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1. 05:04 AM - Running past TBO (Bill Bow)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (Chris Schuermann)
3. 05:15 AM - Re: Running past TBO (Chris Schuermann)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (MASON Chevaillier)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
6. 08:46 AM - Spinner chrome (Chris Schuermann)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (Chris Schuermann)
8. 09:53 AM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (nico css 2)
9. 11:13 AM - Re: Spinner chrome ()
10. 01:39 PM - Re: Running past TBO (Jim Addington)
11. 01:51 PM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (Jim Addington)
12. 02:47 PM - Re: Spinner chrome (Chris Schuermann)
13. 03:05 PM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (MASON Chevaillier)
14. 05:58 PM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (Jim Addington)
15. 06:08 PM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (Bill Bow)
16. 06:18 PM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (Chris Schuermann)
17. 06:59 PM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (W J R HAMILTON)
18. 07:44 PM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (Jim Addington)
19. 07:50 PM - Re: Ice Cream Commander (Jim Addington)
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| Subject: | Running past TBO |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Not if it's that grim.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Running past TBO
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> Great article Chris, I will be looking forward to the one on the
> Continentals.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> "Scoop-pounds" if you're using English units of measurment.
> In a pecan nutshell, the TPE-331 torque sensing system is done via a torsion
> shaft; two concentric shafts geared together at the aft.
Exactly!
The major engineering hurdle is the calculations required to design an
appropriate torsion shaft which gives an accurate scoop-pounds per
degree of twist measurement. I think that if were to place a floating
gear between the reference shaft and torsion shaft (assuming they rotate
in opposite directions) that I could drive a meter head with it's
movement. Might have to make the torsion shaft out of rubber bar to get
the needed sensitivity though.
chris
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Running past TBO |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
John Vormbaum wrote:
> What I really want to know is, Chris, how much ice cream do you have to make
> to justify building a TPE-powered 1,017 HP ice cream maker?
Much like justifying a -10 conversion on a Commander, one needs to look
at the speed issue. If I could work out an air cycle cooling system
that would allow me to make aprox 10 containers/minute, the numbers
might work out :-)
Maybe I should drive to the fly-in and bring my ice cream maker!
chris
do not archive
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| Subject: | Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com>
you guys are way way to bored for a long 4th weekend. mason
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
>Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:33:15 EDT
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 05-Jul-04 18:16:45 Pacific Daylight Time,
>cschuerm@cox.net
>writes:
>
> > So, what exactly IS the unit of measure for the thickness of ice cream
> > anyway???
> >
>
>"Scoop-pounds" if you're using English units of measurment.
>"Scoop-hectopascalhertzbars" if you're using Metric units of measurment.
>
>It's the averaged force placed upon a SAE ice cream scoop to plunge it
>into=20a
>standing body of ice cream, make a "J" type stroke and then extract it.
>
>You can measure this with either a strain gauge or a hydraulic feed-back
>system. I'd go with a piezoelectric strain gauge because the hydraulic
>system
>can leak and then you have 5606 Swirl when you were trying to make French
>vanilla.
>
>In a pecan nutshell, the TPE-331 torque sensing system is done via a
>torsion
>shaft; two concentric shafts geared together at the aft. 1 degree of
>twist
>100 shaft horsepower. A helical spline converts the twist into a linear
>motion that positions a pilot valve which varies oil pressure that is
>sensed by a
>torque compensator and converted to voltage sent to the horsepower gage.
>
>Whew! Now you see why I wouldn't use that system ... unless you use a
>TPE-331 to drive your ice cream maker. In that case, you'd have the
>system=20in
>place and you could turn out ice cream at a staggering pace.
>
>Think of the flavors! Garrett crunch. Oil chip lite (hmmmmm?). Turbine
>nut. Cinnamon Jet-A. Beta berry ...
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
>
>Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:27:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, kamala@msn.com
writes:
you guys are way way to bored for a long 4th weekend. mason
AMEN!! jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Anyone have any good suggestions about refinishing a chrome spinner that
is suffering from pitting and peeling? Both of my spinners are a bit on
the "crusty" side and I'd sure like to spiff them back up....just not
enough to pay Hartzel$$$$$ for new ones. I'm afraid to bead blast them
as it might harden the aluminum and cause future cracking. All of the
local chrome shops mainly do motorcycle parts and won't touch it.
thanks,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
> you guys are way way to bored for a long 4th weekend. mason
>
>
> AMEN!! jb
just trying to work a little amusing side-line topic into some good
Commander discussion.....
Y'all say something if it's an annoying distraction.
chris
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| Subject: | Re: Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css 2" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Not annoying. Just took a little while to figure out the ice cream
connection. But good fun.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
> > you guys are way way to bored for a long 4th weekend. mason
> >
> >
> > AMEN!! jb
>
>
> just trying to work a little amusing side-line topic into some good
> Commander discussion.....
> Y'all say something if it's an annoying distraction.
>
> chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner chrome |
--> Commander-List message posted by: <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
Take Battery Acid AND REMOVE THE CHROME.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Spinner chrome
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> Anyone have any good suggestions about refinishing a chrome spinner that
> is suffering from pitting and peeling? Both of my spinners are a bit on
> the "crusty" side and I'd sure like to spiff them back up....just not
> enough to pay Hartzel$$$$$ for new ones. I'm afraid to bead blast them
> as it might harden the aluminum and cause future cracking. All of the
> local chrome shops mainly do motorcycle parts and won't touch it.
