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1. 06:22 AM - Re: Fw: Commander Junkyard (Barry Collman)
2. 06:23 AM - Re: N6291B & N401E/photo (Barry Collman)
3. 02:25 PM - Re: Avionics (Larry Wokral)
4. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: Avionics (Bill Bow)
5. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Avionics (Alan Kucheck)
6. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: Avionics (John Vormbaum)
7. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Avionics (Chris Schuermann)
8. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Avionics (alh1@juno.com)
9. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: Avionics (nick)
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Commander Junkyard |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi All,
Peter has contacted me regarding N6362U. The accident report was prepared under
the jurisdiction of the Danish Government and I'm trying to obtain a copy of it
through Air-Britain's Specialist on aviation in that country.
Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Commander Junkyard
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
|
| Can anyone help Peter with this?
| Thanks
| Nico
|
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| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Peter Hawkins" <PeterHawkins@greeneking.co.uk>
| To: <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
| Subject: Commander Junkyard
|
|
| > Dear Nico,
| >
| > I hope you don't mind me getting in touch but I have been trying to
| research
| > the crash of Aero Commander N6362U in Greenland on 14/08/1967 and found
| your
| > email "Commander Junkyard"on the internet. My grandfather Raymond
| Hawkins
| > was the pilot of N6362U on that day and is still with the aircraft, the
| > other members of the crew were rescued.
| >
| > Have you any information or contacts that could help me understand what
| > happened, who the other members of the crew were, the location of the
| > aircraft?
| >
| > Kind Regards,
| >
| > Peter Hawkins
| >
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| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E/photo |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Thanks Rob! I haven't got any photographic coverage of N401E at all, so a copy
will be of great interest.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E/photo
| --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
|
| In a message dated 2/5/2005 2:05:50 PM Central Standard Time,
| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
| > Thanks for the info, which was most welcome. Are you able to recall whether
| > it
| > had a nose radome with the RCA AVQ-50 radar?
| >
| > Lastly, I don't suppose you have a photo of t, do you?
| >
| > Kindest Regards,
| > Barry
| Hi, Barry
| When I get back next week, I'll send you a photo of her after I painted her
| in Virginia in 1982..........she had the radar nose.
| Rob Munro
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"Commander e-mail list" <commander-list@matronics.com>,
"Craig Lundborg" <dltafolk@inreach.com>
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
>Wow Larry,
All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of the
finest examples of a piston commander.
What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was thinking
Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
MFD...>
Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80 (approved
as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn 320
conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo intercom
(with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched or
shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table and
one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as primary
replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available scanning
options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I already
had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the secondary
radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330 are
mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within the
normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required. The
PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the E.I.
dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges are
in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across the
top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an Electro
luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main bus
and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings around
all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and older
DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and trim
indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We also
prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather links
where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to imagine
all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A lot
of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new harness
designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc. as
is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional row
of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance. Because
the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two 70
amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run a
larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
Regulator too.
I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn 320
conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual 115
cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the starboard
side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm broke,
eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for now.
The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to what
the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead panel
and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows. During
the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I previously
had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb. "light
weight" area.
The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with tip
strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered "entertainment
center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the aft
facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm also
considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70 gallons
with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight only
to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This increase
would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital roll
steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to get
back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to rationalize
this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can: with
the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with the
added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of an
Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would be
nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
(cool air has the
capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling of
16,000'. I'm jazzed!
Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was installed,
so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
Larry Wokral
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I've learned to enjoy chicken pot pies and have found a grilled cheese
sandwich is a nice change for about the same price. It all turns into the
same thing anyway.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
<commander-list@matronics.com>; "Craig Lundborg" <dltafolk@inreach.com>
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral"
> <l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
>
>>Wow Larry,
>
> All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of the
> finest examples of a piston commander.
>
> What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was thinking
> Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
> MFD...>
>
> Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
>
> I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
> GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
> flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80
> (approved
> as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn 320
> conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo
> intercom
> (with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched or
> shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
> player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table
> and
> one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
> inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
> Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as
> primary
> replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available
> scanning
> options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I
> already
> had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the
> secondary
> radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330
> are
> mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within the
> normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required.
> The
> PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
> those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
> vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the E.I.
> dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges
> are
> in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across
> the
> top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an Electro
> luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main
> bus
> and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings
> around
> all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
> backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
> copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and older
> DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and
> trim
> indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We also
> prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather
> links
> where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to
> imagine
> all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
>
> There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A
> lot
> of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new harness
> designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
> long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
> custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc. as
> is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
> attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional row
> of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
> wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance. Because
> the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two
> 70
> amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run a
> larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
> Regulator too.
