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1. 05:37 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (James Rodriguez Colom)
2. 06:21 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (Moe)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
4. 07:12 AM - Re: 3 bladed conversion (Jim Addington)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (KenWHyde@aol.com)
6. 07:37 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (CloudCraft@aol.com)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
8. 10:39 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (John Vormbaum)
9. 10:44 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (John Vormbaum)
10. 07:29 PM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
11. 07:46 PM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (Phil Stubbs)
12. 07:54 PM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (John Vormbaum)
13. 09:37 PM - Fw: Thank you... (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
14. 09:55 PM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (Alan Kucheck)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez@bppr.com>
Hi John,
Got pictures of that new paint job? Happy new year to you and the
family.
Regards,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum"
<john@vormbaum.com>
Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering
valve.
Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the
airplane
well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
Again, just my humble opinion.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
<wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Ken,
> I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
fly
> that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
piston
> Commander I would certainly like to know.
> Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
> rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
> much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
> >
> >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
uses
a
> >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
Skydrol
> >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> >Ken
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
John,
It appears that you are on to something here. After flying a 680F(p) for
about 500 hours I have never taxied anywhere that I really didn't want to go
to.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
>
> Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
> Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering valve.
> Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the airplane
> well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
>
> The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
>
> Again, just my humble opinion.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
> <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> > Ken,
> > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
fly
> > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
piston
> > Commander I would certainly like to know.
> > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
> > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
> > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> >
> >
> > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> > >--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
> > >
> > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
uses
> a
> > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
> Skydrol
> > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
John...I agree with you. The MOST difficult challenge for me in
transitioning into my 680F, was learning to taxi. Took a couple of hours of
circling, wiggling, and "trying" to go straight before I finally "got it".
Now, it's second nature. I like the idea of having the instructing pilot
stand on the pedels to lock them in place, so that steering has to be dome
with the tips...good idea.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
John,
It appears that you are on to something here. After flying a 680F(p) for
about 500 hours I have never taxied anywhere that I really didn't want to go
to.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
>
> Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
> Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering valve.
> Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the airplane
> well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
>
> The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
>
> Again, just my humble opinion.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
> <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> > Ken,
> > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
fly
> > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
piston
> > Commander I would certainly like to know.
> > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
> > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
> > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> >
> >
> > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> > >--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
> > >
> > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
uses
> a
> > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
> Skydrol
> > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | 3 bladed conversion |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
There was a counter weight on the other side
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 3 bladed conversion
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
How did they balance it, Jim?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 3 bladed conversion
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> In the class I took years ago on props the instructor said a one blade
prop
> was the most efficient with two next, three next etc. For you young guys
> there was a one blade prop on an early cub.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
> HAMILTON
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 3 bladed conversion
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
> <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Folks,
> I note the comment about cruise speeds 2 v. 3 blades.
> Several friend recently upgraded their C-310A. Manufacturers STC etc. The
> outcome was a disaster, turned out no testing on this model had been done,
> the vibration on takeoff was frightening. After much investigation,
> balancing etc., nothing changed. All of a sudden, the manufacturer decided
> a full refund would be a real good idea, it was an inherent couple that
was
> causing the highly dangerous situation.
> Also, with a later model C-310, the only discernable performance change
was
> a loss of about 4kt IAS in cruise, which worked out at about AU$7500 per
> knot, ripper deal.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 01:57 4/01/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dan Brady" <westwind@hdiss.net>
> >
> >For what it's worth, many years ago I flew just about every old "bath
> >tub" commander made(although at the time they weren't very old). 1
> >comparison I recall was between 2 520s, 1 with 2 blades & 1 with 3
blades.
> >At the time most of our flying involved gravel strips & unimproved
landing
> >sites so the main benefits to us were less prop damage due to more ground
> >clearance, less cabin noise, slightly shorter TO distance & climb
> >performance plus the fact that it was a factory improvement as opposed to
> >an after-market mod. Since the 3 blade upgrade also included an increase
> >of 15hp per engine, the increased TO & climb performance wasn't due just
> >to the 3 blades......plus the 2 bladder even with less hp got slightly
> >better cruise speeds. Fast forward to 16 years ago when we got our
present
> >"straight" commander with 0540 lycs we looked into upgrading to 3 blade
> >Black-Mac conversions & were assured that we could get approval for this
> >conversion but after getting the cost estimate we !
