Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:49 AM - Weird winglet (Barry Collman)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Weird winglet (nico css)
3. 06:36 AM - Re: Weird winglet (CloudCraft@aol.com)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: (Moe)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: (Barry Collman)
8. 09:07 AM - Re: (Moe)
9. 10:24 AM - Re: Weird winglet (RRamm52@cs.com)
10. 01:25 PM - Re: Weird winglet (nico css)
11. 02:31 PM - More questions about aircraft painting (swperk@earthlink.net)
12. 05:06 PM - Re: Weird winglet (Bill Bow)
13. 06:47 PM - Re: (tylor.hall)
14. 08:05 PM - Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (Ray Mansfied)
15. 08:31 PM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (nico css)
16. 08:33 PM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (CloudCraft@aol.com)
17. 09:02 PM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (Ray Mansfied)
18. 09:02 PM - Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side table? (Stan)
19. 09:17 PM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (CloudCraft@aol.com)
20. 09:32 PM - Re: Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side table? (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
21. 09:49 PM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (Jim Addington)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi guys,
I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently, mainly
looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the database.
Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown Field
Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister 'plane
too!
If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's all
about.
Here's the link:
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQZ%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WNEb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZWxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
Best Regards to ALl,
Barry C (UK)
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| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
It looks as if someone pulled it off his surf board.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently,
mainly
> looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the database.
>
> Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
Field
> Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
>
> Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister
'plane
> too!
>
> If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's
all
> about.
>
> Here's the link:
>
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
>
> Best Regards to ALl,
> Barry C (UK)
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
What's more disturbing than how ugly that winglet looks is that I can't see
the placard "EXPERIMENTAL" on the airplane.
Surley, this is not STC'd.
The only thing I can offer up, Sir Barry, is that I've seen other in-progress
mods based at KSDM. Last one was a hush kit on a Gulfstream II parked there.
Nice could be right, though. Given it's San Diego, it could be a surf board
shaper's extra credit project.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Mason,
Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize that
anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
Subject: Commander-List:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
>
> NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109 MR
RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190 PROP
30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER, CONVERTED TO
5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G 330
W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C ALT
ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6 PLACE
EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
> PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER 817-877-4977
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:36:46 -0500
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
MM, WILL CK LOGS. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
Mason,
Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize that
anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
To: "commander-list" <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Commander-List:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
>
> NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109 MR
RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190 PROP
30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER, CONVERTED TO
5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G 330
W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C ALT
ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6 PLACE
EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
> PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER 817-877-4977
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:02:47 -0500
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
MM, FOUND IT. AUG 1976, PER 43.13-1 & FAA 337 SIGNED OFF BY EDWARD JENNINGS
A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY AERO SPECIALTIES
IN VAN NUYS. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
Mason,
Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize that
anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
To: "commander-list" <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Commander-List:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
>
> NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109 MR
RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190 PROP
30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER, CONVERTED TO
5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G 330
W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C ALT
ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6 PLACE
EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
> PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER 817-877-4977
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Moe & Mason,
Edward Jennings signed off a lot of Dick MacCoon's mod. work.
Like Mason's 680F(P), three others have had the cockpit overhead windows
installed, in accordance with MR. RPM Drawing No. 54003.
STC SA3322WE covers the 680FL & 680FLP, but not the 680F(P).
Moe, if you want Dick's Email, I can pass it on to you.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
|
| MM, FOUND IT. AUG 1976, PER 43.13-1 & FAA 337 SIGNED OFF BY EDWARD JENNINGS
A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY AERO
SPECIALTIES IN VAN NUYS. MASON
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
| To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List:
|
|
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
<moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
|
| Mason,
|
| Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize that
| anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
|
| Regards,
|
| Moe
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
| To: "commander-list"
<commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
| Subject: Commander-List:
|
|
| > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
<Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
| >
| > NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109 MR
| RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190 PROP
| 30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
| REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
| SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER, CONVERTED TO
| 5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G 330
| W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C ALT
| ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
| 700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6 PLACE
| EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
| > PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER 817-877-4977
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| No virus found in this incoming message.
|
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| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Barry,
Thank you very much for the information concerning the overhead windows.
Dick and I talk ever now and again. We have done some experimental pistons
for him, so I know how to contact him.
Regards
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Moe & Mason,
>
> Edward Jennings signed off a lot of Dick MacCoon's mod. work.
>
> Like Mason's 680F(P), three others have had the cockpit overhead windows
> installed, in accordance with MR. RPM Drawing No. 54003.
>
> STC SA3322WE covers the 680FL & 680FLP, but not the 680F(P).
>
> Moe, if you want Dick's Email, I can pass it on to you.
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
>
<Kamala@msn.com>
JENNINGS
> A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY
AERO
> SPECIALTIES IN VAN NUYS. MASON
> <moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
that
> <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
> <Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
MR
PROP
CONVERTED TO
PANEL-G 330
ALT
SENSORS,JPI
PLACE
817-877-4977
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
Legal or not, it sure is ugly. Maybe its a gallon of extra fuel?
Rob
In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:37:01 AM Central Standard Time,
CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
> What's more disturbing than how ugly that winglet looks is that I can't see
>
> the placard "EXPERIMENTAL" on the airplane.
