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1. 06:40 AM - Moe Mills I need to talk with you. (Kevin Coons)
2. 07:43 AM - Re: N6291B & N401E (COMMANDER560@cs.com)
3. 08:51 AM - s/n:1497-15 (Tom Fisher)
4. 09:17 AM - Re: s/n:1497-15 (Chris Schuermann)
5. 09:17 AM - John's "New" Commander (Larry Wokral)
6. 09:26 AM - Re: s/n:1497-15 (CloudCraft@aol.com)
7. 09:33 AM - Re: She's HOME! (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
8. 09:46 AM - Re: John's "New" Commander (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
9. 11:06 AM - Re: s/n:1497-15 (Chris Schuermann)
10. 12:04 PM - Re: N6291B & N401E (RRamm52@cs.com)
11. 12:05 PM - Re: N6291B & N401E (Barry Collman)
12. 12:08 PM - Re: s/n:1497-15 (Barry Collman)
13. 12:35 PM - Re: s/n:1497-15 (Tom Fisher)
14. 12:41 PM - Re: N6291B & N401E/photo (RRamm52@cs.com)
15. 01:46 PM - Fw: Commander Junkyard (nico css)
16. 03:48 PM - Re: N401E (COMMANDER560@cs.com)
17. 04:11 PM - Re: s/n:1497-15 (John Vormbaum)
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| Subject: | Moe Mills I need to talk with you. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons@cavucompanies.net>
Moe,
I misplaced your cell phone number and I want to give you an update on the
crossing. Private email me if you'd like at kevincoons@cavucompanies.net or
call me at 859-992-6920 to discuss.
Kevin Coons
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Subject: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Steve,
As promised, I've now extracted the history of your Model 500 N6291B and the
Model 720 N401E from my database and have attached them as .XLS files. Both
are
ready to be printed out on 'Letter' format paper.
With regard to the date suffix letters:
"S" - indicates the Bill of Sale date
"A" - indicates the Application for Registration date, where the Bill of
Sale is
undated, or the owner moves to a new location.
Unusually, both these Commanders retained their original ex-factory 'N'
numbers!
With regard to N6291B:
(1) - Does anything in the paperwork or log books throw any light on the
propellers quoted in August 1983? What props were actually on the aircraft
at
that time and when were they actually installed?
(2) - When were the winglets signed-off as being installed?
Kindest Regards,
Barry Collman
Aero Commander historian (UK)
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| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E |
--> Commander-List message posted by: COMMANDER560@cs.com
Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in Lexington,
Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job, a good friend of mine, Audie
Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race horses
during the time I was there 2 and one half years, it was highly polished, with
yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar, it
was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it is
alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Barry, another piece of data for you, the above.......ALL MINE, (well, part
of it is the banks).
Currently registered as C-GISS, delivery in two weeks.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <COMMANDER560@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
> --> Commander-List message posted by: COMMANDER560@cs.com
>
> Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in
Lexington,
> Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job, a good friend of mine,
Audie
> Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race
horses
> during the time I was there 2 and one half years, it was highly polished,
with
> yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar,
it
> was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it
is
> alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>>--> Commander-List message posted by: COMMANDER560@cs.com
>>
>>Melton flew 401E ...it was highly polished
There used to be two absolutely incredible polished Commander 520s
around. Onn was owned by a guy who owned a metal polish company in CA I
think. It has gold trim all over. The other was from arizona if I
remember correctly and had black trim. Anyone seen those birds lately?
Are they owned by TCFG members? On the list?
chris
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| Subject: | John's "New" Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
John,
My daughter goes to school at Cal Poly. While I was still living in Bethel
Island CA, I used to regularly fly into SLO to visit her in my Cardinal RG.
What a wonderful area that it. I've seen your plane on the ramp many times.
I can't wait to see the new version in person on my next visit. Do you have
it hangared now that you have new paint?
Since I sold my Cardinal a couple of months ago, I guess I'll just have to
make the flight in my 500B! Tough life. I now live at my place in Darby
Montana, so it will be a little longer flight. I just (finally) got all the
bugs worked out with the avionics shop in Missoula Montana for all my new
avionics. There are just a couple of items left to work out with the Merlyn
conversion, then I will finally be able to do some real flying. I, too, need
paint and interior. That is why it was fun looking over your photos. That
might have to wait for a couple of years though while I rebuild the airplane
kitty.