>
> I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn 320
> conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual 115
> cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the
> starboard
> side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm broke,
> eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
>
> The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for now.
> The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to
> what
> the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead
> panel
> and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
> cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
> square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows. During
> the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I
> previously
> had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb. "light
> weight" area.
>
> The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with tip
> strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
> crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered "entertainment
> center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the aft
> facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
> droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
> system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
> good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm
> also
> considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70 gallons
> with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight
> only
> to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This
> increase
> would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
> nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital roll
> steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
>
> Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to get
> back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to rationalize
> this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can: with
> the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with the
> added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of
> an
> Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would
> be
> nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
> cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
> just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
> (cool air has the
> capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling
> of
> 16,000'. I'm jazzed!
>
> Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was installed,
> so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
>
> Larry Wokral
>
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck@borland.com>
Larry:
Can you post [or send] some photos of your new panel? I'm going to be
moving some things around at some point and would like to see what
worked for you.
thanks,
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Wokral [mailto:l.wokral@ix.netcom.com]
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral"
<l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
>Wow Larry,
All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of
the
finest examples of a piston commander.
What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was
thinking
Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
MFD...>
Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80
(approved
as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn
320
conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo
intercom
(with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched
or
shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table
and
one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as
primary
replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available
scanning
options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I
already
had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the
secondary
radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330
are
mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within
the
normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required.
The
PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the
E.I.
dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges
are
in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across
the
top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an
Electro
luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main
bus
and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings
around
all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and
older
DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and
trim
indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We
also
prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather
links
where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to
imagine
all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A
lot
of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new
harness
designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc.
as
is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional
row
of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance.
Because
the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two
70
amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run
a
larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
Regulator too.
I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn
320
conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual
115
cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the
starboard
side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm
broke,
eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for
now.
The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to
what
the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead
panel
and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows.
During
the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I
previously
had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb.
"light
weight" area.
The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with
tip
strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered
"entertainment
center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the
aft
facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm
also
considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70
gallons
with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight
only
to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This
increase
would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital
roll
steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to
get
back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to
rationalize
this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can:
with
the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with
the
added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of
an
Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would
be
nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
(cool air has the
capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling
of
16,000'. I'm jazzed!
Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was
installed,
so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
Larry Wokral
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
The problem is having caviar taste on a grilled cheese diet...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> I've learned to enjoy chicken pot pies and have found a grilled cheese
> sandwich is a nice change for about the same price. It all turns into the
> same thing anyway.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <jdickey@radictech.com>; "Commander e-mail list"
> <commander-list@matronics.com>; "Craig Lundborg" <dltafolk@inreach.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral"
> > <l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
> >
> >>Wow Larry,
> >
> > All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of
the
> > finest examples of a piston commander.
> >
> > What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was
thinking
> > Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
> > MFD...>
> >
> > Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
> >
> > I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
> > GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
> > flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80
> > (approved
> > as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn
320
> > conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo
> > intercom
> > (with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched
or
> > shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
> > player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table
> > and
> > one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
> > inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
> > Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as
> > primary
> > replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available
> > scanning
> > options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I
> > already
> > had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the
> > secondary
> > radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330
> > are
> > mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within
the
> > normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required.
> > The
> > PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
> > those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
> > vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the
E.I.
> > dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges
> > are
> > in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across
> > the
> > top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an
Electro
> > luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main
> > bus
> > and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings
> > around
> > all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
> > backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
> > copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and
older
> > DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and
> > trim
> > indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We
also
> > prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather
> > links
> > where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to
> > imagine
> > all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
> >
> > There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A
> > lot
> > of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new
harness
> > designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
> > long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
> > custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc.
as
> > is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
> > attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional
row
> > of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
> > wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance.
Because
> > the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two
> > 70
> > amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run
a
> > larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
> > Regulator too.
> >
> > I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn
320
> > conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual
115
> > cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the
> > starboard
> > side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm
broke,
> > eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
> >
> > The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for
now.
> > The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to
> > what
> > the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead
> > panel
> > and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
> > cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
> > square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows.
During
> > the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I
> > previously
> > had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb.
"light
> > weight" area.
> >
> > The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with
tip
> > strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
> > crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered
"entertainment
> > center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the
aft
> > facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
> > droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
> > system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
> > good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm
> > also
> > considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70
gallons
> > with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight
> > only
> > to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This
> > increase
> > would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
> > nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital
roll
> > steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
> >
> > Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to
get
> > back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to
rationalize
> > this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can:
with
> > the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with
the
> > added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of
> > an
> > Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would
> > be
> > nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
> > cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
> > just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
> > (cool air has the
> > capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling
> > of
> > 16,000'. I'm jazzed!
