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1. 07:13 AM - Exhaust pipes 680F (Ricardo Otaola)
2. 07:23 AM - Re: Exhaust pipes 680F (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
3. 08:00 AM - Re: Exhaust pipes 680F (Bill Bow)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: Exhaust pipes 680F (Bill Bow)
5. 08:34 AM - Re: Exhaust pipes 680F (Jim Addington)
6. 08:48 AM - Re: Exhaust pipes 680F (William Boelte)
7. 01:24 PM - Re: Exhaust pipes 680F (Bill Bow)
8. 01:48 PM - Re: March ARB., Riverside (Alan Kucheck)
9. 03:09 PM - Re: March ARB., Riverside (Barry Collman)
10. 07:23 PM - Re: Anyone hear anything about this one? (BertBerry1@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Exhaust pipes 680F |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
Hi everyone:
I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
Thanks
Ricardo Otaola
YV-10P
AC-680F
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipes 680F |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
ro, TRY COMMANDER AERO, MIAMISBURG, OH OR COMMANDER SERVICES, STOCKTON, CA.
MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Ricardo Otaola
Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca@telcel.netve>
Hi everyone:
I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
Thanks
Ricardo Otaola
YV-10P
AC-680F
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipes 680F |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Ricardo,
Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can not
find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent one
to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo Otaola"
> <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
>
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
> and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
> guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
>
> These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
>
> Thanks
>
> Ricardo Otaola
> YV-10P
> AC-680F
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipes 680F |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I should have added the pipes that were on my 500A had been repaired before.
They had the cracks, and breaks welded back up. THAT METHOD DOES NOT WORK.
Don't waste your time. and most of all don't risk you life with that method.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> Ricardo,
>
> Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
> LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can
> not
> find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent
> one
> to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo Otaola"
>> <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
>> and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
>> guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
>>
>> These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ricardo Otaola
>> YV-10P
>> AC-680F
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Exhaust pipes 680F |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Bilbo, What did they charge.
Jim A
N444BD
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I should have added the pipes that were on my 500A had been repaired before.
They had the cracks, and breaks welded back up. THAT METHOD DOES NOT WORK.
Don't waste your time. and most of all don't risk you life with that method.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> Ricardo,
>
> Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
> LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can
> not
> find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent
> one
> to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo Otaola"
>> <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
>> and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
>> guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
>>
>> These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ricardo Otaola
>> YV-10P
>> AC-680F
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Exhaust pipes 680F |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "William Boelte" <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
I received good service and an excellent product from Aircraft Exhaust
Systems; New Autumn Estates Road; Jumping Branch, WV 25969;
304-466-1724;
I spoke to Larry Harman.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo
Otaola
Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo Otaola"
<otayca@telcel.net.ve>
Hi everyone:
I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time
around
and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
Thanks
Ricardo Otaola
YV-10P
AC-680F
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipes 680F |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
$300.00 for what ever I sent. Three head pipes $300.00(total for all three)
One tail pipe .......you guessed it $300.00.
These people bought out the Jumpin Branch company that was well known.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> <jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> Bilbo, What did they charge.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> I should have added the pipes that were on my 500A had been repaired
> before.
> They had the cracks, and breaks welded back up. THAT METHOD DOES NOT
> WORK.
> Don't waste your time. and most of all don't risk you life with that
> method.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Ricardo,
>>
>> Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
>> LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can
>> not
>> find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent
>> one
>> to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
>>
>> bilbo
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
>> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>>
>>
>>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo Otaola"
>>> <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone:
>>>
>>> I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time
>>> around
>>> and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
>>> guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
>>>
>>> These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ricardo Otaola
>>> YV-10P
>>> AC-680F
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | March ARB., Riverside |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@hotmail.com>
Barry:
Photos from March ARB, here you go:
Plaque:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_1_LOW_RES.JPG
Fuselage
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_2_LOW_RES.JPG
Left elevator, with trib tab:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_3_LOW_RES.JPG
Right elevator, no trim tab:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_4_LOW_RES.JPG
Full empennage:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_5_LOW_RES.JPG
Close-up of trim tab:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_6_LOW_RES.JPG
All the above photos in a zip file:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/yu-9A_LOW_RES.ZIP
The same, but high res, larger file:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/yu-9A_HIGH_RES.ZIP
ak
>
> Barry Collman wrote:
> > Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the
> > right-hand elevator, but I would dearly like conformation of that.
>
> I'm really curious to hear the answer to this. My old 520
> had tabs on both elevators, but the right one was disabled
> and had a skin segment riveted over it. After considerably
> study of manuals, many phone calls, and much head scratching,
> we never did determine how that came to be.