> >decided not to pursue it further so I do not know the FAA's position. I
> >did have a customer who had it done to his 250 Comanche and was pleased
as
> >punch with it due mainly to the increased ground clearance. I hope this
is
> >of some help to you.......Dan Brady the desert duck.
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
Thanks Gordon,
I have been in touch with Aero Air but the response was ..no STC for 5605
system. My question is does it work? Trying to find someone who has it. Everyone
who has flown my airplane says they have never flown one this touchy. We
found the right brake (Cleveland's) was getting 150psi more than the left. That
corrected and two overhauled power brake values later, it is 100% better. But
the whole point of this, it would be nice to share flying the Commander with
others who do not have time in the airplane but ground handling is a draw
back. Seems the Cleveland 199-122 kit adds so much more braking than the
original. Operated a 520 years ago with Goodyear's and taxi was never a problem.
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 10-Jan-05 07:16:26 Pacific Standard Time, KenWHyde@aol.com
writes:
> Seems the Cleveland 199-122 kit adds so much more braking than the
> original.
Ken,
And that is exactly why the STC was developed -- the powerful brakes made
steering "touchy" because the smallest application of steering beyond nose wheel
steering locked up a wheel.
All those opinions on how to develop finess aside, Aero Air doesn't know
their own STC. Go back to them and ask them to put an old guy on the phone=20or
to
research their STC 1685 for "Easy Brakes" that covers Models 680T,V,W,F,FL,FLP
681,685,690,A,B,C,D,695,A.
I'm sure you can make the case that other than the 680 T, V and W, the rest
are MIL H5606 airplanes.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:28:53 -0600
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
DITTO, MASON 25 HOURS
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From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
John,
It appears that you are on to something here. After flying a 680F(p) for
about 500 hours I have never taxied anywhere that I really didn't want to go
to.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com<mailto:john@vormbaum.com>>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com<mailto:john@vormbaum.com>>
>
> Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
> Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering valve.
> Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the airplane
> well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
>
> The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
>
> Again, just my humble opinion.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au<mailto:wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
> <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au<mailto:wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>>
> >
> > Ken,
> > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
fly
> > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
piston
> > Commander I would certainly like to know.
> > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
> > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
> > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> >
> >
> > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> > >--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com<mailto:KenWHyde@aol.com>
> > >
> > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
uses
> a
> > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
> Skydrol
> > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE
> > W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet
> Services
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| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Not to mention, I get a HUGE kick out of having my friends, pilots and
non-pilots alike, try to taxi my airplane on the ground. It's always good
for a few laughs...
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
>
> DITTO, MASON 25 HOURS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
<moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
>
> John,
>
> It appears that you are on to something here. After flying a 680F(p)
for
> about 500 hours I have never taxied anywhere that I really didn't want
to go
> to.
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com<mailto:john@vormbaum.com>>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum"
<john@vormbaum.com<mailto:john@vormbaum.com>>
> >
> > Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets
us
> > Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering
valve.
> > Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the
airplane
> > well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
> >
> > The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent
problem.
> >
> > Again, just my humble opinion.
> >
> > /J
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "W J R HAMILTON"
<wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au<mailto:wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>>
> > To:
<commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
> > <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au<mailto:wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>>
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you
don't
> fly
> > > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
> piston
> > > Commander I would certainly like to know.
> > > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field
with
> the
> > > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked
the
> idea
> > > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bill Hamilton.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> > > >--> Commander-List message posted by:
KenWHyde@aol.com<mailto:KenWHyde@aol.com>
> > > >
> > > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand
it
> uses
> > a
> > > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
> > Skydrol
> > > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> > > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> > > >Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Hi Jimmy,
Happy New Year to you!
I have some not-very-good pictures right now, but I'll certainly take some
better ones and post a link to them when the airplane gets back here. We're
tentatively looking at Thursday to pick the airplane up. Captain Jimbob will
be flying it back for me!
