---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/25/05: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:37 AM - N8467C (Barry Collman) 2. 08:03 AM - Re: N8467C (Moe) 3. 09:33 AM - Re: cleveland brakes on AC560 (Daniel Stewart) 4. 02:21 PM - Re: cleveland brakes on AC560 (RnJThompson@aol.com) 5. 04:20 PM - Re: cleveland brakes on AC560 (W J R HAMILTON) 6. 06:37 PM - Re: cleveland brakes on AC560 (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 7. 06:53 PM - Re: cleveland brakes on AC560 (Daniel Stewart) 8. 07:01 PM - Re: cleveland brakes on AC560 (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 9. 08:28 PM - Re: 680E/500 gross weights (RRamm52@cs.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:14 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: N8467C --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi all, I know I put out this request last year, but thought I'd try again. I have just received a photo of a Speed-Line nacelle Commander, marked as N8467C, which was taken at Fox Field, Lancaster, California on February 8th. This Commander has also been reported a few times over the last couple of years, but it is NOT a current FAA-assigned mark for a Commander. A search shows N8467C was reserved for "Safe Flight 21 Product Team/and-510/Robert D Smith", in Washington, DC. N8467C was the correct mark for 560F-1042-14, before being changed in January 2000, to N211SR. I have the current owner of this Commander as Antelope Valley Community College, of Lancaster, California. So, it seems that the original marks have been applied, but without the necessary FAA auhority. I had thought that the aircraft was perhaps not now airworthy and was in use as a maintenance training aid, but the photo seems to show a very nice-looking Commander indeed, with a Miller nose, forward cabin door and curtains, parked on a ramp. So, if anyone is based near Fox Field, or visits it during the course of their normal travels, I'd be most grateful if they could read the s/n plate to confirm whether or not it is the 560F mentioned above. Thanks! Very Best Regards, Barry C. (UK) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:17 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: N8467C --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Barry, If you do not get a positive reply or any help from one of the other members email me in about three weeks, and I will fly up and check it out. Am going to pick up N680RR late next week at Commander Aeor so flying up will not be a big deal. Regards, Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: N8467C > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > Hi all, > > I know I put out this request last year, but thought I'd try again. > > I have just received a photo of a Speed-Line nacelle Commander, marked as > N8467C, which was taken at Fox Field, Lancaster, California on February 8th. > > This Commander has also been reported a few times over the last couple of years, > but it is NOT a current FAA-assigned mark for a Commander. A search shows N8467C > was reserved for "Safe Flight 21 Product Team/and-510/Robert D Smith", in > Washington, DC. > > N8467C was the correct mark for 560F-1042-14, before being changed in January > 2000, to N211SR. I have the current owner of this Commander as Antelope Valley > Community College, of Lancaster, California. So, it seems that the original > marks have been applied, but without the necessary FAA auhority. > > I had thought that the aircraft was perhaps not now airworthy and was in use as > a maintenance training aid, but the photo seems to show a very nice-looking > Commander indeed, with a Miller nose, forward cabin door and curtains, parked on > a ramp. > > So, if anyone is based near Fox Field, or visits it during the course of their > normal travels, I'd be most grateful if they could read the s/n plate to confirm > whether or not it is the 560F mentioned above. > > Thanks! > > Very Best Regards, > Barry C. (UK) > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:59 AM PST US From: Daniel Stewart Subject: RE: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 --> Commander-List message posted by: Daniel Stewart Who can tell me the Cleveland model number for the single caliper brakes used on the lighter Commanders? Also, any recommendations as to a supplier? Thanks, Dan ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:07 PM PST US From: RnJThompson@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 --> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com Dan The kit you need is #199-74 which is the single four pot caliper. It was replaced a couple of years ago by #199-80 which is the double caliper set up. WAY TOO MUCH BRAKES! I believe the STC numbers that you need to look at are SA 290 GL and SA 303 GL. I believe that JB can arrange for Cleveland to supply the correct paperwork for the kit. It would be best to speak to JB or Morris. Regards Richard VH-CAX ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:24 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Folks, Richard is correct about the big dual caliper brakes, way too much. I have the same on the T-28 as was on ZK-DCF ( 500A) when I bought it. A lightweight foot is needed, much cheaper than flat spotted tires. But the big but is: What is now available Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 09:20 26/02/2005, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com > >Dan > >The kit you need is #199-74 which is the single four pot caliper. It was >replaced a couple of years ago by #199-80 which is the double caliper set >up. WAY >TOO MUCH BRAKES! I believe the STC numbers that you need to look at are SA >290 GL and SA 303 GL. I believe that JB can arrange for Cleveland to >supply the >correct paperwork for the kit. 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Eos do. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:43 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 2/25/2005 9:34:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dstewart7777@yahoo.com writes: Who can tell me the Cleveland model number for the single caliper brakes used on the lighter Commanders? The single caliper brake kit for the short Commander (560A - 680FP) is a 199-88 kit. This is for the Beech 50 series (Twin Bonanza). It is an IDENTICAL kit to the 199-74 kit that was approved some years back, but discontinued (for reasons that are unclear). Cleveland has given me permission to supply all of the paperwork to install to 199-88/199-74 kit on approved shot Commanders. There is no cost for this paperwork to TCFG members, $100.00 for non members. Hope this helps. jb ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:00 PM PST US From: Daniel Stewart Subject: Re: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 --> Commander-List message posted by: Daniel Stewart I think the kicker is "approved commanders" Mine is a straight 560. STC SA290GL is for 560F and STC SA303GL is for 560A/E. Is a field approval my only option? Dan YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote: --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 2/25/2005 9:34:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dstewart7777@yahoo.com writes: Who can tell me the Cleveland model number for the single caliper brakes used on the lighter Commanders? The single caliper brake kit for the short Commander (560A - 680FP) is a 199-88 kit. This is for the Beech 50 series (Twin Bonanza). It is an IDENTICAL kit to the 199-74 kit that was approved some years back, but discontinued (for reasons that are unclear). Cleveland has given me permission to supply all of the paperwork to install to 199-88/199-74 kit on approved shot Commanders. There is no cost for this paperwork to TCFG members, $100.00 for non members. Hope this helps. jb --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:19 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 2/25/2005 6:53:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dstewart7777@yahoo.com writes: I think the kicker is "approved commanders" Mine is a straight 560. STC SA290GL is for 560F and STC SA303GL is for 560A/E. Is a field approval my only option? Yes, you are correct. Sadly there is no approval for the 520/560 airframes. Harry Merritt in FL has had success with a field approval for this installation, but it may not be easy. Sorry. jb ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:22 PM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680E/500 gross weights --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com Hi, all The airframes of the 680E and the 500 seem to be identical. The 500 has a gross weight of 6000 lbs while the 680 E is 7500 lbs.. Is this due to the increase in horsepower alone? Thanks, Rob