Larry Wokral
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05-Feb-05 09:18:44 Pacific Standard Time, cschuerm@cox.net
writes:
> The other was from arizona if I remember correctly and had black trim.
It's been 7+ years, but there was a polished AC-520 with black trim based at
Salinas, California (KSNS) for a while, then it migrated to Watsonville
(KWVI).
I don't get out that way more than once or twice a year now, so don't know if
it's still around.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/2/2005 3:58:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
john@vormbaum.com writes:
n 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the airplane home for me. THANKS
JIM!
You are most welcome!! jb
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| Subject: | John's "New" Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Good morning Commanderland,
When I hear mention of Cal Poly and SLO, I can't resist chiming in. I came
down to SLO in 1967 as a freshman architecture student at Cal Poly...and,
never left. Learned to fly in 1975 at SBP, first airplane - a Commanche
250, and now my wonderful 680F parked at the base of the tower. After 37
years, I still pinch myself to remind me what a great place this is to live
and work.
Anytime you guys are in town, please give me a call to say hello, or leave a
note on my airplane. BTW, we now have 3 Commanders on the field - 2-500B's
and my 680F...oh yes, and a 690A.
Have a great weekend...and happy flying..!!
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry
Wokral
Subject: Commander-List: John's "New" Commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral"
<l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
John,
My daughter goes to school at Cal Poly. While I was still living in Bethel
Island CA, I used to regularly fly into SLO to visit her in my Cardinal RG.
What a wonderful area that it. I've seen your plane on the ramp many times.
I can't wait to see the new version in person on my next visit. Do you have
it hangared now that you have new paint?
Since I sold my Cardinal a couple of months ago, I guess I'll just have to
make the flight in my 500B! Tough life. I now live at my place in Darby
Montana, so it will be a little longer flight. I just (finally) got all the
bugs worked out with the avionics shop in Missoula Montana for all my new
avionics. There are just a couple of items left to work out with the Merlyn
conversion, then I will finally be able to do some real flying. I, too, need
paint and interior. That is why it was fun looking over your photos. That
might have to wait for a couple of years though while I rebuild the airplane
kitty.
Larry Wokral
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> It's been 7+ years, but there was a polished AC-520 with black trim based at
> Salinas, California (KSNS) for a while, then it migrated to Watsonville
> (KWVI).
Thanks Keith. At one time (even before you introduced Barry to me), I
was well on my way to collecting a picture of every bathtub Commander.
I've been digging back through my email archives and found a fuzzy
picture of the one I was thinking of. It's N2600B and (as of 7 years
ago), was owned by a Jeff Griffon. He mentioned that he'd moved from CA
to AZ.
The really beautiful one with the 24kt gold trim was N19KD and was at
Corona, CA as of 3 years ago. Owned by a Gregory Barry.
I'm having a lot of fun digging back through the thousands of emails
people have sent me. Gives me a great opportunity to poke a bit of fun
at Mr Vormbaum though.... from 5 years ago to the day: <edited for brevity>
==============
"Chris,
You might remember me, I tried to rescue an old 560A(HC) that was slowly
dissolving on Catalina Island
Incidentally, I'm going to send you some pictures shortly, when the
paint's finished. I finally did purchase a 1962 500-B, s/n 1230. I feel
like a kid on Christmas day....
Best regards,
John
"
====================
Hey John - that paint job took longer than expected??? :-)
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
In a message dated 2/5/2005 9:44:32 AM Central Standard Time,
COMMANDER560@cs.com writes:
> Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in Lexington,
>
> Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job, a good friend of mine,
> Audie
> Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race horses
> during the time I was there 2 and one half years, it was highly polished,
> with
> yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar, it
> was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it is
> alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
Joe,
I applied that paint and polish and interior, and am still on the U.S.
registry as half owner of 401E. Unfortunately, she was parted out in the mid 90's
in
california.....Rob Munro
N6291B
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| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Joe,
I see that N401E was sold to Mr A B Hancock Jr., of Paris, Kentucky on November
19th 1964, so assume this is the 'Bull' Hancock you refer to.
It was last noted in September 1995 with Desert Aircraft Salvage, in Artesia,
New Mexico.
Thanks for the info, which was most welcome. Are you able to recall whether it
had a nose radome with the RCA AVQ-50 radar?