Cheers,
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez@bppr.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "James Rodriguez Colom"
<jamesrodriguez@bppr.com>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Got pictures of that new paint job? Happy new year to you and the
> family.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jimmy
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum"
> <john@vormbaum.com>
>
> Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
> Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering
> valve.
> Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the
> airplane
> well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
>
> The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
>
> Again, just my humble opinion.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
> <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> > Ken,
> > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
> fly
> > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
> piston
> > Commander I would certainly like to know.
> > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
> the
> > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
> idea
> > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> >
> >
> > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> > >--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
> > >
> > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
> uses
> a
> > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
> Skydrol
> > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:16:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
KenWHyde@aol.com writes:
the whole point of this, it would be nice to share flying the Commander with
others who do not have time in the airplane but ground handling is a draw
back. Seems the Cleveland 199-122 kit adds so much more braking than the
original. Operated a 520 years ago with Goodyear's and taxi was never a
problem.
KEN, AND ALL..
I have been following this thread and decided to throw my two
cents in. I have probably flow more different Commanders than about anybody on
the list (Except WCG) and EVERY ONE TAXIS IS DIFFERENTLY. That is not as bad
as it first sounds, but true. There are several issues. First, the Goodyear
brakes on a shot bodied Commander. They were poor when they were new and none
have improved with age. They did however mask an out of rig steering system
and/or poor pilot technique. Because they are mostly ineffectual, most pilots
can, and do, drag the brakes when taxing. The Goodyear's have a nice feel to
them when taxiing if you inadvertently apply some brake as you steer. The
trouble is, you will also be inadvertently wearing down those expensive pucks
and after about 100hr or less (sometimes much less) you need new brakes. This
is simply because you are mistakenly steering with some or mostly brakes.
Same airplane after the installation of a Cleveland, double caliper brake
kit. WOW. Now the owner is now complaining about "twitchy" steering and can
barley taxi the thing. It is not his fault. This is because for the first
time in the airplanes life, it actually has brakes. Now, infact, it has way to
much brake. The double caliper Cleveland kit was parker Hannifin's "one size
fits all" solution to Commander brakes. They are designed to stop a 10,000lb
airplane. They truly are twice the brakes we need. That said, I have taxied
two with the big brakes that were really nice. One was a shrike I delivered
to Alaska, N775JB, the other is John Vornbaums 500B, N353CC. Both airplanes
were set up at Commander Services. All the rest were some where between a
challenge at best and really terrible at worst.
Now, same airplane, with the correct single caliper kit. This airplane
feels just like the Goodyear's when you taxi, almost. You will at first feel a
gentile grab if you carry a little brake, just enough to let you know it is
dragging so you can release a bit of pressure. Why Cleveland stopped sending
this kit for short bodied Commanders is a mystery and I have spent a great deal
of time talking with Cleveland about this.
The good news is that you CAN STILL INSTALL THE CORRECT SINGLE CALIPER
BRAKE ON A SHORT BODIED COMMANDER, YEA!! I have been given permission from
Cleveland to forward paperwork to members allowing this brake to be installed.
It
is still manufactured for the Twin Bonanza airframes and only costs $3000.
Another advantage is that these brakes don't incorporate the external brake pad
return system. These will rub little holes in the upper side of the rear
nacelle on flat nacelled Commanders if not properly adjusted.
So, while I know that the grabbing brakes can be a problem, there are
solutions. I hope this sheds a little light on the subject.
PS the "soft brake" kit does not work. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
I traded Goodyears for the single Clevelands on Jims advice. Steering is a
dream and stopping power is perfectly suited to the 560Fs 7500lbs. Money
well spent.
Phil
> [Original Message]
> From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/10/2005 10:28:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:16:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> KenWHyde@aol.com writes:
> the whole point of this, it would be nice to share flying the Commander
with
> others who do not have time in the airplane but ground handling is a draw
> back. Seems the Cleveland 199-122 kit adds so much more braking than the
> original. Operated a 520 years ago with Goodyear's and taxi was never a
> problem.
> KEN, AND ALL..
