---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/14/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:17 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (alh1@juno.com) 2. 04:24 AM - Re: Photo of 720 alti cruiser/Barry C from Rob (Bill Bow) 3. 04:56 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (Chris Schuermann) 4. 05:15 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (RRamm52@cs.com) 5. 07:20 AM - Re: (Barry Hancock) 6. 07:59 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (Chris Schuermann) 7. 08:48 AM - Re: Aircraft conditions (Jim Addington) 8. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: (Jim Addington) 9. 09:15 AM - (Jim Addington) 10. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: (RRamm52@cs.com) 11. 01:07 PM - Collins 108 Flight Director System (KenWHyde@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:38 AM PST US From: "alh1@juno.com" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft conditions --> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com" chris, i always value your opinion and i read your comments. my question, why did you choose an aztruck over the commander for your rebuild effort? The commander is a little slower, but is easier to get into. you had a commander before. the numbers are almost the same. your response? al hoffman Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:55 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photo of 720 alti cruiser/Barry C from Rob --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" > Buy the very best you can afford to begin with. And then be well educated > on > the mechanics of the aircraft and involved in owner maintenance as much as > possible. Nice thought but it didn't work for me, no plan is 100% bilbo > Regards, > Rob Munro AC50 > > In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:07:55 PM Central Standard Time, > cschuerm@cox.net writes: >> I love to see classic aircraft purchased and restored by a caring owner, >> but.... I wrote this about ten years ago and I believe it's still valid. >> (you might want to just about double all dollar values to get a better >> idea of todays prices) >> http://www.aerocommander.com/Documents/things.html >> >> By all means, find a good $50k project and give it the TLC is needs to >> get her back into top condition.... you will have a wonderful >> airplane... just know that you're going to put a lot into it. >> >> Good luck! >> Chris > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:25 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft conditions --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann RRamm52@cs.com wrote: > That is one Aztec I would love to see. Where is she based.........? > Rob Rob, I'm based at Pogue airport - just west of Tulsa, OK. I don't have any good pics of the engine work online anywhere, but I did put some pictures of the painting process at: http://members.cox.net/cschuerm/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:13 AM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft conditions --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com very good Rob ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:23 AM PST US From: Barry Hancock Subject: Commander-List: Re: --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my > car the > other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine > what it would cost to fill one of those with gas. > > Jim A Yep..."If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it...." Though I don't imagine a P-47 carries that much more internal fuel than a Commander. What amazes me is the jets going into places like PSP and SFO, and paying $4 and $5 a gallon for Jet A.... B ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:59 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft conditions --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann alh1@juno.com wrote: > chris, i always value your opinion and i read your comments. my > question, why did you choose an aztruck over the commander for your > rebuild effort? Al, thank you for the kind words! All you "old timers" who've known me for the last 10+ years know that I have this illness that makes me want to have "perfect" airplanes. I guess the honest answer is that I found it to be virtually impossible to get an older Commander back into the condition I wanted. I do love the Commanders, but they're complex in both structure and systems. Parts are virtually non-existant, and they're very time consuming to maintain to my standards. After carefully evaluating all of the older twins, I found the aztruck to be a good fit for my needs. The Commanders with geared engines do perform a bit better, but over all, the numbers are pretty close. As long as I'm being blunt honest, I'm going to admit that I'm no Bob Hoover. I try very hard to hone my skills, but I'm no zillion-hour commercial pilot. I find the Commander to be a better flying airplane, but the Aztec is easier to fly - if you get where I'm going. It's a more docile airplane and even the weekend flyer like me can operate it more safely and comfortably (in my opinion). I love to fly just for the fun of it and can operate the aztec on less than 18gph total for those $100 burger runs or about 28gph for a good Bottom line is that it gives me most of the functionality of the Commander at about half the ownership cost. (but doesn't look anywhere near as cool!). I can get just about any part I need with a phone call. Any shop in the country is capable of working on it. Engine parts are still in production. And....my wife really likes it! :-) Cheers, Chris ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:36 AM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aircraft conditions --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" Chris, What was all that funny looking whit stuff on the ground? Jim A N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft conditions --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann RRamm52@cs.com wrote: > That is one Aztec I would love to see. Where is she based.........? > Rob Rob, I'm based at Pogue airport - just west of Tulsa, OK. I don't have any good pics of the engine work online anywhere, but I did put some pictures of the painting process at: http://members.cox.net/cschuerm/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:50 AM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" What I don't understand is the airlines, where when fuel goes up one cent per gallon it cost them a $1,000,000 a day, they cut fares and wonder why they lose money. Another thing that surprises me is the difference in the price at the same FBO. KDFW 100LL--$4.13 and Jet-A is $3.51, at KDAL (Love Field) 100LL-- $3.75 AND Jet-A $4.17, at FTW 100LL--$3.59 and Jet-A $3.59. Jim A N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Hancock Subject: Commander-List: Re: --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my > car the > other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine > what it would cost to fill one of those with gas. > > Jim A Yep..."If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it...." Though I don't imagine a P-47 carries that much more internal fuel than a Commander. What amazes me is the jets going into places like PSP and SFO, and paying $4 and $5 a gallon for Jet A.... B ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:42 AM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Commander-List: 1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" Thought some of you might get a bang out of this. If The Wright Brothers Lived Today We can but wonder whether, just over a century ago, Orville Wright would ever have gotten the Flyer off the ground (and where would air transportation be today?) if, on December 17 1903: - Wilbur Wright had called in sick. - And so had all the members of the Gas Can Carriers Union, in furtherance of a contract dispute. - Light rain had been falling, requiring a weather cancellation. - Orville and Wilbur's toolbag had been mistakenly routed to Cleveland. - Orville's slide-rule had crashed, due to over-programming combined with bad weather, preventing him for several hours from making essential wind speed and direction computations. - A by-stander had been spotted striking a match on his shoe to light his pipe, leading to an on-site inspection of all shoes and pipes in the area. - A lady by-stander wearing a head scarf against the cold wind, had been mistakenly profiled as a suspicious Mideasterner of interest instead of a Midwesterner; and wrestled to the ground by federal air marshals, causing further weather-related delays. - Hordes of federal officials had gathered to declare the flight unsafe and unapproved. - Orville had been detained, the field cleared, and the aircraft grounded, upon discovery that he was attempting to carry a canvas repair kit containing a sharp implement aboard the machine. - Creditors had gathered to seize the Flyer - nailing a writ to its mast, so to speak - declaring the venture bankrupt. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:11 AM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com Even if I could buy one, I don't think I could afford to go anywhere! Rob In a message dated 3/14/2005 9:21:53 AM Central Standard Time, radialpower@cox.net writes: > > >Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my > >car the > >other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine > >what it would cost to fill one of those with gas. > > > >Jim A > > Yep..."If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it...." Though I > don't imagine a P-47 carries that much more internal fuel than a > Commander. What amazes me is the jets going into places like PSP and > SFO, and paying $4 and $5 a gallon for Jet A.... ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:10 PM PST US From: KenWHyde@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Collins 108 Flight Director System --> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com Hey, Anyone know if the Collins 108 Flight Director System is approved for the 500S? System uses a Collins 329B-7R FDI and Collins 331A-6 HSI. Thanks, _kenwhyde@aol.com_ (mailto:kenwhyde@aol.com) N47AC, #3200, 500S