---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/11/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:51 AM - Re: Fw: Thank you... (Jody Pillatzki) 2. 05:33 AM - Re: Fw: Thank you... (Bill Bow) 3. 05:36 AM - Settings for maximum range? (James Rodriguez Colom) 4. 05:52 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (Barry Collman) 5. 05:54 AM - Re: Fw: Thank you... (James Rodriguez Colom) 6. 09:32 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 7. 09:43 AM - Re: Fw: Thank you... (alh1@juno.com) 8. 10:05 AM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (Lowell Girod) 9. 11:13 PM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (W J R HAMILTON) 10. 11:19 PM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (W J R HAMILTON) 11. 11:42 PM - Re: Easy Taxi STC (John Vormbaum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:24 AM PST US From: "Jody Pillatzki" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fwd: Thank you... --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody Pillatzki" Brent These are complex, high performance twins. The old ones no matter how clean always need attention. It may not always be something big. The older ones are getting harder to find parts for. I was talking with a friend of mind over drinks while snowmobiling and discussing my 200$ spent on a couple of belts and injection oil for the weekend just in case bag. We are both airplane and most recreational vehicle owners and we have the same conclusion. Buying toys is but a small part of what it costs to use them. You may be able to afford a 172 but insurance will be at least triple, as well as most maintenance, hangars for a big twin are usually at least double if you can find one the tail will fit into on small fields. Good luck finding one and I hop that you do. They are the most wonderful airplanes to fly. I have a 520 with augmenters, sounds great, short field animal. I love my twin commander, but I came into it with the same mindset. I bought what I thought to be a clean twin commander, and it really is, but I have also had one twenty five thousand dollar annual in the last two years. And I have a list of things that I would "like" to replace at this annual. Jody -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Thank you... --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com From: skyhawkC-172@comcast.net Subject: Thank you... --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0 Hey guys, I have 300 hours in 500-B's...I am not a rich guy but make a better than average wages and could easily afford a C-172. However I am in love with the Commander...after doing exhaustive research on the web and speaking to one gentleman whom claims he went bankrupt trying to rebuild an old Commander...I still want one of these birds sooner or later. Do you all know anyone that may have an affordable Commander for sale that doesn't need to be worked over or in other words a nice clean Commander that will last a while without the need of anything major? Or is there someone that knows Commanders may be able to give me a hand in searching for one? Thanks guys... Brent (ANE) 763-717-9721 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0 Hey guys, I have 300 hours in 500-B's...I am not a rich guy but make a better than average wages and could easily afford a C-172. However I am in love with the Commander...after doing exhaustive research on the web and speaking to one gentleman whom claims he went bankrupt trying to rebuild an old Commander...I still want one of these birds sooner or later. Do you all know anyone that may have an affordable Commander for sale that doesn't need to be worked over or in other words a nice clean Commander that will last a while without the need of anything major? Or is there someone that knows Commanders may be able to give me a hand in searching for one? Thanks guys... Brent (ANE)763-717-9721 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0-- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:29 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: Thank you... --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Well put! I couldn't find the words, but you did. If you can't pee in the tall grass with the big dogs, you gotta stay on the porch. Sorry. Bilbo (I should have stayed on the porch) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jody Pillatzki" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fwd: Thank you... > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody Pillatzki" > > > Brent > These are complex, high performance twins. The old ones no matter > how clean always need attention. It may not always be something big. The > older ones are getting harder to find parts for. I was talking with a > friend > of mind over drinks while snowmobiling and discussing my 200$ spent on a > couple of belts and injection oil for the weekend just in case bag. We are > both airplane and most recreational vehicle owners and we have the same > conclusion. Buying toys is but a small part of what it costs to use them. > You may be able to afford a 172 but insurance will be at least triple, as > well as most maintenance, hangars for a big twin are usually at least > double > if you can find one the tail will fit into on small fields. Good luck > finding one and I hop that you do. They are the most wonderful airplanes > to > fly. I have a 520 with augmenters, sounds great, short field animal. > I love my twin commander, but I came into it with the same mindset. > I bought what I thought to be a clean twin commander, and it really is, > but > I have also had one twenty five thousand dollar annual in the last two > years. And I have a list of things that I would "like" to replace at this > annual. > Jody > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > YOURTCFG@aol.