>
> I have been following this thread and decided to throw my
two
> cents in. I have probably flow more different Commanders than about
anybody on
> the list (Except WCG) and EVERY ONE TAXIS IS DIFFERENTLY. That is not as
bad
> as it first sounds, but true. There are several issues. First, the
Goodyear
> brakes on a shot bodied Commander. They were poor when they were new and
none
> have improved with age. They did however mask an out of rig steering
system
> and/or poor pilot technique. Because they are mostly ineffectual, most
pilots
> can, and do, drag the brakes when taxing. The Goodyear's have a nice
feel to
> them when taxiing if you inadvertently apply some brake as you steer.
The
> trouble is, you will also be inadvertently wearing down those expensive
pucks
> and after about 100hr or less (sometimes much less) you need new brakes.
This
> is simply because you are mistakenly steering with some or mostly brakes.
> Same airplane after the installation of a Cleveland, double caliper
brake
> kit. WOW. Now the owner is now complaining about "twitchy" steering and
can
> barley taxi the thing. It is not his fault. This is because for the
first
> time in the airplanes life, it actually has brakes. Now, infact, it has
way to
> much brake. The double caliper Cleveland kit was parker Hannifin's "one
size
> fits all" solution to Commander brakes. They are designed to stop a
10,000lb
> airplane. They truly are twice the brakes we need. That said, I have
taxied
> two with the big brakes that were really nice. One was a shrike I
delivered
> to Alaska, N775JB, the other is John Vornbaums 500B, N353CC. Both
airplanes
> were set up at Commander Services. All the rest were some where between
a
> challenge at best and really terrible at worst.
> Now, same airplane, with the correct single caliper kit. This
airplane
> feels just like the Goodyear's when you taxi, almost. You will at first
feel a
> gentile grab if you carry a little brake, just enough to let you know it
is
> dragging so you can release a bit of pressure. Why Cleveland stopped
sending
> this kit for short bodied Commanders is a mystery and I have spent a
great deal
> of time talking with Cleveland about this.
> The good news is that you CAN STILL INSTALL THE CORRECT SINGLE
CALIPER
> BRAKE ON A SHORT BODIED COMMANDER, YEA!! I have been given permission
from
> Cleveland to forward paperwork to members allowing this brake to be
installed. It
> is still manufactured for the Twin Bonanza airframes and only costs
$3000.
> Another advantage is that these brakes don't incorporate the external
brake pad
> return system. These will rub little holes in the upper side of the rear
> nacelle on flat nacelled Commanders if not properly adjusted.
> So, while I know that the grabbing brakes can be a problem, there are
> solutions. I hope this sheds a little light on the subject.
>
> PS the "soft brake" kit does not work. jb
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
The dual-caliper Clevelands are great if you want to land & stop your
Commander in 550 feet. So far, that's all I can tell that the extra caliper
on the "big" Clevelands is good for. Oh, and it gets expensive on tires,
doing that. Guys in the tower think it's pretty cool though, and the King
Airs can't do it!
I'm sure Jimbob can probably do 2 landings in the space it takes me to do
one, though, no matter what brakes he's got!
Incidentally, Jim is right. I've only flown about 7 or 8 different
Commanders, but the ones set up by Commander Services were the only ones
that steer & brake the way they should. Morris is a master when it comes to
steering adjustments.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs"
<br549phil@mindspring.com>
>
> I traded Goodyears for the single Clevelands on Jims advice. Steering is
a
> dream and stopping power is perfectly suited to the 560Fs 7500lbs. Money
> well spent.
> Phil
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 1/10/2005 10:28:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:16:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > KenWHyde@aol.com writes:
> > the whole point of this, it would be nice to share flying the Commander
> with
> > others who do not have time in the airplane but ground handling is a
draw
> > back. Seems the Cleveland 199-122 kit adds so much more braking than
the
> > original. Operated a 520 years ago with Goodyear's and taxi was never a
> > problem.
> > KEN, AND ALL..
> >
> > I have been following this thread and decided to throw my
> two
> > cents in. I have probably flow more different Commanders than about
> anybody on
> > the list (Except WCG) and EVERY ONE TAXIS IS DIFFERENTLY. That is not
as
> bad
> > as it first sounds, but true. There are several issues. First, the
> Goodyear
> > brakes on a shot bodied Commander. They were poor when they were new
and
> none
> > have improved with age. They did however mask an out of rig steering
> system
> > and/or poor pilot technique. Because they are mostly ineffectual, most
> pilots
> > can, and do, drag the brakes when taxing. The Goodyear's have a nice
> feel to
> > them when taxiing if you inadvertently apply some brake as you steer.
