---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/06/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:46 AM - 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (Barry Collman) 2. 05:19 AM - Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner (Avtec2) 3. 05:20 AM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 4. 05:22 AM - Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 5. 07:07 AM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (Barry Collman) 6. 07:29 AM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 7. 07:53 AM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (Barry Collman) 8. 08:30 AM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (Moe) 9. 08:48 AM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (Barry Collman) 10. 08:56 AM - Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner (Tom Fisher) 11. 09:15 AM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 12. 09:41 AM - Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner (nico css) 13. 09:49 AM - Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner (Tom Fisher) 14. 09:59 AM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (Moe) 15. 12:17 PM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 16. 12:17 PM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 17. 02:28 PM - Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) (Barry Collman) 18. 07:01 PM - Re: 680 FLP (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:59 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi CommanderLand, I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW installed. We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length following such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the Shrikes, for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be eternally grateful: Model involved & s/n Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing) I imagine you'll need access to................ A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground A tape measure .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!! If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then wait in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll also then know when they are all in. I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help will be very much appreciated. Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:29 AM PST US From: "Avtec2" Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner --> Commander-List message posted by: "Avtec2" Tom N47RR is finished, For sale asking $350,000.00, Make offer Located in Titusville FL Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > I am trying to buy an aircraft that matches your specs, any ideas? > Tom F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Mansfield" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfield" >> >> Hello good folks, >> >> I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now. > The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws > which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having > difficulty > finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations. >> >> I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The > aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props > are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that > for > you tomorrow. >> >> Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop > spinner. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Mansfield >> N91ES >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:07 AM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:19:34 -0600 --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > Hi CommanderLand, I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW installed. We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length following such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the Shrikes, for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be eternally grateful: Model involved & s/n Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing) I imagine you'll need access to................ A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground A tape measure .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!! If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then wait in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll also then know when they are all in. I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help will be very much appreciated. Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:04 AM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:21:58 -0600 --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" RM, CALL GARY KROMER AT COMMANDER AERO FOR SPINNER. MASON 2001M 888-881-5580 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > I am trying to buy an aircraft that matches your specs, any ideas? Tom F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Mansfield" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfield" > > > Hello good folks, > > I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now. The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having difficulty finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations. > > I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that for you tomorrow. > > Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop spinner. > > Thanks, > > Ray Mansfield > N91ES > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:03 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Mason, A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason. So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage length. Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the additional 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Barry Collman | To: commander-list@matronics.com | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > | | Hi CommanderLand, | | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW | installed. | | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length following | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the Shrikes, | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. | | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be | eternally grateful: | | Model involved & s/n | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing) | | I imagine you'll need access to................ | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground | A tape measure | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!! | | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then wait | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll also | then know when they are all in. | | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help will | be very much appreciated. | | Very Best Regards, | Barry | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:12 AM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:28:04 -0600 --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > Hi Mason, A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason. So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage length. Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the additional 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Barry Collman> | To: commander-list@matronics.com> | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" >> | | Hi CommanderLand, | | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW | installed. | | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length following | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the Shrikes, | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. | | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be | eternally grateful: | | Model involved & s/n | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing) | | I imagine you'll need access to................ | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground | A tape measure | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!! | | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then wait | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll also | then know when they are all in. | | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help will | be very much appreciated. | | Very Best Regards, | Barry | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:13 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Yeah, but more fun doing it the circuitous route! People stopping by to ask what you're doing. To ask what the chalk marks are for. Possibilities to amuse them are endless! BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | | BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS. MASON | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Barry Collman | To: commander-list@matronics.com | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > | | Hi Mason, | | A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason. | | So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage length. | Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the additional | 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model. | | Very Best Regards, | Barry | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | To: > | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | | | | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? | | ----- Original Message ----- | | From: Barry Collman> | | To: commander-list@matronics.com> | | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM | | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | >> | | | | Hi CommanderLand, | | | | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW | | installed. | | | | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length | following | | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the | Shrikes, | | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. | | | | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be | | eternally grateful: | | | | Model involved & s/n | | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) | | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing) | | | | I imagine you'll need access to................ | | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) | | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood | | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground | | A tape measure | | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!! | | | | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then | wait | | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll | also | | then know when they are all in. | | | | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help | will | | be very much appreciated. | | | | Very Best Regards, | | Barry | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:25 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular 680F(p). Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS. MASON > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barry Collman > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > > Hi Mason, > > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason. > > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage length. > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the additional > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model. > > Very Best Regards, > Barry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > > > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > | > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: Barry Collman> > | To: commander-list@matronics.com> > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > | > | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > >> > | > | Hi CommanderLand, > | > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW > | installed. > | > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length > following > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the > Shrikes, > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. > | > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be > | eternally grateful: > | > | Model involved & s/n > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing) > | > | I imagine you'll need access to................ > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground > | A tape measure > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!! > | > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then > wait > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll > also > | then know when they are all in. > | > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help > will > | be very much appreciated. > | > | Very Best Regards, > | Barry > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:39 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Moe, I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one! If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of 'belt & braces' approach to one Model! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" | | But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone | else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular | 680F(p). | | Moe | N680RR | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | To: | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | > | > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS. | MASON | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: Barry Collman | > To: commander-list@matronics.com | > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | > | > | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > | > | > Hi Mason, | > | > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason. | > | > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage | length. | > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the | additional | > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model. | > | > Very Best Regards, | > Barry | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | > To: > | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | > | > | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | > | > | | > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? | > | ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: Barry | Collman> | > | To: | commander-list@matronics.com> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM | > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | > | | > | | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > | >> | > | | > | Hi CommanderLand, | > | | > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC | SA585SW | > | installed. | > | | > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length | > following | > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to | the | > Shrikes, | > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. | > | | > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, | I'll be | > | eternally grateful: | > | | > | Model involved & s/n | > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) | > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light | housing) | > | | > | I imagine you'll need access to................ | > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) | > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the | wood | > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground | > | A tape measure | > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler | method!! | > | | > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I | can then | > wait | > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time | permits. I'll | > also | > | then know when they are all in. | > | | > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your | help | > will | > | be very much appreciated. | > | | > | Very Best Regards, | > | Barry | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | > | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:09 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Sorry Harry a little pricey, but I'm sure it's worth it however I am stretching myself at $300,000. Tom F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avtec2" Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Avtec2" > > Tom N47RR is finished, For sale asking $350,000.00, Make offer > Located in Titusville FL > Harry > 321 267-3141 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fisher" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > > > > I am trying to buy an aircraft that matches your specs, any ideas? > > Tom F > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Mansfield" > > To: > > Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner > > > > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfield" > >> > >> Hello good folks, > >> > >> I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now. > > The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws > > which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having > > difficulty > > finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations. > >> > >> I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The > > aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props > > are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that > > for > > you tomorrow. > >> > >> Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop > > spinner. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Ray Mansfield > >> N91ES > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:22 AM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:14:46 -0600 --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" MM, LETS BOTH DO AND SEE WHAT DIFFERENCE IS. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular 680F(p). Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS. MASON > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barry Collman> > To: commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" >> > > Hi Mason, > > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason. > > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage length. > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the additional > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model. > > Very Best Regards, > Barry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" >> > To: >> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > > > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" >> > | > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: Barry Collman ain.co.uk>> > | To: commander-list@matronics.com ander-list@matronics.com>> > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > | > | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>> > | > | Hi CommanderLand, > | > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW > | installed. > | > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length > following > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the > Shrikes, > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. > | > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be > | eternally grateful: > | > | Model involved & s/n > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing) > | > | I imagine you'll need access to................ > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground > | A tape measure > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!! > | > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then > wait > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll > also > | then know when they are all in. > | > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help > will > | be very much appreciated. > | > | Very Best Regards, > | Barry > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:52 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Hi Ray, Are you happy with the RPM conversion on the FLP? How does it perform? If you could write a few mission stories, that would be very helpful. Was the pressurization comfortable, fuel burn, AUW take-off performance, cruise comfort, noise levels, etc. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Mansfield" Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfield" > > Hello good folks, > > I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now. The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having difficulty finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations. > > I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that for you tomorrow. > > Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop spinner. > > Thanks, > > Ray Mansfield > N91ES > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:12 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" I would be very interested in this information as well. I have been trying to buy a 680FLP with the Mr.RPM conversion for a long time now and have yet to see any performance figures for this configuration. Tom F ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > Hi Ray, > > Are you happy with the RPM conversion on the FLP? > How does it perform? > If you could write a few mission stories, that would be very helpful. Was > the pressurization comfortable, fuel burn, AUW take-off performance, cruise > comfort, noise levels, etc. > > Thanks > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Mansfield" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfield" > > > > Hello good folks, > > > > I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now. > The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws > which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having difficulty > finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations. > > > > I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The > aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props > are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that for > you tomorrow. > > > > Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop > spinner. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray Mansfield > > N91ES > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:23 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Barry, This will be very interesting. This may not matter, however N680RR does not have the stinger tail cone on the back. As near as I can tell it is stock. Best regards, Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > Hi Moe, > > I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one! > > If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of 'belt > & braces' approach to one Model! > > Very Best Regards, > Barry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) > > BOARDS. commander-list@matronics.com > > Collman>> Length to data, tail) I your > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:18 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:16:15 -0600 --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" BC, 37'2 1/2" X 49'6 1/2" NOSE TO TAIL X WINGLET TO WINGLET. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > Hi Moe, I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one! If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of 'belt & braces' approach to one Model! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > | | But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone | else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular | 680F(p). | | Moe | N680RR | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | To: > | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | > | > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS. | MASON | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: Barry Collman> | > To: commander-list@matronics.com> | > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | > | > | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | >> | > | > Hi Mason, | > | > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason. | > | > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage | length. | > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the | additional | > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model. | > | > Very Best Regards, | > Barry | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" >> | > To: >> | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | > | > | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | >> | > | | > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? | > | ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: Barry | Collman | ain.co.uk>> | > | To: | commander-list@matronics.com | ander-list@matronics.com>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM | > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | > | | > | | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > | | to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>> | > | | > | Hi CommanderLand, | > | | > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC | SA585SW | > | installed. | > | | > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length | > following | > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to | the | > Shrikes, | > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. | > | | > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, | I'll be | > | eternally grateful: | > | | > | Model involved & s/n | > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) | > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light | housing) | > | | > | I imagine you'll need access to................ | > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) | > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the | wood | > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground | > | A tape measure | > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler | method!! | > | | > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I | can then | > wait | > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time | permits. I'll | > also | > | then know when they are all in. | > | | > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your | help | > will | > | be very much appreciated. | > | | > | Very Best Regards, | > | Barry | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | > | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:18 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:16:58 -0600 --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" BC, WE DID IT BY THE STRING AND HEAVY NUT METHOD. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > Hi Moe, I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one! If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of 'belt & braces' approach to one Model! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > | | But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone | else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular | 680F(p). | | Moe | N680RR | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | To: > | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | > | > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS. | MASON | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: Barry Collman> | > To: commander-list@matronics.com> | > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | > | > | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | >> | > | > Hi Mason, | > | > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason. | > | > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage | length. | > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the | additional | > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model. | > | > Very Best Regards, | > Barry | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" >> | > To: >> | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | > | > | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | >> | > | | > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? | > | ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: Barry | Collman | ain.co.uk>> | > | To: | commander-list@matronics.com | ander-list@matronics.com>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM | > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | > | | > | | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > | | to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>> | > | | > | Hi CommanderLand, | > | | > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC | SA585SW | > | installed. | > | | > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length | > following | > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to | the | > Shrikes, | > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. | > | | > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, | I'll be | > | eternally grateful: | > | | > | Model involved & s/n | > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) | > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light | housing) | > | | > | I imagine you'll need access to................ | > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) | > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the | wood | > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground | > | A tape measure | > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler | method!! | > | | > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I | can then | > wait | > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time | permits. I'll | > also | > | then know when they are all in. | > | | > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your | help | > will | > | be very much appreciated. | > | | > | Very Best Regards, | > | Barry | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | > | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:57 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Mason, The string & heavy nut method sounds just fine and I really didn't expect such a rapid result. I am really grateful and will now get back to some more 'number-crunching'. No cheating, Moe, on Saturday. If your figures are the same............I'll be suspicious. Yours should be very slightly longer due to expansion in the California sun! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | | BC, 37'2 1/2" X 49'6 1/2" NOSE TO TAIL X WINGLET TO WINGLET. MASON | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Barry Collman | To: commander-list@matronics.com | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:50 AM | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > | | Hi Moe, | | I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one! | | If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of 'belt | & braces' approach to one Model! | | Very Best Regards, | Barry | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Moe" > | To: > | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > | | | | But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone | | else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular | | 680F(p). | | | | Moe | | N680RR | | ----- Original Message ----- | | From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | | To: > | | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | | | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > | | > | | > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS. | | MASON | | > ----- Original Message ----- | | > From: Barry Collman> | | > To: commander-list@matronics.com> | | > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM | | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | > | | > | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | >> | | > | | > Hi Mason, | | > | | > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason. | | > | | > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage | | length. | | > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the | | additional | | > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model. | | > | | > Very Best Regards, | | > Barry | | > | | > | | > ----- Original Message ----- | | > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" >> | | > To: >> | | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | > | | > | | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | | >> | | > | | | > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M? | | > | ----- Original Message ----- | | > | From: Barry | | Collman | | ain.co.uk>> | | > | To: | | commander-list@matronics.com | | ander-list@matronics.com>> | | > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM | | > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) | | > | | | > | | | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | > | | | | to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>> | | > | | | > | Hi CommanderLand, | | > | | | > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC | | SA585SW | | > | installed. | | > | | | > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length | | > following | | > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to | | the | | > Shrikes, | | > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose. | | > | | | > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, | | I'll be | | > | eternally grateful: | | > | | | > | Model involved & s/n | | > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage) | | > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light | | housing) | | > | | | > | I imagine you'll need access to................ | | > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail) | | > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the | | wood | | > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground | | > | A tape measure | | > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler | | method!! | | > | | | > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I | | can then | | > wait | | > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time | | permits. I'll | | > also | | > | then know when they are all in. | | > | | | > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your | | help | | > will | | > | be very much appreciated. | | > | | | > | Very Best Regards, | | > | Barry | | > | | | > | | | > | | | > | | | > | | | > | | | > | | | > | | > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:30 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: Re: 680 FLP --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Hi Ray. Thanks for the info. I copied the list on your response. I hope you don't mind. I am not that physics savvy that I would know how you could have horsepower driving a prop and the power is lost somewhere between the crankshaft and the air outside. Perhaps some drag in the blades eats away at the horse-meat. The 500+ fpm performance would scare me because you would have only one option when you lose an engine at that stage of the flight. That's what kept me from investing in the A models and caused a market for the Miller conversions. Someday, someone will take up the Orenda banner again and make a killing. (http://www.epi-eng.com/CNV-ac685.htm) The reason I asked about the pressurization, is that the 680FP that I flew would dump its pressure every now and again, making the cabin extremely uncomfortable and I was told back then it would cost a fortune to have the cabin sealed. Apparently the rudder pedals are frequent culprits. To have a 10K cabin at 13K is only useful at about that altitude. Lower and you won't need it, higher and you would need to supply O2. There surely seems to be a hole in that bucket, dear Liza. Anyway, I was always under the impression that the "L" or rather the 685 was most suited to a turbine and particularly the -10 conversion and I wonder if someone could give us a comparative write-up on that. Is the -10 really the home-sick angel they say it is. Also, if someone could say what different horsepower the other turbines are equipped with, that would be very nice. What's the difference between the 680FL and the 685? Attaching the pic was a nice touch, Ray. These planes are just a thing of beauty, aren't they? Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Mansfield To: nico@cybersuperstore.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: 680 FLP Hello Nico, I've only been flying the 680 FLP since last April. I like the plane, it's the first Aero Commander I've flown, but I've fallen in love with it. To answer your questions: 1. The Mr. RPM Conversion - The 680 FLP is not a jump off the ground, climb like a rocket aircraft. After talking to numerous folks I found out that the engine power (2-IO720s, 400 BHP each) is not efficiently used because the props are smaller than needed for that power. I'm told they had to keep the prop blades down to a certain diameter to keep the noise level low...sooooo, lots of power but it's not used well. (If there's a 4 bladed prop conversion I'd like to know about it) The other thing with the Mr. RPM conversion relates to maintenance. They've got a lot of stuff squeezed into the engine nacelles and it's hard to work on. Two turbo's per engine and the 8 cylinders per engine take up lots of space. (Turbo's are manually operated) 2. Performance a. On a hot day with a load it easily takes 3,000' feet of runway and climb down around 500-750 fpm at 110 kts. b. At 12,000' I get about 200 kts TAS, with 72% power at 42 GPH. c. Pressurization on this plane needs work. Right now at 13,000' I can only get a 10,000' cabin. Does seem to work comfortably, no passenger complaints. d. AC is a completely separate system from pressurization in this modification. It's the same system as in the turbo models. Works good for the passengers, not a lot of air flow to the pilot. Pray that the AC compressor motor doesn't break, $5,400 to replace it. 3. The plane is very comfortable and that's what my owner likes about it. It's also very stable and I love the feel of the plane when flying it. I don't know about noise levels at cruise I've always got a headset on, but I know I can hear the owner talking in the back sometimes even with my headset on. It is noisy on takeoff, but it gets better in cruise. 4. I haven't flown any other Aero Commander models so I have no comparisons to make between models. I just know I really like the plane. I also know it's pretty maintenance intensive and expensive. Parts are frequently hard to find. This particular plane is old, built in 1964. Attached is a picture. Let me know if you have more questions. Ray Mansfield