>
> One plausible story I heard was that when a certain autopilot
> was installed, one trim tab was disabled to assure that the
> pilot could over-ride a runaway trim condition. Never was
> able to confirm that or determine if my bird had that autopilot.
>
> chris
>
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| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Alan,
Sincere thanks for the photos, which have clearly established that no trim tab
exists on the right-hand elevator.
It is therefore extremely likely that the other two U.S. Army ones (s/ns 17 &
23) were configured in the same way, and therefore we are not looking at the
"first 18" having the electric actuator system. More likely it was 18 out of the
first 24 or so.
Thanks again Alan, and I hope you enjoyed your day out!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@hotmail.com>
|
|
| Barry:
|
| Photos from March ARB, here you go:
|
| ak
| >
| > Barry Collman wrote:
| > > Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the
| > > right-hand elevator, but I would dearly like conformation of that.
| >
| > I'm really curious to hear the answer to this. My old 520
| > had tabs on both elevators, but the right one was disabled
| > and had a skin segment riveted over it. After considerably
| > study of manuals, many phone calls, and much head scratching,
| > we never did determine how that came to be.
| >
| > One plausible story I heard was that when a certain autopilot
| > was installed, one trim tab was disabled to assure that the
| > pilot could over-ride a runaway trim condition. Never was
| > able to confirm that or determine if my bird had that autopilot.
| >
| > chris
| >
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone hear anything about this one? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
N67TC has multiple records
Assigned/Registered Aircraft
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 11233 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer NameAERO COMMANDER Certificate Issue Date03/11/2002
Model690A StatusValid
Type AircraftFixed Wing Multi-EngineType EngineTurbo-Prop
Pending Number ChangeNone DealerNo
Date Change AuthorizedNone Mode S Code52155413
MFR Year1975 Fractional OwnerNO
Registered Owner
Name AIRCRAFT GUARANTY TITLE CORP TRUSTEE
Street515 N SAM HOUSTON PKWY E STE 305
CityHOUSTON StateTEXAS Zip Code 77060-4023
CountyHARRIS
CountryUNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer None ClassificationStandard
Engine Model None CategoryNormal
A/W Date01/24/1975
Other Owner Names
None
Temporary Certificate
Certificate Number T021575 Issue Date03/11/2002
Expiration Date04/10/2002
Fuel Modifications
None Owner Type: CorporationOwner Name: AIRCRAFT GUARANTY TITLE CORP TRUSTEE
City: HOUSTONState: TX
Zip: 77060-4023Country: US
Fractional Owner:
Aircraft Type: Fixed wing multi engineModel Year: 1975
Airworthiness Class: StandardTransponder Code: 52155413
Serial Number: 11233Aircraft Model: 0141722
Last Action: 2002-03-11Cert Issue: 2002-03-11
Aircraft Mfg: AERO COMMANDERAircraft Model: 690A
Category: LandAmateur: No
Engines: 2Seats: 11
Weight: CLASS 1Cruising Speed: 241
Engine Mfg.: Engine Model:
Fuel Consumed: 0.00Horsepower/Thrust:
Service Difficulty Report (SDR) Information
No Service Difficulty Reports Found
NTSB Accident Information
No NTSB Accident Reports Found
FAA Accident/Incident Information
#FAA1 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1986-02-22
Narrative: DIVERTED AFTER 2 MISSED APPROACHES. FIRST OFFICER INCAPACITATED
DUE TO STOMACH CRAMPS AND LEFT THE COCKPIT.
#FAA2 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1986-07-15
Narrative: AIRCRAFT NOSE GEAR DEPARTED RUNWAY ON ROLLOUT. STEERING PROBLEM
DEFERRED ON PREVIOUS FLIGHT.
#FAA3 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1987-11-30
Narrative: LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL ON LANDING ROLLOUT. VEERED OFF RUNWAY.
STOPPED FIFTY FEET OFF RUNWAY.
#FAA4 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1988-01-08
Narrative: LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL ON LANDING ROLLOUT. STRUCK SNOWBANK ALONG
SIDE OF THE RUNWAY.
#FAA5 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1989-04-21
Narrative: RIGHT ENGINE HAD FLUCTUATING FUEL PRESSURE. SECURED AND RETURNED.
FUEL PUMP SEAL HAD FAILED.
#FAA6 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1992-02-11
Narrative: LEFT MAIN GEAR GREEN LIGHT DID NOT ILLUMINATE. MADE GO AROUND.
ADJUSTED LIGHTS. LANDED SAFELY.
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