> The
> > trouble is, you will also be inadvertently wearing down those expensive
> pucks
> > and after about 100hr or less (sometimes much less) you need new brakes.
> This
> > is simply because you are mistakenly steering with some or mostly
brakes.
> > Same airplane after the installation of a Cleveland, double caliper
> brake
> > kit. WOW. Now the owner is now complaining about "twitchy" steering
and
> can
> > barley taxi the thing. It is not his fault. This is because for the
> first
> > time in the airplanes life, it actually has brakes. Now, infact, it has
> way to
> > much brake. The double caliper Cleveland kit was parker Hannifin's "one
> size
> > fits all" solution to Commander brakes. They are designed to stop a
> 10,000lb
> > airplane. They truly are twice the brakes we need. That said, I have
> taxied
> > two with the big brakes that were really nice. One was a shrike I
> delivered
> > to Alaska, N775JB, the other is John Vornbaums 500B, N353CC. Both
> airplanes
> > were set up at Commander Services. All the rest were some where between
> a
> > challenge at best and really terrible at worst.
> > Now, same airplane, with the correct single caliper kit. This
> airplane
> > feels just like the Goodyear's when you taxi, almost. You will at first
> feel a
> > gentile grab if you carry a little brake, just enough to let you know it
> is
> > dragging so you can release a bit of pressure. Why Cleveland stopped
> sending
> > this kit for short bodied Commanders is a mystery and I have spent a
> great deal
> > of time talking with Cleveland about this.
> > The good news is that you CAN STILL INSTALL THE CORRECT SINGLE
> CALIPER
> > BRAKE ON A SHORT BODIED COMMANDER, YEA!! I have been given permission
> from
> > Cleveland to forward paperwork to members allowing this brake to be
> installed. It
> > is still manufactured for the Twin Bonanza airframes and only costs
> $3000.
> > Another advantage is that these brakes don't incorporate the external
> brake pad
> > return system. These will rub little holes in the upper side of the
rear
> > nacelle on flat nacelled Commanders if not properly adjusted.
> > So, while I know that the grabbing brakes can be a problem, there
are
> > solutions. I hope this sheds a little light on the subject.
> >
> > PS the "soft brake" kit does not work. jb
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
From: skyhawkC-172@comcast.net
Subject: Thank you...
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0
Hey guys,
I have 300 hours in 500-B's...I am not a rich guy but make a better than average
wages and could easily afford a C-172.
However I am in love with the Commander...after doing exhaustive research on the
web and speaking to one gentleman whom claims he went bankrupt trying to rebuild
an old Commander...I still want one of these birds sooner or later.
Do you all know anyone that may have an affordable Commander for sale that doesn't
need to be worked over or in other words a nice clean Commander that will
last a while without the need of anything major?
Or is there someone that knows Commanders may be able to give me a hand in searching
for one?
Thanks guys...
Brent (ANE) 763-717-9721
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0
Hey guys,
I have 300 hours in 500-B's...I am not a rich guy but make a better than average
wages and could easily afford a C-172.
However I am in love with the Commander...after doing exhaustive research on the
web and speaking to one gentleman whom claims he went bankrupt trying to rebuild
an old Commander...I still want one of these birds sooner or later.
Do you all know anyone that may have an affordable Commander for sale that doesn't
need to be worked over or in other words a nice clean Commander that will
last a while without the need of anything major?
Or is there someone that knows Commanders may be able to give me a hand in searching
for one?
Thanks guys...
Brent (ANE)763-717-9721
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0--
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck@borland.com>
Please add my 500A to the list of "fine-steering" machines with dual
Clevelands. I can pirouette and figure-eight and I'm working on my
double Salchows. But I still look funny in those outfits with the
skimpy skirts.
ak
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum [mailto:john@vormbaum.com]
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum"
<john@vormbaum.com>
The dual-caliper Clevelands are great if you want to land & stop your
Commander in 550 feet. So far, that's all I can tell that the extra
caliper
on the "big" Clevelands is good for. Oh, and it gets expensive on tires,
doing that. Guys in the tower think it's pretty cool though, and the
King
Airs can't do it!
