---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/28/05: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:49 AM - Re: Single Engine flying (nico css) 2. 04:54 AM - N854BW for sale...an absolute "gem"! (Russell Legg) 3. 04:58 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (Russell Legg) 4. 07:27 AM - Re: Sale of My Baby (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 5. 07:32 AM - Re: Single Engine flying (Moe) 6. 07:41 AM - Re: Single Engine flying (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 7. 07:57 AM - Re: Sale of My Baby (CloudCraft@aol.com) 8. 08:13 AM - Health (Bill Bow) 9. 08:40 AM - Re: Health (Howard Windham) 10. 08:43 AM - Re: Health (CloudCraft@aol.com) 11. 09:08 AM - Re: Single Engine flying (John Vormbaum) 12. 09:29 AM - Re: Health (Bill Bow) 13. 09:45 AM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/27/05 (Dan Farmer) 14. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/27/05 (nico css) 15. 10:37 AM - Park City (Dave) 16. 10:52 AM - Re: Single Engine Flying (Larry Wokral) 17. 11:08 AM - Frozen Rudder Trim (Larry Wokral) 18. 12:25 PM - Re: Park City (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 19. 08:07 PM - Re: Frozen Rudder Trim (RRamm52@cs.com) 20. 08:16 PM - Re: Frozen Rudder Trim (John Vormbaum) 21. 10:43 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 22. 10:58 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:10 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Oh, absolutely, Tom, which is why the Commander came into my life. The other benefits such as getting to move around a bit in the cabin, further accentuated the justification for the extra investment. When I took off with the Twin Comanche fully loaded, I always mentally prepared myself to handle an engine out situation as if the Twin were a single engine plane with limited extended glide properties. I must say, however, I could maintain 8000' on one engine near GW while in cruise. Even that makes it superior to a single engine. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > Your Twin Comanche would not be able to do that at GW, a Commander can! > Tom F. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > > > > > >My first twin, a Twin Comanche, lost power on the left engine on takeoff > one > >day. Knowing to do that when I was lightly loaded and alone on board, made > >it a non-event circling and landing again. My Commander, however, never > >pulled a trick like that on me. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:04 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: N854BW for sale...an absolute "gem"! From: Russell Legg 3.03 DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 Date": commander-list@matronics.com --> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg Hey Folks, Can I say that the very best example of a 560E has just come on the market. N854BW has been purposefully rebuilt to a "gem" specimen over the past ten years and is an absolute credit to the high standards that Buddy has set in its restoration. I am honoured to have had the opportunity to fly this aircraft for several hours immediately after the 2004 fly-in. 54BW performed just flawlessly and was ultimately forgiving to a little bit of wacky treatment that this Ozzie unleashed...too fast and a little short on flap on a narrow runway! The aircraft's retrousse "Chamberlain" nose suitably befits the authority that it commands! This 560E is fitted with a fantastic array of digital support and has a beautifully restored interior...I found it great to rest my head back on my leather seat with its specially embossed period Aero Commander logo. 54BW is a fantastic specimen of the best of "bath-tub" Commanders...as Dick Wartinger commented many times... "the 560E is the most sought after Commander variant...". I have personally viewed the fastidious paperwork that accompanies this aircraft and I am aware of the exhaustive "annual" process that it has been subject to over the past several years. I am convinced that Buddy will overcome this FAA nonsense in the medium term and will find another twin Commander to work his magic on sometime soon...perhaps a turbine... As John has already commented; Buddy has earned "stardom" status within the TCFG and is strictly expected to continue to exercise this status on behalf of the Group. Bud...our thoughts are with you old pal... Cheers Russell On 28/3/05 9:11 AM, "buddy@cyconenterprises.com" wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: buddy@cyconenterprises.com > > Hey guys, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > President > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > The Windham Companies, Inc. > L&B Investors, LLC > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER From: Russell Legg --> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg G'day Folks. Be sure to have a great Easter! Cheers Russell On 28/3/05 3:36 AM, "Jim Addington" wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really sounds > good. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > YOURTCFG@aol.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you > this > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:24 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Hey Buddy, Sorry to hear that you are sending in your medical cert, but glad to kow that you are interested in staying with the group and keeping active in aviaition. I hope that you will join us for the Commander fly-in in California. Looking forward to seeing you. Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of buddy@cyconenterprises.com Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby --> Commander-List message posted by: buddy@cyconenterprises.com Hey guys, It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. H.W."Buddy" Windham President Cycon Enterprises, Inc. Excalibur Contracting, Inc. The Windham Companies, Inc. L&B Investors, LLC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:38 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Larry, Very happy to hear of your successful outcome. With your conversion, does the crankcase breather no longer exit behind the exhaust? I thought that a heated exit, or a "breather notch" was mandatory on all piston engines in aircraft. On another subject, can anyone tell me if most piston Commanders have wet vacuum pumps? My 680F(p) has wet vacuum pumps. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wokral" Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" > > I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. > > While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine > started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a > little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly > dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had > oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked > out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut > it down and feathered the prop. > > So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over > very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get > any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was > there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily > maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the > McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my > Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere > with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold > clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly > decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the > McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to > proceed there. > > I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s > were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or > could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me > and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach > through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single > engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could > find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my > assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must > say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. > He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered > engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the > horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look > for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me > to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through > it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. > > The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off > to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all > great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not > turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. > > A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. > When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from > somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the > problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase > breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to > blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours > cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three > quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. > When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose > seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of > course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and > hub. > > We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew > it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new > storm arrived. > > Reflections: > This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 > conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. > With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel > aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about > 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the > problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The > single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left > engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot > longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally > reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down > prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter > for a look see just to be sure). > > Still need to learn (among other things): > I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was > never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible > moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the > vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside > edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut > somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the > exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after > everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, > and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to > around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want > to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find > out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to > freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at > 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). > > The other question: > Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? > > Larry Wokral, > 500B > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:45 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Single Engine flying --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Hey Larry, Thanks for sharing your adventure...what a great outcome. You obviously handled the situation with a calm and professional manner. We all learn and benefit from hearing about what you experienced and your respnse to an emergency situation. Well done..!! Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Wokral Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut it down and feathered the prop. So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to proceed there. I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and hub. We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new storm arrived. Reflections: This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter for a look see just to be sure). Still need to learn (among other things): I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). The other question: Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? Larry Wokral, 500B ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:07 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com Buddy, I, too, was very saddened by your letter to us. As Mason points out, this is something that hovers over us all the time ... I know that each time I go for my Airman Medical that I wonder if "this is the day my career ends." You've been with the Twin Commander Flight Group for a long time -- I remember chatting with you when I was at the TCFG offices in Blue Springs, MO, around 1997. You have lots to contribute and if it's not too painful of a reminder of what you've had to let go of, please stay onboard. Looks like you have an open seat on a bunch of Commanders so take advantage of that. We all wish you the best and we all want you to stay with us. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:32 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Commander-List: Health --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Hi Buddy, Sorry to hear of your health problems. I have fond memories of our-fly in in South Carolina. Can't you just get a rated "safety pilot" to fly along with you and keep it. bilbo ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:22 AM PST US From: "Howard Windham" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Health --> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham" Already thought about that, but I can't afford a driver for my limo and my airplane. Thanks for you support and I'll see you again in California or one of the next flyin's. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow Subject: Commander-List: Health --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" --> Hi Buddy, Sorry to hear of your health problems. I have fond memories of our-fly in in South Carolina. Can't you just get a rated "safety pilot" to fly along with you and keep it. bilbo ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:38 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Health --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 28-Mar-05 08:41:03 Pacific Standard Time, buddy@cyconenterprises.com writes: Already thought about that, but I can't afford a driver for my limo and my airplane. Certainly you can get a servant with a multi engine rating ... my company has several of us. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:57 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Hey Moe! (nyuk nyuk) From what I understand, Larry's airplane had a Cleveland brake conversion that moved the breather from the aft nacelle (you might have those do-nothing tubes, 3/4" or so in diameter, that exit straight aft at the back of the nacelle....those used to be crankcase breathers) to the bottom of the nacelle because the new calipers would hit the old breather tubes when you folded the gear up (I think). So his breathers exit at the bottom of the nacelle. Got this from Morris, who had a chance to look at Larry's airplane recently. An unusual occurrence in any case, but again, very well handled. Also, I'm sure that ALL Commanders came with wet pumps, mine have them too. I replaced one in '02 or so, but I'm pretty sure the other one is original 1962 vintage. Messy, but they last forever. I wouldn't mind making my airplane an all-electric airplane someday (except for the boots) but that's a ways down the road. /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > Larry, > > Very happy to hear of your successful outcome. > > With your conversion, does the crankcase breather no longer exit behind the > exhaust? I thought that a heated exit, or a "breather notch" was mandatory > on all piston engines in aircraft. > > On another subject, can anyone tell me if most piston Commanders have wet > vacuum pumps? My 680F(p) has wet vacuum pumps. > > Regards, > > Moe Mills > N680RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Wokral" > To: "Commander e-mail list" > Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" > > > > > I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. > > > > While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine > > started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a > > little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly > > dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still > had > > oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked > > out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately > shut > > it down and feathered the prop. > > > > So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over > > very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't > get > > any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I > was > > there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily > > maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the > > McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my > > Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of > nowhere > > with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold > > clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly > > decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into > the > > McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to > > proceed there. > > > > I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s > > were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or > > could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between > me > > and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach > > through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single > > engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could > > find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my > > assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I > must > > say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with > you. > > He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the > feathered > > engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the > > horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to > look > > for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me > > to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through > > it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. > > > > The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed > off > > to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were > all > > great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not > > turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. > > > > A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's > ramp. > > When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from > > somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the > > problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the > crankcase > > breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to > > blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours > > cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three > > quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. > > When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose > > seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of > > course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and > > hub. > > > > We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew > > it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new > > storm arrived. > > > > Reflections: > > This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 > > conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. > > With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel > > aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about > > 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the > > problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The > > single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left > > engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot > > longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin > occasionally > > reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down > > prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter > > for a look see just to be sure). > > > > Still need to learn (among other things): > > I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was > > never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no > visible > > moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes > the > > vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside > > edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut > > somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the > > exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine > after > > everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full > RPM, > > and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to > > around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I > want > > to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find > > out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to > > freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at > > 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). > > > > The other question: > > Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? > > > > Larry Wokral, > > 500B > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:37 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Health --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Get the limo driver a pilots license. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Windham" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Health > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham" > > > Already thought about that, but I can't afford a driver for my limo and my > airplane. Thanks for you support and I'll see you again in California or > one of the next flyin's. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow > To: Commander List > Subject: Commander-List: Health > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" > --> > > Hi Buddy, > > Sorry to hear of your health problems. I have fond memories of our-fly in > in South Carolina. > > Can't you just get a rated "safety pilot" to fly along with you and keep > it. > > bilbo > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:31 AM PST US From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/27/05 --> Commander-List message posted by: Dan Farmer Buddy It saddens me to think of you not flying BUD 1. The two of you are a couple of class acts. Hope to see you at the TC fly ins. Dan Farmer 6369U Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-27.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-27.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/27/05: 16 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:03 AM - HAPPY EASTER (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 2. 09:15 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (Frits Abbing) 3. 09:30 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (RRamm52@cs.com) 4. 10:06 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (Jim Addington) 5. 02:59 PM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (nico css) 6. 03:42 PM - Sale of My Baby (buddy@cyconenterprises.com) 7. 03:55 PM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 (joe@taccapitalgroup.com) 8. 04:05 PM - Single Engine flying (Larry Wokral) 9. 04:15 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (John Vormbaum) 10. 04:17 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (alh1@juno.com) 11. 04:29 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (John Vormbaum) 12. 05:24 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 13. 05:45 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (Jim Addington) 14. 07:31 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (nico css) 15. 07:44 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (nico css) 16. 11:31 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (Tom Fisher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:15 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com HI KIDS. I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you this wonderful day Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that never go dry!! ;-) jb ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:12 AM PST US From: Frits Abbing Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER --> Commander-List message posted by: Frits Abbing There is no fuel in heaven, they all fly on air. And there is no FAA also, so ......!!! Happy Easter. --- YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: > YOURTCFG@aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy > Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate > this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so > that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty > God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal > life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your > salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. > May God bless all of you this > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! > With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:32 AM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com Amen, Jim Happy Easter, All. Rob Munro ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:45 AM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really sounds good. Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com HI KIDS. I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you this wonderful day Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that never go dry!! ;-) jb ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:10 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Thanks for your testimonies, guys. Not only no fuel required, but Aero Commanders that can traverse the stars. Praise God from whom all blessings flow. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really sounds > good. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > YOURTCFG@aol.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you > this > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:30 PM PST US From: buddy@cyconenterprises.com Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby --> Commander-List message posted by: buddy@cyconenterprises.com Hey guys, It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. H.W."Buddy" Windham President Cycon Enterprises, Inc. Excalibur Contracting, Inc. The Windham Companies, Inc. L&B Investors, LLC ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:24 PM PST US From: joe@taccapitalgroup.com Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 --> Commander-List message posted by: joe@taccapitalgroup.com > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 > From: Commander-List Digest Server > > Date: Sat, March 26, 2005 11:55 pm > To: Commander-List Digest List > > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-26.html > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-26.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Commander-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 03/26/05: 1 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:46 AM - Fw: seajean flying boat conversion (Avtec2) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:46:24 AM PST US > From: "Avtec2" > Subject: Commander-List: Fw: seajean flying boat conversion > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Avtec2" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jean > Subject: seajean flying boat conversion > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:56 PM PST US From: "Larry Wokral" Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut it down and feathered the prop. So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to proceed there. I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and hub. We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new storm arrived. Reflections: This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter for a look see just to be sure). Still need to learn (among other things): I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). The other question: Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? Larry Wokral, 500B ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:00 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Buddy, My spirits fell as I read this. You are one of the very few people that I consider the "glue" that holds the flight group together. I can't imagine you not flying.....especially with how great you looked last fly-in and the amount of energy you obviously put forth to get yourself in such good shape. I will console myself with the knowledge that your beautiful 560E will find a new home and stay with the flight group. Whenever & wherever our paths cross, there's always an open seat in my airplane for you and you can take control for any flights. I'd be proud to fly with you! Not to mention, your participation in the group is mandatory. No way are we going to let you outta this gang! Looking forward to seeing you at the next fly-in, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby > --> Commander-List message posted by: buddy@cyconenterprises.com > > Hey guys, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > President > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > The Windham Companies, Inc. > L&B Investors, LLC > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:56 PM PST US From: "alh1@juno.com" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying --> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com" larry, i am always interested in successful single engine flying. try that in a cessna cardinal. before i got my commander, i had an engine failure in my bonanza. i went right away to full power on the second engine, but nothing happened. fortunately for me there was a road available and no injuries, but that was it for me and one engine. glad you made it. al hoffman === message truncated === ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:32 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/27/05 --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Any idea already where in CA the flyin would be? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Farmer" Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/27/05 > --> Commander-List message posted by: Dan Farmer > > Buddy > It saddens me to think of you not flying BUD 1. The two of you are a couple of class acts. Hope to see you at the TC fly ins. > > Dan Farmer > 6369U > > Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-27.html > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-27.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Commander-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 03/27/05: 16 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 09:03 AM - HAPPY EASTER (YOURTCFG@aol.com) > 2. 09:15 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (Frits Abbing) > 3. 09:30 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (RRamm52@cs.com) > 4. 10:06 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (Jim Addington) > 5. 02:59 PM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (nico css) > 6. 03:42 PM - Sale of My Baby (buddy@cyconenterprises.com) > 7. 03:55 PM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 (joe@taccapitalgroup.com) > 8. 04:05 PM - Single Engine flying (Larry Wokral) > 9. 04:15 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (John Vormbaum) > 10. 04:17 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (alh1@juno.com) > 11. 04:29 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (John Vormbaum) > 12. 05:24 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (MASON CHEVAILLIER) > 13. 05:45 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (Jim Addington) > 14. 07:31 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (nico css) > 15. 07:44 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (nico css) > 16. 11:31 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (Tom Fisher) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:03:15 AM PST US > From: YOURTCFG@aol.com > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you this > > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:15:12 AM PST US > From: Frits Abbing > Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Frits Abbing > > There is no fuel in heaven, they all fly on air. > And there is no FAA also, so ......!!! > > Happy Easter. > > > --- YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote: > > --> Commander-List message posted by: > > YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > > HI KIDS. > > > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy > > Easter! Remember, there is > > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate > > this day a risen savior, > > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so > > that you and I can have > > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty > > God, the creator of the > > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal > > life WOW!! > > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your > > salvation?? Where will you > > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. > > May God bless all of you this > > wonderful day > > > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! > > With fuel tanks that > > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:30:32 AM PST US > From: RRamm52@cs.