately the same gph fuel burn. Any thoughts on why this
>>> is happening.
>>>
>>
>> Just a thought on this topic for all Commander operators with more
>> than
> 156
>> gallon fuel systems. That would be Commanders with geared Lycomings
>> and
> the
>> MR. RPM converted airframes. OK... And the few Gary Gadberry 223
>> gallon
> 500
>> A/B/U/S series.
>>
>> When using the outboard tanks, keep in mind that more fuel than is
> required
>> is sent to the fuel metering system (either pressure carburetor or
> Simmonds
>> fuel injection) and that by-passed fuel returns to the center tank.
>>
>> If one were to switch to outboard tanks too soon (or as in the case
>> with
> our
>> new friend with the leaking fuel shut-off valve), there is no room in
>> the
>> center tank for this return fuel to go and it dumps overboard.
>>
>> So when is an OK time to switch to outboard tanks? As soon as you
>> see
> the
>> main or center fuel system come off the full peg and begin to indicate
> anything
>> less than full, you have room for by-pass fuel. That would be in the
>> 135
>> gallon indicating range.
>>
>> There are two schools of thought on using the outboard tanks.
>> Either
>> one-at-a-time, or, switching to double outboard but with 15 minutes of
> staggered
>> time so if you need to run the tanks dry, you don't have two closely
> occurring
>> adrenaline rushes to recover from.
>>
>> The devotees to single outboard tank feeding run that way because in
>> the
>> event of a total electrical failure, the tank selector valves fail in
> their
>> present position and that scenario would leave you with only outboard
>> fuel
> that is
>> NOT useable in all flight attitudes and not all that much fuel to get
>> over
> the
>> mountains or ocean with.
>>
>> Just something to think about, along with meteor strikes and whether
>> you
>> forgot to run the dishwasher before you left on this trip.
>>
>> Wing Commander Gordon
>>
>>
>
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> Time: 08:04:06 AM PST US
> From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Commander Pilot with Questions
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall
> <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Ray,
> Another place that is a leaker in the commanders is the floor and the
> boot around
> the controls to the floor. The floor in a commander is the pressure
> bulkhead
> and not the outter skin. These seals are getting old since the
> aircraft is
> 35-40 years old.
> You may also want to talk to Dick MacCoon, Mr RPM. www.mrrpm.com.
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> Ray Mansfield <hcourier@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfield"
>
> I've just recently started flying an Aero Commander 680 FLP for a
> company in Ft.
> Walton Beach, FL. I suspect many of the people on your web site have
> years of
> experience with this machine. Sooo...I have a few questions.
>
> 1. When the plane is in the hangar, any fuel in the right aux tank will
> drain into the center tank in a short time. This occurs even if the
> fuel selector is set to "OFF". It even occurs in flight in that the
> right aux tank is used up faster than the left with the engines at
> approximately the same gph fuel burn. Any thoughts on why this
> is happening.
>
> 2. The pressurization system only gets about 2,000' differential at
> 10,000 ft altitude. The cabin has been checked for leaks and none
> of any consequence were found. The door seal is new and the
> seal pump seems to be working. If I just climb, say, to 15,000'
> will just the fact that the turbos will be putting out more pressure
> cause the differential altitude to increase beyond more than 2,000'.
> Right now
> there's no real benefit to having the
> pressurization as it doesn't work good enough. This airplane has the
> Mr. RPM engine
> conversion to the IO-720 Lycoming.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Mansfield
> hcourier@cox.net
>
>
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> Time: 10:15:43 AM PST US
> From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Commander Pilot with Questions
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> Ray,
>
> If you find leaks around the top of the leather boots where they
> surround
> the rudder pedals (as we did on N680RR) you may try just placing a hose
> clamp around them. Worked for us! Another place for leaks is below
> the
> floor around the hoses that connect the heater/pres. air outlets down
> close
> to the floor.
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Commander Pilot with Questions
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall
> <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Ray,
>> Another place that is a leaker in the commanders is the floor and the
>> boot
> around the controls to the floor. The floor in a commander is the
> pressure
> bulkhead and not the outter skin. These seals are getting old since
> the
> aircraft is 35-40 years old.
>> You may also want to talk to Dick MacCoon, Mr RPM. www.mrrpm.com.
>> Tylor Hall
>>
>>
>> Ray Mansfield <hcourier@cox.net> wrote:
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfield"
>>
>> I've just recently started flying an Aero Commander 680 FLP for a
>> company
> in Ft. Walton Beach, FL. I suspect many of the people on your web site
> have
> years of experience with this machine. Sooo...I have a few questions.