>
> thanks,
> Chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Running past TBO |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Hadn't thought about that. I should have several hundred hours to go.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Commander-List: Running past TBO
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Not if it's that grim.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Running past TBO
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> Great article Chris, I will be looking forward to the one on the
> Continentals.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
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| Subject: | Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
What do you mean, bored. This is cool stuff they are talking about, I can
tell ya'll are not true ice cream eaters.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:27:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kamala@msn.com
writes:
you guys are way way to bored for a long 4th weekend. mason
AMEN!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner chrome |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
avtec2@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Take Battery Acid AND REMOVE THE CHROME.
Really?!?! You've done that and it stripped the chrome without damaging
the thin aluminum?
Okay,
Thanks!
chris
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| Subject: | Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com>
blue bell rules, you know that jim. mason
>From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
>Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:51:11 -0500
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
><jtaddington@charter.net>
>
>What do you mean, bored. This is cool stuff they are talking about, I can
>tell ya'll are not true ice cream eaters.
>
>Jim
>N444BD
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>YOURTCFG@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
>
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:27:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>kamala@msn.com
>writes:
>
>
>you guys are way way to bored for a long 4th weekend. mason
>
>
>AMEN!! jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I am afraid I do, and my belt size proves it. I weighed 160 until they put
ice cream and yogurt in the terminals.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MASON
Chevaillier
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com>
blue bell rules, you know that jim. mason
>From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
>Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:51:11 -0500
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
><jtaddington@charter.net>
>
>What do you mean, bored. This is cool stuff they are talking about, I can
>tell ya'll are not true ice cream eaters.
>
>Jim
>N444BD
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>YOURTCFG@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
>
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:27:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>kamala@msn.com
>writes:
>
>
>you guys are way way to bored for a long 4th weekend. mason
>
>
>AMEN!! jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I weighed 160 until I hit the 10th grade.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> I am afraid I do, and my belt size proves it. I weighed 160 until they put
> ice cream and yogurt in the terminals.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MASON
> Chevaillier
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com>
>
> blue bell rules, you know that jim. mason
>
>
> >From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
> >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com
> >To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
> >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:51:11 -0500
> >
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> ><jtaddington@charter.net>
> >
> >What do you mean, bored. This is cool stuff they are talking about, I can
> >tell ya'll are not true ice cream eaters.
> >
> >Jim
> >N444BD
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >To: commander-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
> >
> >
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:27:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> >kamala@msn.com
> >writes:
> >
> >
> >you guys are way way to bored for a long 4th weekend. mason
> >
> >
> >AMEN!! jb
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
MASON Chevaillier wrote:
> blue bell rules, you know that jim. mason
The blue bell plant is just across town from here.
They're mere amatures... REAL ice cream costs $40/gal to make :-)
(that's including the 100LL to power the machine - a bit more if you
figure in hangar costs)
chris
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| Subject: | Re: Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Maybe measure the fluctuating torque load by driving with a "Heenan and
Froude" type eddy current clutch, with a governor the current variation to
maintain constant rpm give a direct measure of the "setting". Works great
on concrete mixing, isn't ice cream a variation on the theme.
Just couldn't help myself putting my "two bob's worth" in.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 22:21 6/07/2004, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
>CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> > "Scoop-pounds" if you're using English units of measurment.
> > In a pecan nutshell, the TPE-331 torque sensing system is done via a
> torsion
> > shaft; two concentric shafts geared together at the aft.
>
>Exactly!
>The major engineering hurdle is the calculations required to design an
>appropriate torsion shaft which gives an accurate scoop-pounds per
>degree of twist measurement. I think that if were to place a floating
>gear between the reference shaft and torsion shaft (assuming they rotate
>in opposite directions) that I could drive a meter head with it's
>movement. Might have to make the torsion shaft out of rubber bar to get
>the needed sensitivity though.
>
>chris
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Hear, Hear, I agree. That is real ice cream. MMMMMM Good. I talked to George
Dalton here in Denton and he has a 700 Commander and a 690 that he just
bought. We are planning to have a Commander fly in here for hamburgers some
afternoon. Mason if you are reading this you are going to have to get that
old plane of yours put together and come up too. Chris you will have to
bring your ice cream maker too.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
MASON Chevaillier wrote:
> blue bell rules, you know that jim. mason
The blue bell plant is just across town from here.
They're mere amatures... REAL ice cream costs $40/gal to make :-)
(that's including the 100LL to power the machine - a bit more if you
figure in hangar costs)
chris
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| Subject: | Ice Cream Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
You were taller though, I am only 5'9.5" tall. I weighed 135 all the way
through USAF pilot school and survival school but they did something to me
there because I gained 15 pounds quickly and then gained another 10 pounds.
I stayed at 160 for about 20 years. I just wish I could get back to 180 now.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I weighed 160 until I hit the 10th grade.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> I am afraid I do, and my belt size proves it. I weighed 160 until they put
> ice cream and yogurt in the terminals.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MASON
> Chevaillier
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com>
>
> blue bell rules, you know that jim. mason
>
>
> >From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
> >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com
> >To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
> >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:51:11 -0500
> >
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> ><jtaddington@charter.net>
> >
> >What do you mean, bored. This is cool stuff they are talking about, I can
> >tell ya'll are not true ice cream eaters.
> >
> >Jim
> >N444BD
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >To: commander-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ice Cream Commander
> >
> >
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:27:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> >kamala@msn.com
> >writes:
> >
> >
> >you guys are way way to bored for a long 4th weekend. mason
> >
> >
> >AMEN!! jb
> >
> >
>
>
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