Lastly, I don't suppose you have a photo of t, do you?
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <COMMANDER560@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
| --> Commander-List message posted by: COMMANDER560@cs.com
|
| Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in Lexington,
| Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job. A good friend of mine,
Audie
| Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race horses
| during the time I was there 2 and one half years. It was highly polished, with
| yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar, it
| was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it is
| alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Tom,
Nice one!
I'm so pleased you managed to get what you set out to get some while ago. A
680FLP with the MR. RPM modification.
Well done Sir!
Could it well appear in California next September?
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: s/n:1497-15
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
|
| Barry, another piece of data for you, the above.......ALL MINE, (well, part
| of it is the banks).
| Currently registered as C-GISS, delivery in two weeks.
| Tom F.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <COMMANDER560@cs.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
|
|
| > --> Commander-List message posted by: COMMANDER560@cs.com
| >
| > Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in
| Lexington,
| > Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job, a good friend of mine,
| Audie
| > Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race
| horses
| > during the time I was there 2 and one half years, it was highly polished,
| with
| > yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar,
| it
| > was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it
| is
| > alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
If the $$ support the trip it's a date.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: s/n:1497-15
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Nice one!
>
> I'm so pleased you managed to get what you set out to get some while ago.
A
> 680FLP with the MR. RPM modification.
>
> Well done Sir!
>
> Could it well appear in California next September?
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: s/n:1497-15
>
>
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
part
mine,
polished,
radar,
it
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E/photo |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
In a message dated 2/5/2005 2:05:50 PM Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> Thanks for the info, which was most welcome. Are you able to recall whether
> it
> had a nose radome with the RCA AVQ-50 radar?
>
> Lastly, I don't suppose you have a photo of t, do you?
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Barry
Hi, Barry
When I get back next week, I'll send you a photo of her after I painted her
in Virginia in 1982..........she had the radar nose.
Rob Munro
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| Subject: | Fw: Commander Junkyard |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Can anyone help Peter with this?
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Hawkins" <PeterHawkins@greeneking.co.uk>
Subject: Commander Junkyard
> Dear Nico,
>
> I hope you don't mind me getting in touch but I have been trying to
research
> the crash of Aero Commander N6362U in Greenland on 14/08/1967 and found
your
> email "Commander Junkyard"on the internet. My grandfather Raymond
Hawkins
> was the pilot of N6362U on that day and is still with the aircraft, the
> other members of the crew were rescued.
>
> Have you any information or contacts that could help me understand what
> happened, who the other members of the crew were, the location of the
> aircraft?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Peter Hawkins
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: COMMANDER560@cs.com
Barry, No, I do not have a photo, wish I had one as I was good friends with
Audie Melton, the pilot. He passed a few years ago, the nose had that radome
that had the snout look, forget what they called that one. Talk to you later.
Joe
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
OUch! Yeah, I guess it took a little longer than expected ;-).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: s/n:1497-15
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> > It's been 7+ years, but there was a polished AC-520 with black trim
based at
> > Salinas, California (KSNS) for a while, then it migrated to Watsonville
> > (KWVI).
>
> Thanks Keith. At one time (even before you introduced Barry to me), I
> was well on my way to collecting a picture of every bathtub Commander.
> I've been digging back through my email archives and found a fuzzy
> picture of the one I was thinking of. It's N2600B and (as of 7 years
> ago), was owned by a Jeff Griffon. He mentioned that he'd moved from CA
> to AZ.
>
> The really beautiful one with the 24kt gold trim was N19KD and was at
> Corona, CA as of 3 years ago. Owned by a Gregory Barry.
>
> I'm having a lot of fun digging back through the thousands of emails
> people have sent me. Gives me a great opportunity to poke a bit of fun
> at Mr Vormbaum though.... from 5 years ago to the day: <edited for
brevity>
>
> ==============
> "Chris,
>
> You might remember me, I tried to rescue an old 560A(HC) that was slowly
> dissolving on Catalina Island
>
> Incidentally, I'm going to send you some pictures shortly, when the
> paint's finished. I finally did purchase a 1962 500-B, s/n 1230. I feel
> like a kid on Christmas day....
>
> Best regards,
>
> John
> "
> ====================
>
>
> Hey John - that paint job took longer than expected??? :-)
>
> Chris
>
>
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