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1. 06:36 AM - Re: March ARB., Riverside (James Rodriguez Colom)
2. 10:18 AM - Re: March ARB., Riverside (Bill Bow)
3. 10:56 AM - Re: March ARB., Riverside (Jim Crunkleton)
4. 01:40 PM - Re: March ARB., Riverside (Barry Collman)
5. 04:46 PM - Any Mechanic Recommendations? (Brock Lorber - VegasFC)
6. 05:03 PM - Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? (Tom Fisher)
7. 05:17 PM - Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? (Brock Lorber - VegasFC)
8. 05:31 PM - Comm (Phil Stubbs)
9. 06:00 PM - Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? (Bill Bow)
10. 06:31 PM - Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? (Brock Lorber - VegasFC)
11. 07:34 PM - Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? (CloudCraft@aol.com)
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| Subject: | March ARB., Riverside |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez@bppr.com>
Bilbo,
It just missed us down here. I hope it's the same for you.
Best Regards,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow"
<bowing74@earthlink.net>
I may be able to check next week depending on huricane Frances.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi,
>
> If anyone is within easy reach of March ARB., I wonder whether they
could
> do me
> a big favor next time they visit.
>
> It is home to one of the three Models 520 supplied to the US Army,
being
> serial
> number 21, Army serial 52-6218 ("0-26218").
>
> I would like to know whether this aircraft has a trim tab on the
left-hand
> elevator only, or if there is one on each elevator.
>
> If it is possible to take a photograph of the elevators, both in the
same
> shot,
> then each elevator separately, that would be a bonus.
>
> Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the
> right-hand elevator,
> but I would dearly like conformation of that.
>
> I would get over myself this weekend, but......................
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry C.
> UK CommanderLand Rep.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Glad to hear it Jimmy
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez@bppr.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "James Rodriguez Colom"
> <jamesrodriguez@bppr.com>
>
> Bilbo,
>
> It just missed us down here. I hope it's the same for you.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jimmy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow"
> <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> I may be able to check next week depending on huricane Frances.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
>> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If anyone is within easy reach of March ARB., I wonder whether they
> could
>> do me
>> a big favor next time they visit.
>>
>> It is home to one of the three Models 520 supplied to the US Army,
> being
>> serial
>> number 21, Army serial 52-6218 ("0-26218").
>>
>> I would like to know whether this aircraft has a trim tab on the
> left-hand
>> elevator only, or if there is one on each elevator.
>>
>> If it is possible to take a photograph of the elevators, both in the
> same
>> shot,
>> then each elevator separately, that would be a bonus.
>>
>> Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the
>> right-hand elevator,
>> but I would dearly like conformation of that.
>>
>> I would get over myself this weekend, but......................
>>
>> Very Best Regards,
>> Barry C.
>> UK CommanderLand Rep.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12@bellsouth.net>
Barry,
Interesting question! My 520 only had one tab and I don't think it ever had
an auto-pilot installed. (At least I never found the remnants of one. It
will nice to discover the answer.
Trust you are doing well in 'Jolly Old".
It appears monetary considerations are going to preclude my attendance at
the Fly-In this year. Seems I'll be getting my check ride and recurrent
training on those dates, so tip a few for me.
Crunk
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| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Guys,
Thanks to all for the replies.
The question arose because it seems that the early Aero Design & Engineering
Company Model 520 had electric trim systems, using Army surplus actuators, but
only had enough for the first 18 aircraft, with a few held back for spares.
However, it seems that the 18 they used may not necessarily have been on the
first 18 built! All the others went to a new-design system with trim tabs on
both elevators.
The figure of 18 has been quoted after many mists of time have descended and
could possibly have been 20 or 21.
Three Models 520 were supplied to the U.S. Army, s/ns 17, 21 & 23. But, s/n 21
does not seem to have a trim tab on the right-hand elevator, so I doubt if the
other two did. At least, it doesn't appear to have one now.
Chris - yours was s/n 93, so should have had the tabs on each elevator when
built.
Crunk - yours was s/n 39, so should also have had the same tabs. Of course, much
could have happened to the metal work over 50 years, but it is intriguing that
you say it only had the one tab!
A can of worms, or a barrel of snakes?
So, if anyone stumbles across an old 520, PLEASE, check the tabs! All reports
gratefully received.
