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1. 10:03 AM - New product announcement: affordable VG's (Land Shorter)
2. 11:03 AM - Re: New product announcement: affordable VG's (CloudCraft@aol.com)
3. 12:29 PM - Re: New product announcement: affordable VG's (Bill Bow)
4. 02:10 PM - Re: New product announcement: affordable VG's (Jim Addington)
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| Subject: | New product announcement: affordable VG's |
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Land Shorter <landshorter2@yahoo.com>
Hey folks,
I double checked and Matt Dralle's earlier post says it's OK to post about new
aviation products as long as the message doesn't come off as having a "flavor"
of "traditional spam". Don't worry I'm not going to try to sell you anything
that supposedly makes any of your body parts larger (or smaller) and this product
is directly aviation related :) I'm just an airplane builder, owner, pilot,
and aviation nut who wants to tell you where you can find more information about
a great new product.
I've been selling kits of vortex generators (VG's) for only $95 and my customers are telling me they really like the performance gains they're seeing. VG's are great for reducing stall speeds and allow you to land slower, shorter, and safer. I invite you to check out my site at www.landshorter.com and see what you think. My VG's can be quickly installed for testing using removable double-stick tape and come with a 100% money-back guarantee so why not try them out on your plane? You'll be really glad you did :)
Thanks and let's keep 'em flying!
Joa Harrison
The VG Guy
www.landshorter.com
1-877-272-1414 (toll free)
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| Subject: | Re: New product announcement: affordable VG's |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
I may be in a grumpy mood, having to do with dumping my personal weekend
plans to jet several sets of golf clubs and their operators all over the place,
but ...
... as someone who has begged for research on vortex generators for the
Commanders for over 10 years, I'm a bit put off by the notion one can buy a bunch
of thingies and stick them on their airplane (especially a multi engine
airplane) and go test fly.
A quote from Boundary Layer Research's web site: "
> The layout of our VGs is determined for each aircraft through extensive
> flight testing and substantial supporting engineering studies and reports. Each
> of our kits is certified by the FAA with an STC for that model aircraft."
Around 1993 I brought an AC-680FP to Charles White of Microaerodynamics
(Anacortes, WA) to evaluate the Commander for VGs -- I had a client who operated
off an extremely short strip.
His assessment was that "the wing is as good as it gets" but that he thought
Vmc could be eliminated by placing VGs on the vertical stabililzier, or, on
the leading edge of the rudder -- with lots of testing to be done.
In this business (run by an bunch of Boeing engineers) the VG placement is
modeled, then test flown with a fully flight test instrumented and tufted
aircraft.
The bottom line was the bottom line -- there wasn't the fleet numbers to
justify the R&D costs for the Commanders.
I still would like to see VGs explored for the Commanders, but it's not
something I'd ask any of my friends to experiment with. Jeeeeezzzz I'm getting
conservative, aren't I?
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: New product announcement: affordable VG's |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
You never get something(STC) for nothing($95.00). It's the difference
between chicken s**t and chicken salad.
It didn't blow away.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New product announcement: affordable VG's
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> I may be in a grumpy mood, having to do with dumping my personal weekend
> plans to jet several sets of golf clubs and their operators all over the
> place,
> but ...
>
> ... as someone who has begged for research on vortex generators for the
> Commanders for over 10 years, I'm a bit put off by the notion one can buy
> a bunch
> of thingies and stick them on their airplane (especially a multi engine
> airplane) and go test fly.
>
>
> A quote from Boundary Layer Research's web site: "
>> The layout of our VGs is determined for each aircraft through extensive
>> flight testing and substantial supporting engineering studies and
>> reports. Each
>> of our kits is certified by the FAA with an STC for that model aircraft."
>
> Around 1993 I brought an AC-680FP to Charles White of Microaerodynamics
> (Anacortes, WA) to evaluate the Commander for VGs -- I had a client who
> operated
> off an extremely short strip.
>
> His assessment was that "the wing is as good as it gets" but that he
> thought
> Vmc could be eliminated by placing VGs on the vertical stabililzier, or,
> on
> the leading edge of the rudder -- with lots of testing to be done.
>
> In this business (run by an bunch of Boeing engineers) the VG placement is
> modeled, then test flown with a fully flight test instrumented and tufted
> aircraft.
>
> The bottom line was the bottom line -- there wasn't the fleet numbers to
> justify the R&D costs for the Commanders.
>
> I still would like to see VGs explored for the Commanders, but it's not
> something I'd ask any of my friends to experiment with. Jeeeeezzzz I'm
> getting
> conservative, aren't I?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New product announcement: affordable VG's |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Day isn't over yet.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New product announcement: affordable VG's
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
You never get something(STC) for nothing($95.00). It's the difference
between chicken s**t and chicken salad.
It didn't blow away.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New product announcement: affordable VG's
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> I may be in a grumpy mood, having to do with dumping my personal weekend
> plans to jet several sets of golf clubs and their operators all over the
> place,
> but ...
>
> ... as someone who has begged for research on vortex generators for the
> Commanders for over 10 years, I'm a bit put off by the notion one can buy
> a bunch
> of thingies and stick them on their airplane (especially a multi engine
> airplane) and go test fly.
>
>
> A quote from Boundary Layer Research's web site: "
>> The layout of our VGs is determined for each aircraft through extensive
>> flight testing and substantial supporting engineering studies and
>> reports. Each
>> of our kits is certified by the FAA with an STC for that model aircraft."
>
> Around 1993 I brought an AC-680FP to Charles White of Microaerodynamics
> (Anacortes, WA) to evaluate the Commander for VGs -- I had a client who
> operated
> off an extremely short strip.
>
> His assessment was that "the wing is as good as it gets" but that he
> thought
> Vmc could be eliminated by placing VGs on the vertical stabililzier, or,
> on
> the leading edge of the rudder -- with lots of testing to be done.
>
> In this business (run by an bunch of Boeing engineers) the VG placement is
> modeled, then test flown with a fully flight test instrumented and tufted
> aircraft.
>
> The bottom line was the bottom line -- there wasn't the fleet numbers to
> justify the R&D costs for the Commanders.
>
> I still would like to see VGs explored for the Commanders, but it's not
> something I'd ask any of my friends to experiment with. Jeeeeezzzz I'm
> getting
> conservative, aren't I?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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