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1. 01:17 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (alh1@juno.com)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Photo of 720 alti cruiser/Barry C from Rob (Bill Bow)
3. 04:56 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (Chris Schuermann)
4. 05:15 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (RRamm52@cs.com)
5. 07:20 AM - Re: (Barry Hancock)
6. 07:59 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (Chris Schuermann)
7. 08:48 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (Jim Addington)
8. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: (Jim Addington)
9. 09:15 AM - (Jim Addington)
10. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: (RRamm52@cs.com)
11. 01:07 PM - Collins 108 Flight Director System (KenWHyde@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft conditions |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com" <alh1@juno.com>
chris, i always value your opinion and i read your comments. my question, why
did you choose an aztruck over the commander for your rebuild effort? The commander
is a little slower, but is easier to get into. you had a commander before.
the numbers are almost the same. your response? al hoffman
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| Subject: | Re: Photo of 720 alti cruiser/Barry C from Rob |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
> Buy the very best you can afford to begin with. And then be well educated
> on
> the mechanics of the aircraft and involved in owner maintenance as much as
> possible.
Nice thought but it didn't work for me, no plan is 100%
bilbo
> Regards,
> Rob Munro AC50
>
> In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:07:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> cschuerm@cox.net writes:
>> I love to see classic aircraft purchased and restored by a caring owner,
>> but.... I wrote this about ten years ago and I believe it's still valid.
>> (you might want to just about double all dollar values to get a better
>> idea of todays prices)
>> http://www.aerocommander.com/Documents/things.html
>>
>> By all means, find a good $50k project and give it the TLC is needs to
>> get her back into top condition.... you will have a wonderful
>> airplane... just know that you're going to put a lot into it.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Chris
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft conditions |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
RRamm52@cs.com wrote:
> That is one Aztec I would love to see. Where is she based.........?
> Rob
Rob,
I'm based at Pogue airport - just west of Tulsa, OK.
I don't have any good pics of the engine work online anywhere, but I did
put some pictures of the painting process at:
http://members.cox.net/cschuerm/
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft conditions |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
very good
Rob
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
> Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my
> car the
> other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine
> what it would cost to fill one of those with gas.
>
> Jim A
Yep..."If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it...." Though I
don't imagine a P-47 carries that much more internal fuel than a
Commander. What amazes me is the jets going into places like PSP and
SFO, and paying $4 and $5 a gallon for Jet A....
B
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft conditions |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
alh1@juno.com wrote:
> chris, i always value your opinion and i read your comments. my
> question, why did you choose an aztruck over the commander for your
> rebuild effort?
Al, thank you for the kind words!
All you "old timers" who've known me for the last 10+ years know that I
have this illness that makes me want to have "perfect" airplanes. I
guess the honest answer is that I found it to be virtually impossible to
get an older Commander back into the condition I wanted. I do love the
Commanders, but they're complex in both structure and systems. Parts
are virtually non-existant, and they're very time consuming to maintain
to my standards.
After carefully evaluating all of the older twins, I found the aztruck
to be a good fit for my needs. The Commanders with geared engines do
perform a bit better, but over all, the numbers are pretty close. As
long as I'm being blunt honest, I'm going to admit that I'm no Bob
Hoover. I try very hard to hone my skills, but I'm no zillion-hour
commercial pilot. I find the Commander to be a better flying airplane,
but the Aztec is easier to fly - if you get where I'm going. It's a
more docile airplane and even the weekend flyer like me can operate it
more safely and comfortably (in my opinion).
I love to fly just for the fun of it and can operate the aztec on less
than 18gph total for those $100 burger runs or about 28gph for a good
Bottom line is that it gives me most of the functionality of the
Commander at about half the ownership cost. (but doesn't look anywhere
near as cool!). I can get just about any part I need with a phone call.
Any shop in the country is capable of working on it. Engine parts are
still in production. And....my wife really likes it! :-)
Cheers,
Chris
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| Subject: | Aircraft conditions |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Chris,
What was all that funny looking whit stuff on the ground?
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft conditions
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
RRamm52@cs.com wrote:
> That is one Aztec I would love to see. Where is she based.........?
> Rob
Rob,
I'm based at Pogue airport - just west of Tulsa, OK.
I don't have any good pics of the engine work online anywhere, but I did
put some pictures of the painting process at:
http://members.cox.net/cschuerm/
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
What I don't understand is the airlines, where when fuel goes up one cent
per gallon it cost them a $1,000,000 a day, they cut fares and wonder why
they lose money. Another thing that surprises me is the difference in the
price at the same FBO.
KDFW 100LL--$4.13 and Jet-A is $3.51, at KDAL (Love Field) 100LL-- $3.75 AND
Jet-A $4.17, at FTW 100LL--$3.59 and Jet-A $3.59.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry
Hancock
Subject: Commander-List: Re:
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
> Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my
> car the
> other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine
> what it would cost to fill one of those with gas.
>
> Jim A
Yep..."If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it...." Though I
don't imagine a P-47 carries that much more internal fuel than a
Commander. What amazes me is the jets going into places like PSP and
SFO, and paying $4 and $5 a gallon for Jet A....
B
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Thought some of you might get a bang out of this.
If The Wright Brothers Lived Today
We can but wonder whether, just over a century ago, Orville Wright would
ever have gotten the Flyer off the ground (and where would air
transportation be today?) if, on December 17 1903:
- Wilbur Wright had called in sick.
- And so had all the members of the Gas Can Carriers Union, in furtherance
of a contract dispute.
- Light rain had been falling, requiring a weather cancellation.
- Orville and Wilbur's toolbag had been mistakenly routed to Cleveland.
- Orville's slide-rule had crashed, due to over-programming combined with
bad weather, preventing him for several hours from making essential wind
speed and direction computations.
- A by-stander had been spotted striking a match on his shoe to light his
pipe, leading to an on-site inspection of all shoes and pipes in the area.
- A lady by-stander wearing a head scarf against the cold wind, had been
mistakenly profiled as a suspicious Mideasterner of interest instead of a
Midwesterner; and wrestled to the ground by federal air marshals, causing
further weather-related delays.
- Hordes of federal officials had gathered to declare the flight unsafe and
unapproved.
- Orville had been detained, the field cleared, and the aircraft grounded,
upon discovery that he was attempting to carry a canvas repair kit
containing a sharp implement aboard the machine.
- Creditors had gathered to seize the Flyer - nailing a writ to its mast, so
to speak - declaring the venture bankrupt.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
Even if I could buy one, I don't think I could afford to go anywhere!<g>
Rob
In a message dated 3/14/2005 9:21:53 AM Central Standard Time,
radialpower@cox.net writes:
>
> >Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my
> >car the
> >other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine
> >what it would cost to fill one of those with gas.
> >
> >Jim A
>
> Yep..."If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it...." Though I
> don't imagine a P-47 carries that much more internal fuel than a
> Commander. What amazes me is the jets going into places like PSP and
> SFO, and paying $4 and $5 a gallon for Jet A....
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| Subject: | Collins 108 Flight Director System |
--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
Hey,
Anyone know if the Collins 108 Flight Director System is approved for the
500S? System uses a Collins 329B-7R FDI and Collins 331A-6 HSI.
Thanks,
_kenwhyde@aol.com_ (mailto:kenwhyde@aol.com)
N47AC, #3200, 500S
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