>>
>> 1. When the plane is in the hangar, any fuel in the right aux tank
>> will
>> drain into the center tank in a short time. This occurs even if the
>> fuel selector is set to "OFF". It even occurs in flight in that the
>> right aux tank is used up faster than the left with the engines at
>> approximately the same gph fuel burn. Any thoughts on why this
>> is happening.
>>
>> 2. The pressurization system only gets about 2,000' differential at
>> 10,000 ft altitude. The cabin has been checked for leaks and none
>> of any consequence were found. The door seal is new and the
>> seal pump seems to be working. If I just climb, say, to 15,000'
>> will just the fact that the turbos will be putting out more pressure
>> cause the differential altitude to increase beyond more than 2,000'.
>> Right
> now there's no real benefit to having the
>> pressurization as it doesn't work good enough. This airplane has the
>> Mr.
> RPM engine conversion to the IO-720 Lycoming.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Mansfield
>> hcourier@cox.net
>>
>>
>
>
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> Time: 11:34:10 AM PST US
> From: CloudCraft@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Outboard Tank Etiquette
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> Randy --
>
> I thought I had the market cornered on the trip without generators.
> On a Forest
> Service flight to pick up another AirBoss during a fire, my radios
> went dead.
>
> Was in the pattern NORDO wondering what I'd do next to save the world
> when I noticed
> those gen switches.
>
> I started the diswasher this morning and now I'm worried about it
> flooding the
> house while I'm away for the next 4 days. You just can't win.
>
> KG
>
>
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> 1. 06:10 PM - suggestions on fuel computers (jimmyr)
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> From: "jimmyr" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: suggestions on fuel computers
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "jimmyr" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
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> Chicas,
>
> Looking to install a fuel computer to interface with the KLN94. I'm
> considering
> the Shadin Digidata and Insight's TAS 1000. Would like to hear your
> experiences
> and suggestions.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jimmy
> N107VC
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "jimmyr" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
Hi Scott,
Thanks. That is great information. The TAS 1000 has only one window to show all
functions, so I think I'll go ahead with the Shadin Digidata. BTW, nice looking
panel!
Best Regards,
Jimmy
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Scott Dickey" <jdickey@radictech.com>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Scott Dickey" <jdickey@radictech.com>
>
>Hi Jimmy,
>
>I have a Shadin Digiflow-L installed in my 500B and I love it. Although I
>don't have it connected to my Garmin 430 yet, it works great. It is always
>accurate to within 1 gallon and didn't require any calibration or anything.
>It worked like that right out of the box. Also, I was able to get it
>approved as a replacement for the old mechanical flow gague as part of the
>Merlyn engine conversion. If you are really ambitious, you could try to do
>that because otherwise you'll have to keep the original gauge in addition to
>the Shadin. Since the Shadin is TSO'd and always displays the flow to each
>engine, the FAA allows it to be a direct replacement if you do a field
>approval (Shadin has no STC for the Commander). I don't know if the Insight
>is STC'd but if it doesn't show flow to each engine continuously, I don't
>think you can get it approved as a replacement. In other words, it must
>always show the flow to each engine separately and you cannot have the
>ability to change that display to some other value. I'll send you a picture
>separately.
>
>Scott
>
>N222LE
>
>Time: 06:10:03 PM PST US
>From: "jimmyr" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
>Subject: Commander-List: suggestions on fuel computers
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "jimmyr" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
>
>Chicas,
>
>Looking to install a fuel computer to interface with the KLN94. I'm
>considering
>the Shadin Digidata and Insight's TAS 1000. Would like to hear your
>experiences
>and suggestions.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Jimmy
>N107VC
>
>
>
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| Subject: | hydraulic accumulator question |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Scott Dickey" <jdickey@radictech.com>
Hey Everyone,
I just topped off my hydraulic accumulator on my 500B according to the
service manual and I have a question. The service manual says to connect a
nitrogen supply of 600 psi to the accumulator and then raise and lower the
flaps to make sure the piston in the accumulator is at the end of its stroke
and the hydraulic pressure is at zero. I did all this expecting the the
flaps to go down and maybe part way up until the piston bottomed out.
However, I was able to lower and raise the flaps twice using just the
pressure from the nitrogen bottle (master, aux hyd pump off). I don't see
how the flaps could cycle twice with just the little volume of hyd fluid
inside the hydraulic accumulator. I was afraid maybe the seals were blown
and I was forcing nitrogen into the system and that was providing the
pressure to raise the flaps. Does anyone have any advice on this? When I
closed the valve on the accumulator my hydraulic pressure was nice and
steady with the engines running so it seems like the accumulator is doing
its thing now but I am still confused.
Scott
N222LE
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There is an aero commander nose cone on ebay, starting bid is $10.00.
dan farmer
6369U
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