I think there are a few 520 owners subscribed to this list, so if can report
back, I'll be grateful.
Looking forward to seeing a whole bunch of old friends at the Fly-In!
Kindest Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12@bellsouth.net>
|
| Barry,
| Interesting question! My 520 only had one tab and I don't think it ever had
| an auto-pilot installed. (At least I never found the remnants of one. It
| will nice to discover the answer.
| Trust you are doing well in 'Jolly Old".
| It appears monetary considerations are going to preclude my attendance at
| the Fly-In this year. Seems I'll be getting my check ride and recurrent
| training on those dates, so tip a few for me.
| Crunk
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber@vegasfc.com>
Wanted:
Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he can
fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his head
(extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while). Must
make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received it.
Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
- No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
- Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
troubleshooting skills.
- If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects than
you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
- Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
said you'd call).
If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above (regardless
of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with one
more shop!
Thanks,
Brock Lorber
N400CH
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| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Brock,
If you can't find one please sell me the plane.
Tom Fisher
604-649-9320
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber@vegasfc.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
<blorber@vegasfc.com>
>
> Wanted:
>
> Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
> Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he can
> fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his head
> (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
Must
> make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received it.
> Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
>
> - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> troubleshooting skills.
> - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
than
> you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> said you'd call).
>
>
> If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above (regardless
> of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with one
> more shop!
>
> Thanks,
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber@vegasfc.com>
All right. Come pick it up! I'll leave the keys in it!
Thanks for the laugh! I needed it.
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> Brock,
> If you can't find one please sell me the plane.
> Tom Fisher
> 604-649-9320
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber@vegasfc.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
> <blorber@vegasfc.com>
> >
> > Wanted:
> >
> > Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> > that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
> > Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he
can
> > fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his
head
> > (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> Must
> > make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> > Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received
it.
> > Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
> >
> > - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> > maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> > - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> > troubleshooting skills.
> > - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> than
> > you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> > - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> > and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> > said you'd call).
> >
> >
> > If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above
(regardless
> > of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with
one
> > more shop!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brock Lorber
> > N400CH
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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0.00 WHY_WAIT BODY: What are you waiting for
0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
Does anyone have a spare Wulfsberg WT-200 Comm radio?
Phil
Phil Stubbs
br549phil@mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Are you sure Orlando isn't too far away?
bilob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber@vegasfc.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
> <blorber@vegasfc.com>
>
> Wanted:
>
> Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
> Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he can
> fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his head
> (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> Must
> make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received it.
> Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
>
> - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> troubleshooting skills.
> - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> than
> you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> said you'd call).
>
>
> If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above (regardless
> of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with one
> more shop!
>
> Thanks,
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber@vegasfc.com>
Let's see:
Round-trip, last minute ticket: $700
Hotel: $80/night
Per Diem: ~ $50/day
Tools: $0 (if I don't have them, they don't exist)
Shop Rate: wash
Parts: wash
Fuel to get to my hangar: $0 (vs. $500 to get to my most recent mechanic)
So, labor + parts + $830 to $960 and job gets done right, or labor + parts
+ $630 to $760 and job doesn't get done. No, I don't think Orlando is too
far away if the guy fits the job description!
Brock
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> Are you sure Orlando isn't too far away?
>
> bilob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber@vegasfc.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
> > <blorber@vegasfc.com>
> >
> > Wanted:
> >
> > Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> > that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
> > Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he
can
> > fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his
head
> > (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> > Must
> > make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> > Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received
it.
> > Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
> >
> > - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> > maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> > - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> > troubleshooting skills.
> > - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> > than
> > you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> > - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> > and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> > said you'd call).
> >
> >
> > If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above
(regardless
> > of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with
one
> > more shop!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brock Lorber
> > N400CH
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 02-Sep-04 18:32:18 Pacific Daylight Time,
blorber@vegasfc.com writes:
> No, I don't think Orlando is too far away if the guy fits the job
> description!
>
I think the idea was to let Frances go to work on your airplane ...
Brock,
I tried to call the phone number you gave me when you were shopping for
N400CH and it's not in service. Give me a call. home: 702-307-8208, cell:
702-496-9112 (and no heavy breathing at 03:00 you guys). Am going to be flying
for
the next 6 days but we'll discuss the unique nature of maintenance on a Mr RPM
FLP.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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