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Thank you... > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > From: skyhawkC-172@comcast.net > To: YourTCFG@aol.com > Subject: Thank you... > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:49:52 +0000 > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0 > > Hey guys, > > I have 300 hours in 500-B's...I am not a rich guy but make a better than > average wages and could easily afford a C-172. > > However I am in love with the Commander...after doing exhaustive research > on > the web and speaking to one gentleman whom claims he went bankrupt trying > to > rebuild an old Commander...I still want one of these birds sooner or > later. > > Do you all know anyone that may have an affordable Commander for sale that > doesn't need to be worked over or in other words a nice clean Commander > that > will last a while without the need of anything major? > > Or is there someone that knows Commanders may be able to give me a hand in > searching for one? > > Thanks guys... > Brent (ANE) 763-717-9721 > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0 > > > Hey guys, > > I have 300 hours in 500-B's...I am not a rich guy but make a better than > average wages and could easily afford a C-172. > > However I am in love with the Commander...after doing exhaustive research > on > the web and speaking to one gentleman whom claims he went bankrupt trying > to > rebuild an old Commander...I still want one of these birds sooner or > later. > > Do you all know anyone that may have an affordable Commander for sale that > doesn't need to be worked over or in other words a nice clean Commander > that > will last a while without the need of anything major? > > Or is there someone that knows Commanders may be able to give me a hand in > searching for one? > > Thanks guys... > Brent (ANE)763-717-9721 > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0-- > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:40 AM PST US From: "James Rodriguez Colom" Subject: Commander-List: Settings for maximum range? 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary --> Commander-List message posted by: "James Rodriguez Colom" Hi Guys, Here's the deal. I'm thinking of going to the Commander University in Fort Lauderdale and would like to fly non-stop from Puerto Rico. We're talking approximately 900 nm, mostly over water. With my usual settings of maximum speed (isn't it great to go fast) there's no way I can make the mainland. I've looked at the manual and a 45% power settting at 10,000 ft. should make it. This translates into a TAS of 147 knots. IAS should be like 120 or so. It's going to feel really slow! Have any of you done max mpg tests? Any ideas beyond what's in the manual. Regards, Jimmy CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This communication and any attachments hereto contain information that may be privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. The information is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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But I still look funny in those outfits with the | skimpy skirts. | | ak | | | -----Original Message----- | From: John Vormbaum [mailto:john@vormbaum.com] | To: commander-list@matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" | | | The dual-caliper Clevelands are great if you want to land & stop your | Commander in 550 feet. So far, that's all I can tell that the extra | caliper | on the "big" Clevelands is good for. Oh, and it gets expensive on tires, | doing that. Guys in the tower think it's pretty cool though, and the | King | Airs can't do it! | | I'm sure Jimbob can probably do 2 landings in the space it takes me to | do | one, though, no matter what brakes he's got! | | Incidentally, Jim is right. I've only flown about 7 or 8 different | Commanders, but the ones set up by Commander Services were the only ones | that steer & brake the way they should. Morris is a master when it comes | to | steering adjustments. | | /J | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Phil Stubbs" | To: ; | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" | | > | > I traded Goodyears for the single Clevelands on Jims advice. Steering | is | a | > dream and stopping power is perfectly suited to the 560Fs 7500lbs. | Money | > well spent. | > Phil | > | > | > > [Original Message] | > > From: | > > To: | > > Date: 1/10/2005 10:28:34 PM | > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC | > > | > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | > > | > > In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:16:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, | > > KenWHyde@aol.com writes: | > > the whole point of this, it would be nice to share flying the | Commander | > with | > > others who do not have time in the airplane but ground handling is a | draw | > > back. Seems the Cleveland 199-122 kit adds so much more braking | than | the | > > original. Operated a 520 years ago with Goodyear's and taxi was | never a | > > problem. | > > KEN, AND ALL.. | > > | > > I have been following this thread and decided to throw | my | > two | > > cents in. I have probably flow more different Commanders than about | > anybody on | > > the list (Except WCG) and EVERY ONE TAXIS IS DIFFERENTLY. That is | not | as | > bad | > > as it first sounds, but true. There are several issues. First, the | > Goodyear | > > brakes on a shot bodied Commander. They were poor when they were | new | and | > none | > > have improved with age. They did however mask an out of rig | steering | > system | > > and/or poor pilot technique. Because they are mostly ineffectual, | most | > pilots | > > can, and do, drag the brakes when taxing. The Goodyear's have a | nice | > feel to | > > them when taxiing if you inadvertently apply some brake as you | steer. | > The | > > trouble is, you will also be inadvertently wearing down those | expensive | > pucks | > > and after about 100hr or less (sometimes much less) you need new | brakes. | > This | > > is simply because you are mistakenly steering with some or mostly | brakes. | > > Same airplane after the installation of a Cleveland, double | caliper | > brake | > > kit. WOW. Now the owner is now complaining about "twitchy" | steering | and | > can | > > barley taxi the thing. It is not his fault. This is because for | the | > first | > > time in the airplanes life, it actually has brakes. Now, infact, it | has | > way to | > > much brake. The double caliper Cleveland kit was parker Hannifin's | "one | > size | > > fits all" solution to Commander brakes. They are designed to stop a | > 10,000lb | > > airplane. They truly are twice the brakes we need. That said, I | have | > taxied | > > two with the big brakes that were really nice. One was a shrike I | > delivered | > > to Alaska, N775JB, the other is John Vornbaums 500B, N353CC. Both | > airplanes | > > were set up at Commander Services. All the rest were some where | between | > a | > > challenge at best and really terrible at