I'm sure Jimbob can probably do 2 landings in the space it takes me to
do
one, though, no matter what brakes he's got!
Incidentally, Jim is right. I've only flown about 7 or 8 different
Commanders, but the ones set up by Commander Services were the only ones
that steer & brake the way they should. Morris is a master when it comes
to
steering adjustments.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs"
<br549phil@mindspring.com>
>
> I traded Goodyears for the single Clevelands on Jims advice. Steering
is
a
> dream and stopping power is perfectly suited to the 560Fs 7500lbs.
Money
> well spent.
> Phil
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 1/10/2005 10:28:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:16:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > KenWHyde@aol.com writes:
> > the whole point of this, it would be nice to share flying the
Commander
> with
> > others who do not have time in the airplane but ground handling is a
draw
> > back. Seems the Cleveland 199-122 kit adds so much more braking
than
the
> > original. Operated a 520 years ago with Goodyear's and taxi was
never a
> > problem.
> > KEN, AND ALL..
> >
> > I have been following this thread and decided to throw
my
> two
> > cents in. I have probably flow more different Commanders than about
> anybody on
> > the list (Except WCG) and EVERY ONE TAXIS IS DIFFERENTLY. That is
not
as
> bad
> > as it first sounds, but true. There are several issues. First, the
> Goodyear
> > brakes on a shot bodied Commander. They were poor when they were
new
and
> none
> > have improved with age. They did however mask an out of rig
steering
> system
> > and/or poor pilot technique. Because they are mostly ineffectual,
most
> pilots
> > can, and do, drag the brakes when taxing. The Goodyear's have a
nice
> feel to
> > them when taxiing if you inadvertently apply some brake as you
steer.
> The
> > trouble is, you will also be inadvertently wearing down those
expensive
> pucks
> > and after about 100hr or less (sometimes much less) you need new
brakes.
> This
> > is simply because you are mistakenly steering with some or mostly
brakes.
> > Same airplane after the installation of a Cleveland, double
caliper
> brake
> > kit. WOW. Now the owner is now complaining about "twitchy"
steering
and
> can
> > barley taxi the thing. It is not his fault. This is because for
the
> first
> > time in the airplanes life, it actually has brakes. Now, infact, it
has
> way to
> > much brake. The double caliper Cleveland kit was parker Hannifin's
"one
> size
> > fits all" solution to Commander brakes. They are designed to stop a
> 10,000lb
> > airplane. They truly are twice the brakes we need. That said, I
have
> taxied
> > two with the big brakes that were really nice. One was a shrike I
> delivered
> > to Alaska, N775JB, the other is John Vornbaums 500B, N353CC. Both
> airplanes
> > were set up at Commander Services. All the rest were some where
between
> a
> > challenge at best and really terrible at worst.
> > Now, same airplane, with the correct single caliper kit. This
> airplane
> > feels just like the Goodyear's when you taxi, almost. You will at
first
> feel a
> > gentile grab if you carry a little brake, just enough to let you
know it
> is
> > dragging so you can release a bit of pressure. Why Cleveland stopped
> sending
> > this kit for short bodied Commanders is a mystery and I have spent a
> great deal
> > of time talking with Cleveland about this.
> > The good news is that you CAN STILL INSTALL THE CORRECT SINGLE
> CALIPER
> > BRAKE ON A SHORT BODIED COMMANDER, YEA!! I have been given
permission
> from
> > Cleveland to forward paperwork to members allowing this brake to be
> installed. It
> > is still manufactured for the Twin Bonanza airframes and only costs
> $3000.
> > Another advantage is that these brakes don't incorporate the
external
> brake pad
> > return system. These will rub little holes in the upper side of the
rear
> > nacelle on flat nacelled Commanders if not properly adjusted.
> > So, while I know that the grabbing brakes can be a problem,
there
are
> > solutions. I hope this sheds a little light on the subject.
> >
> > PS the "soft brake" kit does not work. jb
> >
> >
>
>
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