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com > > Amen, Jim > Happy Easter, All. > Rob Munro > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:06:45 AM PST US > From: "Jim Addington" > Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really sounds > good. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > YOURTCFG@aol.com > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you > this > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:59:10 PM PST US > From: "nico css" > Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > Thanks for your testimonies, guys. Not only no fuel required, but Aero > Commanders that can traverse the stars. > Praise God from whom all blessings flow. > Nico > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Addington" > Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > > > Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really > sounds > > good. > > > > Jim Addington > > N444BD > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > > YOURTCFG@aol.com > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > > HI KIDS. > > > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there > is > > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, > > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can > have > > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the > > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! > > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you > > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of > you > > this > > wonderful day > > > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks > that > > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:42:30 PM PST US > From: buddy@cyconenterprises.com > Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby > > --> Commander-List message posted by: buddy@cyconenterprises.com > > Hey guys, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > President > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > The Windham Companies, Inc. > L&B Investors, LLC > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:55:24 PM PST US > From: joe@taccapitalgroup.com > Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 > > --> Commander-List message posted by: joe@taccapitalgroup.com > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 > > From: Commander-List Digest Server > > > > Date: Sat, March 26, 2005 11:55 pm > > To: Commander-List Digest List > > > > * > > > > ================================================== > > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > > ================================================== > > > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the > > two Web Links listed below. 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The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > > of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > > > HTML Version: > > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-26.html > > > > Text Version: > > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-26.txt > > > > > > ================================================ > > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > > ================================================ > > > > > > Commander-List Digest Archive > > --- > > Total Messages Posted Sat 03/26/05: 1 > > > > > > Today's Message Index: > > ---------------------- > > > > 1. 04:46 AM - Fw: seajean flying boat conversion (Avtec2) > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 04:46:24 AM PST US > > From: "Avtec2" > > Subject: Commander-List: Fw: seajean flying boat conversion > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Avtec2" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jean > > Subject: seajean flying boat conversion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:05:56 PM PST US > From: "Larry Wokral" > Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" > > I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. > > While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine > started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a > little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly > dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had > oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked > out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut > it down and feathered the prop. > > So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over > very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get > any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was > there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily > maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the > McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my > Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere > with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold > clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly > decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the > McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to > proceed there. > > I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s > were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or > could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me > and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach > through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single > engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could > find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my > assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must > say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. > He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered > engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the > horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look > for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me > to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through > it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. > > The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off > to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all > great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not > turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. > > A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. > When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from > somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the > problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase > breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to > blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours > cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three > quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. > When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose > seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of > course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and > hub. > > We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew > it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new > storm arrived. > > Reflections: > This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 > conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. > With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel > aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about > 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the > problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The > single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left > engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot > longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally > reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down > prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter > for a look see just to be sure). > > Still need to learn (among other things): > I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was > never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible > moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the > vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside > edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut > somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the > exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after > everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, > and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to > around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want > to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find > out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to > freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at > 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). > > The other question: > Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? > > Larry Wokral, > 500B > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:15:00 PM PST US > From: "John Vormbaum" > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" > > Buddy, > > My spirits fell as I read this. You are one of the very few people that I > consider the "glue" that holds the flight group together. I can't imagine > you not flying.....especially with how great you looked last fly-in and the > amount of energy you obviously put forth to get yourself in such good shape. > > I will console myself with the knowledge that your beautiful 560E will find > a new home and stay with the flight group. > > Whenever & wherever our paths cross, there's always an open seat in my > airplane for you and you can take control for any flights. I'd be proud to > fly with you! > > Not to mention, your participation in the group is mandatory. No way are we > going to let you outta this gang! > > Looking forward to seeing you at the next fly-in, > > /John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: buddy@cyconenterprises.com > > > > Hey guys, > > > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I > believe > > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the > flight > > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of > what > > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > > President > > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > > The Windham Companies, Inc. > > L&B Investors, LLC > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:17:56 PM PST US > From: "alh1@juno.com" > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com" > > > larry, i am always interested in successful single engine flying. try that in > a cessna cardinal. before i got my commander, i had an engine failure in my bonanza. > i went right away to full power on the second engine, but nothing happened. > fortunately for me there was a road available and no injuries, but that > was it for me and one engine. glad you made it. al hoffman > > > === message truncated === > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:06 AM PST US From: Dave Subject: Commander-List: Park City --> Commander-List message posted by: Dave Was anyone on the list flying around Park City, Utah on Sunday? I was skiing and a commander came in over Main Street. I almost hit a tree.. David __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:21 AM PST US From: "Larry Wokral" Subject: Commander-List: RE: Single Engine Flying --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" Guys, Thanks for the good comments about my recent single engine experience. Yes, it will now be much more difficult to complain about the increased operating costs of flying the Commander over my previous Cardinal (three times the fuel, three times the insurance, at least double the maintenance). As Nico said, "...nothing can yield a better return on your investment than an experience like Larry had..." As in Al Hoffman's Bonanza engine out experience, not much happens when you add power to the "other engine" when the original one gets quiet in a single. That happened to me in my Cardinal once during a climb over the Sierra. It was quiet for only 20-30 seconds when it restarted when I turned the boost pump on. In that case, I probably had some water in the fuel that burbled through. As John Vormbaum said: "... there are other (safer) ways to get a closeup of an F-15 ..." Certainly! I think these "boys on our payroll" enjoyed their repeated intercepts of me after they were satisfied that all seemed well. Yes, it was tax dollars well spent - at least in this now even more humble pilot's opinion. And, yes, Nico, it was a great outcome. I had planned to get some specific single engine operation training from an experienced Aerocommander driver soon. Now after having done it successfully, I feel I just might be able to sign myself off on a portion of that. What wonderful, safe airplanes these are. Larry Wokral ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:14 AM PST US From: "Larry Wokral" Subject: Commander-List: Frozen Rudder Trim --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" As I reported earlier, my rudder trim has now frozen up twice while in clear air and real cold OAT (-25C and -15C). It was parked on the ramp at Stockton CA during a lot of rain before my departure last Thursday. Perhaps there is someplace in the cable or hinge system where water is allowed to accumulate and then freeze at altitude - not a good thing. Does anyone else have experience with this? What do you all think is he problem? Has anyone figured out a fix for it? I had always read that with one shut down the rudder on a Commander can easily be trimmed allowing you to take your foot off of the rudder. I was disappointed not to be able to try this. Thanks, Larry Wokral ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:02 PM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Park City --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Hi Dave... Wasn't me. However, my folks and sister are moving to Park City next week, so I'll be pointing my Commander in that direction soon and often (I hope...). 2 hours and 45 minutes from San Luis Obispo, CA (SBP) to Heber City Airport...yipppeee. Can't wait. I'll wave at you on the slopes. Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Subject: Commander-List: Park City --> Commander-List message posted by: Dave Was anyone on the list flying around Park City, Utah on Sunday? I was skiing and a commander came in over Main Street. I almost hit a tree.. David __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:03 PM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Frozen Rudder Trim --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com Larry, Every couple of flights, we'll pull one back to zero thrust, and put in a little rudder trim, engage the autopilot, and let it fly for 10 minutes or so. Indicates about 140 at 5000.........hardly know one is out. Rob Munro In a message dated 3/28/2005 1:50:33 PM Central Standard Time, l.wokral@ix.netcom.com writes: > I had always read that with one shut down the rudder on a Commander can > easily be trimmed allowing you to take your foot off of the rudder. I was > disappointed not to be able to try this. > > Thanks, > Larry Wokral ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:46 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Frozen Rudder Trim --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Hey Larry, just a thought, After every rainstorm I have my girl do the "Commander Squat", i.e. I hang from the tail (I weigh a considerable amount...but hey, it's in proportion to my height!) to pull the tail down to the ground, then sit on it for a few minutes while the rainwater drains out of the fuselage. Then I let the nosewheel back down to the ground and wait a few more minutes while the remainder drains. If it's been a bad storm, I'll repeat until nothing more drips out of the drain holes on the bottom. Then I fly the cr*p out of her to get that airframe COMPLETELY dry. Moisture is the enemy of metal....must do my part to preserve the airframe :-). /J PS: The airframe is easier to tip with 2 people, and easier still with full tanks. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:14 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 3/27/2005 6:09:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, l.wokral@ix.netcom.com writes: The other question: Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? ME time. Great job Larry!! jb ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:41 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" It's the creme de la creme of ME time, justifying the whole ball of wax. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > In a message dated 3/27/2005 6:09:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > l.wokral@ix.netcom.com writes: > > The other question: > Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? > > > ME time. Great job Larry!! jb > > > > > >