worst. | > > Now, same airplane, with the correct single caliper kit. This | > airplane | > > feels just like the Goodyear's when you taxi, almost. You will at | first | > feel a | > > gentile grab if you carry a little brake, just enough to let you | know it | > is | > > dragging so you can release a bit of pressure. Why Cleveland stopped | > sending | > > this kit for short bodied Commanders is a mystery and I have spent a | > great deal | > > of time talking with Cleveland about this. | > > The good news is that you CAN STILL INSTALL THE CORRECT SINGLE | > CALIPER | > > BRAKE ON A SHORT BODIED COMMANDER, YEA!! I have been given | permission | > from | > > Cleveland to forward paperwork to members allowing this brake to be | > installed. It | > > is still manufactured for the Twin Bonanza airframes and only costs | > $3000. | > > Another advantage is that these brakes don't incorporate the | external | > brake pad | > > return system. These will rub little holes in the upper side of the | rear | > > nacelle on flat nacelled Commanders if not properly adjusted. | > > So, while I know that the grabbing brakes can be a problem, | there | are | > > solutions. I hope this sheds a little light on the subject. | > > | > > PS the "soft brake" kit does not work. jb | > > | > > | > | > | > __________ NOD32 1.967 (20050110) Information __________ | > | > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. | > http://www.nod32.com | > | > | > __________ NOD32 1.967 (20050110) Information __________ | > | > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. | > http://www.nod32.com | > | > | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:08 AM PST US From: "James Rodriguez Colom" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fwd: Thank you... --> Commander-List message posted by: "James Rodriguez Colom" Brent, The way I see it is this. These are not $75,000-150,000 airplanes. These are $600,000 airplanes whose initial cost of entry is the smaller number. If you're OK with this, then I think you can live happily with the constant upgrading that these airplanes need. Good luck in your search. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Thank you... --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com From: skyhawkC-172@comcast.net Subject: Thank you... --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0 Hey guys, I have 300 hours in 500-B's...I am not a rich guy but make a better than average wages and could easily afford a C-172. However I am in love with the Commander...after doing exhaustive research on the web and speaking to one gentleman whom claims he went bankrupt trying to rebuild an old Commander...I still want one of these birds sooner or later. Do you all know anyone that may have an affordable Commander for sale that doesn't need to be worked over or in other words a nice clean Commander that will last a while without the need of anything major? Or is there someone that knows Commanders may be able to give me a hand in searching for one? Thanks guys... Brent (ANE) 763-717-9721 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0 Hey guys, I have 300 hours in 500-B's...I am not a rich guy but make a better than average wages and could easily afford a C-172. However I am in love with the Commander...after doing exhaustive research on the web and speaking to one gentleman whom claims he went bankrupt trying to rebuild an old Commander...I still want one of these birds sooner or later. Do you all know anyone that may have an affordable Commander for sale that doesn't need to be worked over or in other words a nice clean Commander that will last a while without the need of anything major? Or is there someone that knows Commanders may be able to give me a hand in searching for one? Thanks guys... Brent (ANE)763-717-9721 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12936_1105393792_0-- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This communication and any attachments hereto contain information that may be privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. The information is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the employee or agent entrusted with the responsibility of delivering the message to the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please delete or destroy all copies and notify the sender immediately. In addition, although precautions have been taken to ensure that the data included herein is free from viruses or other malicious content, we cannot assure that such is indeed the case and disclaim any responsibility attributable thereto. 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Adems, aunque se hayan tomado precauciones para asegurar que los datos que aqu se incluyen estn libre de virus u otro contenido malintencionado, no podemos asegurar que as sea y, por lo tanto, no nos hacemos responsables de cualquier dao atribuible al caso. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:22 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:36:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, Alan.Kucheck@borland.com writes: Please add my 500A to the list of "fine-steering" machines with dual Clevelands. I can pirouette and figure-eight and I'm working on my double Salchows. But I still look funny in those outfits with the skimpy skirts. COOL!! jb ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:11 AM PST US From: "alh1@juno.com" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: Thank you... --> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com" jim schiller in lantana florida has a low time, no corrosion 500 for sale. it has new paint, new interior, low time engines, new fuel cells, new wiring, new hydraulic hoses, etc... and it is everything but inexpensive. if you want cheap annuals for a year or two this is the airplane. jim is one of the best aero commander mechanics in the country and he has worked on them almost exclusively for the last twenty years. if you decide to buy an aero commander twin and want a mechanic to inspect it, he is the man. he can tell you within a few dollars how much to get the aircraft in good condition. his number is 561-262-8155. good luck finding a commannder. they are not as fast but much, much nicer than anything else. women don't want to crawl up on the wing of an aztruck or baron to get into the plane. i tell people with the flaps and gear out it is just a big 152. al hoffman Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:28 AM PST US From: "Lowell Girod" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" I can pirouette and figure-eight and I'm working on my double Salchows. But I still look funny in those outfits with the skimpy skirts. Just something about pilots in tights, kind of takes your breath away. Don ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:09 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON John, I'm inclined to agree, in particular having any control locks in with the engines running, ---- one day------ Murphies law '---- etc, you know the rest. For what it is worth, in light/nil wind, I practiced with the rudder hard over one way, with feet braced against the sidewall/center console, while I got used to the delicacy needed for just taxying. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 15:48 10/01/2005, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" > >Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us >Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering valve. >Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the airplane >well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve. > >The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem. > >Again, just my humble opinion. > >/J >----- Original Message ----- >From: "W J R HAMILTON" >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > > > > Ken, > > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't fly > > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a piston > > Commander I would certainly like to know. > > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with the > > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the idea > > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm. > > > > Cheers, > > Bill Hamilton. > > > > > > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote: > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com > > > > > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it uses >a > > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for >Skydrol > > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system. > > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone! > > >Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > > W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet >Services > > and Warbirds.Net. & . > > This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It > > is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are > > not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of > > this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege > > attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the > > mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, >please > > notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 > > Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.852 (20040828) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.852 (20040828) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:02 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON JB, Clevelands do make them a trifle more touchy, than the original,don't they. Even ( especially) on the T-28 I have to be real careful, it is very easy to flatspot a tyre. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 04:31 12/01/2005, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > >In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:36:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, >Alan.Kucheck@borland.com writes: >Please add my 500A to the list of "fine-steering" machines with dual >Clevelands. I can pirouette and figure-eight and I'm working on my >double Salchows. But I still look funny in those outfits with the >skimpy skirts. >COOL!! jb > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:54 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Just an interesting aside, when I was being trained by John Meredith in ground handling, he showed me that at speeds above about 10 knots you can maintain directional taxi control using the rudder, with no brake or steering input at all. He ended that lesson by saying, "that's why when you go places you see Commander pilots taxiing like their tails are on fire." /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "W J R HAMILTON" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > John, > I'm inclined to agree, in particular having any control locks in with the > engines running, ---- one day------ Murphies law '---- etc, you know the rest. > For what it is worth, in light/nil wind, I practiced with the rudder hard > over one way, with feet braced against the sidewall/center console, while I > got used to the delicacy needed for just taxying. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton. > > > At 15:48 10/01/2005, you wrote: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" > > > >Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us > >Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering valve. > >Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the airplane > >well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve. > > > >The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem. > > > >Again, just my humble opinion. > > > >/J > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "W J R HAMILTON" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > > > > > > > Ken, > > > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't fly > > > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a piston > > > Commander I would certainly like to know. > > > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with the > > > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the idea > > > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Bill Hamilton. > > > > > > > > > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote: > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com > > > > > > > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it uses > >a > > > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for > >Skydrol > > > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system. > > > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone! > > > >Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > > > W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet > >Services > > > and Warbirds.Net. & . > > > This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. 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