> >
> > Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was
installed,
> > so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
> >
> > Larry Wokral
> >
> >
> >
>
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John Vormbaum wrote:
> The problem is having caviar taste on a grilled cheese diet...
I thought was was generally refered to as "being an airplane owner"
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com" <alh1@juno.com>
WITH ALL OF THIS TALK ABOUT NEW PANELS AND NEW RADIOS, I THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE
MY RECENT AVIONICS CHANGE WITH THE GROUP. MY KX-175 HAS NOW REACHED THE POINT
WHERE THE AVIONICS SHOP REFUSES TO LET ME DROP IT OFF FOR REPAIR. I TRIED TO
LEAVE IT ON THE DOORSTEP IN A STRAW BSKET, BUT APPARENTLY THIS HAS BEEN DONE
BEFORE AND THEY REFUSED TO MOVE IT INSIDE.
SINCE I HAVE A GPS, I DECIDED TO REPLACE THE KING NAV COM WITH HALF A RADIO, A
KY 196 (COMM ONLY). I STARTED TO GET A MX-20 WITH A GARMIN 430, BUT THE BANK
WOULD NOT GO 125% ON MY HOUSE SO I WILL HAVE TO WAIT. I THOUGHT ABOUT GETTING
A PART TIME JOB, BUT HESS IS NOT HIRING LATE NIGHT CLERKS AND DANCING IN CLUBS
WITH MEN PUTTING MONEY IN MY WAIST BAND WAS A LITTLE TO DEGRADING, EVEN FOR
ME. (ALTHOUGH MY FAMILY HAS BEEN TELLING EVERYONE THAT WAS MY OCCUPATION FOR
YEARS BECAUSE THEY WERE TO ASHAMED TO LET ANYONE KNOW THERE WAS A LAWYER IN
THE FAMILY)
NOW MY MECHANIC TELLS ME THE REST OF THE RADIO WILL NEED TO BE ADDED TO KEEP FROM
HAVING A BIG HOLE IN THE PANEL. APPARENTLY A KN53 WILL NOW HAVE TO BE PURCHASED
TO FULFILL THIS NEED. IF ANY OF YOU HAPPEN TO SEE A FAT OLD MAN DANCING
IN HIS SPEEDO, REMEMBER, THE MONEY IN THE WASTE BAND IS BEING USED TO FILL THE
PANEL... AL HOFFMAN
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al
this is a one of the funniest emails i have read all week.where are you
based?.Nick N690DB
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com" <alh1@juno.com>
WITH ALL OF THIS TALK ABOUT NEW PANELS AND NEW RADIOS, I THOUGHT I WOULD
SHARE MY RECENT AVIONICS CHANGE WITH THE GROUP. MY KX-175 HAS NOW REACHED
THE POINT WHERE THE AVIONICS SHOP REFUSES TO LET ME DROP IT OFF FOR REPAIR.
I TRIED TO LEAVE IT ON THE DOORSTEP IN A STRAW BSKET, BUT APPARENTLY THIS
HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE AND THEY REFUSED TO MOVE IT INSIDE.
SINCE I HAVE A GPS, I DECIDED TO REPLACE THE KING NAV COM WITH HALF A RADIO,
A KY 196 (COMM ONLY). I STARTED TO GET A MX-20 WITH A GARMIN 430, BUT THE
BANK WOULD NOT GO 125% ON MY HOUSE SO I WILL HAVE TO WAIT. I THOUGHT ABOUT
GETTING A PART TIME JOB, BUT HESS IS NOT HIRING LATE NIGHT CLERKS AND
DANCING IN CLUBS WITH MEN PUTTING MONEY IN MY WAIST BAND WAS A LITTLE TO
DEGRADING, EVEN FOR ME. (ALTHOUGH MY FAMILY HAS BEEN TELLING EVERYONE THAT
WAS MY OCCUPATION FOR YEARS BECAUSE THEY WERE TO ASHAMED TO LET ANYONE KNOW
THERE WAS A LAWYER IN THE FAMILY)
NOW MY MECHANIC TELLS ME THE REST OF THE RADIO WILL NEED TO BE ADDED TO KEEP
FROM HAVING A BIG HOLE IN THE PANEL. APPARENTLY A KN53 WILL NOW HAVE TO BE
PURCHASED TO FULFILL THIS NEED. IF ANY OF YOU HAPPEN TO SEE A FAT OLD MAN
DANCING IN HIS SPEEDO, REMEMBER, THE MONEY IN THE WASTE BAND IS BEING USED
TO FILL THE PANEL... AL HOFFMAN
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