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1. 08:37 AM - Sir Barry photos of 680E (Barry Hancock)
2. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Avionics (James Rodriguez Colom)
3. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Avionics (CloudCraft@aol.com)
4. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Avionics (John Vormbaum)
5. 01:35 PM - Re: Sir Barry photos of 680E (Barry Collman)
6. 04:13 PM - Re: Moe Mills I need to talk with you. (Moe)
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| Subject: | Sir Barry photos of 680E |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Sir Barry,
At the fly-in at HIO a few years ago, you took some air to air photos
of my ship. Do you have any of those that you could email me off list?
Thanks!
Barry
N680E
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez@bppr.com>
Hi Larry,
Can you tell us more about the Merlyn 320 conversion? In the Mirage
installation, those engines were blamed for excessive vibration, oil
consumption and temperatures. How does it behave in the 500B?
Sounds like a great panel. I'm thinking about the MX20 and GNS430
myself. What convinced you to go the 480 route?
Jimmy
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Wokral
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral"
<l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
>Wow Larry,
All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of
the
finest examples of a piston commander.
What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was
thinking
Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
MFD...>
Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80
(approved
as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn
320
conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo
intercom
(with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched
or
shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table
and
one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as
primary
replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available
scanning
options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I
already
had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the
secondary
radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330
are
mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within
the
normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required.
The
PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the
E.I.
dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges
are
in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across
the
top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an
Electro
luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main
bus
and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings
around
all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and
older
DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and
trim
indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We
also
prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather
links
where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to
imagine
all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A
lot
of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new
harness
designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc.
as
is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional
row
of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance.
Because
the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two
70
amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run
a
larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
Regulator too.
I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn
320
conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual
115
cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the
starboard
side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm
broke,
eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for
now.
The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to
what
the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead
panel
and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows.
During
the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I
previously
had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb.
"light
weight" area.
The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with
tip
strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered
"entertainment
center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the
aft
facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm
also
considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70
gallons
with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight
only
to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This
increase
would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital
roll
steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to
get
back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to
rationalize
this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can:
with
the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with
the
added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of
an
Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would
be
nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
(cool air has the
capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling
of
16,000'. I'm jazzed!
Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was
installed,
so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
Larry Wokral
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 06-Feb-05 20:03:09 Pacific Standard Time, alh1@juno.com
writes:
>
> NOW MY MECHANIC TELLS ME THE REST OF THE RADIO WILL NEED TO BE ADDED TO KEEP
> FROM HAVING A BIG HOLE IN THE PANEL.
Very clever of him.
Not that a sheet of flat gray sheet metal would ever be placed where avionics
were missing .... no, better put more avionics there.
Are you pole dancing or lap dancing? You'll earn more lap dancing ... that's
where the money is, here in Las Vegas.
With all this talk of panel-mount nuggets of gold, is it time to review
Commander weight and balance vs. the original design with aft radio racks?
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
What are you saying, Keith? If I put me & 5 new radios in the front, will
the airplane adopt a permanent nose-down attitude?
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 06-Feb-05 20:03:09 Pacific Standard Time, alh1@juno.com
> writes:
>
> >
> > NOW MY MECHANIC TELLS ME THE REST OF THE RADIO WILL NEED TO BE ADDED TO
KEEP
> > FROM HAVING A BIG HOLE IN THE PANEL.
>
> Very clever of him.
>
> Not that a sheet of flat gray sheet metal would ever be placed where
avionics
> were missing .... no, better put more avionics there.
>
> Are you pole dancing or lap dancing? You'll earn more lap dancing ...
that's
> where the money is, here in Las Vegas.
>
> With all this talk of panel-mount nuggets of gold, is it time to review
> Commander weight and balance vs. the original design with aft radio racks?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: Sir Barry photos of 680E |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Barry,
The ones I took were taken on 'ordinary' film. I did scan a couple of the best
ones some while ago, but the quality was not too good.
I'll have another go shortly and get some better-quality shots off to you.
Kindest Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry photos of 680E
| --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
|
| Sir Barry,
|
| At the fly-in at HIO a few years ago, you took some air to air photos
| of my ship. Do you have any of those that you could email me off list?
|
| Thanks!
|
| Barry
| N680E
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| Subject: | Re: Moe Mills I need to talk with you. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Kevin,
Great talking to you. As per our phone con. anytime between about the 10th
of July and the 15th of August will work for me. I am about 99% sure on this
deal. Please advise as soon as practical.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons@cavucompanies.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills I need to talk with you.
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Kevin Coons"
<kevincoons@cavucompanies.net>
>
> Moe,
>
> I misplaced your cell phone number and I want to give you an update on the
> crossing. Private email me if you'd like at kevincoons@cavucompanies.net
or
> call me at 859-992-6920 to discuss.
>
> Kevin Coons
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
> Collman
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> As promised, I've now extracted the history of your Model 500 N6291B and
the
> Model 720 N401E from my database and have attached them as .XLS files.
Both
> are
> ready to be printed out on 'Letter' format paper.
>
> With regard to the date suffix letters:
> "S" - indicates the Bill of Sale date
> "A" - indicates the Application for Registration date, where the Bill of
> Sale is
> undated, or the owner moves to a new location.
>
> Unusually, both these Commanders retained their original ex-factory 'N'
> numbers!
>
> With regard to N6291B:
> (1) - Does anything in the paperwork or log books throw any light on the
> propellers quoted in August 1983? What props were actually on the aircraft
> at
> that time and when were they actually installed?
>
> (2) - When were the winglets signed-off as being installed?
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Barry Collman
> Aero Commander historian (UK)
>
>
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