>
> Surley, this is not STC'd.
>
> The only thing I can offer up, Sir Barry, is that I've seen other
> in-progress
> mods based at KSDM. Last one was a hush kit on a Gulfstream II parked
> there.
>
> Nice could be right, though. Given it's San Diego, it could be a surf board
>
> shaper's extra credit project.
>
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
And the purpose of a winglet is lost if it's not properly designed, not so?
I mean shouldn't a winglet, in addition to being pretty, reduce wingtip
vortices which, in turn, reduces drag? Having a surfboard mounted upside
down on the wingtip could give better control in a heavy down pour, I guess.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
>
> Legal or not, it sure is ugly. Maybe its a gallon of extra fuel?
> Rob
>
>
> In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:37:01 AM Central Standard Time,
> CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
> > What's more disturbing than how ugly that winglet looks is that I can't
see
> >
> > the placard "EXPERIMENTAL" on the airplane.
> >
> > Surley, this is not STC'd.
> >
> > The only thing I can offer up, Sir Barry, is that I've seen other
> > in-progress
> > mods based at KSDM. Last one was a hush kit on a Gulfstream II parked
> > there.
> >
> > Nice could be right, though. Given it's San Diego, it could be a surf
board
> >
> > shaper's extra credit project.
> >
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | More questions about aircraft painting |
--> Commander-List message posted by: swperk@earthlink.net
Hello yet again!
Although I had originally resigned myself to having my plane painted out-of-state
because the quotes from the two California shops were so high, now there's
a new wrinkle:
I spoke with Art Craft in Santa Maria, CA (KSMX) this morning, and their quote
was substantially lower than the other two CA shops at about $14k to $15K. It
sounds like they will do everything all of the other shops will do in terms of
prepping and painting.
Questions:
1) Has anyone had experience with Art Craft or have any info about the quality
of their work?
2) Because of California's restrictive environmental policies, specifically requiring
the use of low VOC paints and materials, will the quality and/or durability
of the paint be less than if I were to take the plane to a state with less
restrictive regulations, such as AZ or TX?
Thanks,
Stan
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| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I was thinking an Airbus.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> It looks as if someone pulled it off his surf board.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently,
> mainly
>> looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
>> database.
>>
>> Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
> Field
>> Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
>>
>> Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister
> 'plane
>> too!
>>
>> If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's
> all
>> about.
>>
>> Here's the link:
>>
> www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
> &WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
> Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
> Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
> Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
> R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
> E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
>>
>> Best Regards to ALl,
>> Barry C (UK)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Barry,
IS The MR RPM STC for the short body commanders a different number than the
Long Body Commanders? I think the 680FP, 680F, and the 560F are on the same
number. I saw the drawings when I had access to them that included the Eye
brow windows.
Tylor Hall
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Moe & Mason,
Edward Jennings signed off a lot of Dick MacCoon's mod. work.
Like Mason's 680F(P), three others have had the cockpit overhead windows
installed, in accordance with MR. RPM Drawing No. 54003.
STC SA3322WE covers the 680FL & 680FLP, but not the 680F(P).
Moe, if you want Dick's Email, I can pass it on to you.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
|
| MM, FOUND IT. AUG 1976, PER 43.13-1 & FAA 337 SIGNED OFF BY EDWARD
JENNINGS
A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY AERO
SPECIALTIES IN VAN NUYS. MASON
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
| To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List:
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| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
<moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
|
| Mason,
|
| Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize
that
| anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
|
| Regards,
|
| Moe
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
| To: "commander-list"
<commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
| Subject: Commander-List:
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| > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
<Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
| >
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| > PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER
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| Subject: | Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Hello,
I read the Aero Commander web site postings daily. Lots of good knowledge
out there. I've also sent in questions before and found everyone helpful, and
have solved some problems as a result. I fly an Aero Commander 680 FL(P) for
a small company where I live. I hear folks talk about the overhead windows,
my plane has that. I read about the Mr. RPM Conversion, my plane has that.
I see pictures of the the outlining of the windshield glass, which looks so good
and I have that. I've seen comments about instrument panel design, I have
an instrument pane. I read about and see pictures of some great looking Commanders...mine
is too. I'm real lucky. Attached is a picture. If it doesn't
come thought here some one tell me and I'll try something else.
My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match up. The
right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go. The maintenance guys
have tried everything, and have called Mr. RPM. His latest suggestion was
that the turbos might be bad. We sent them off and no, that was not the problem.
So far we have replaced all of the ducting, checked the exhaust ducting,
checked the turbo seal with the exhaust, checked the waste gates on both sides
for correct travel (both are the same) and replaced one cylinder on the right
engine that had a very low compression check. No change. We've also flow with
the bleed air valves closed with the same result. Pressurization on this
plane has never been very good, at 13,000' pressure altitude, cabin altitude
runs about 10,000' . Once we figure out the reason for the turbo lever difference,
we'll tackle the pressurization problem.
I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right where
the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the problem let
me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a while...they're out
of ideas at the moment, although they are going to call Mr. RPM again and note
that the turbos had a good report. Thanks to everyone for help in the past.
Any suggestion?
Ray Mansfield
N91ES
Ft. Walton Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Very nice account of your Commander, Ray. I liked the "you say that... I got
that" approach. Even the pressurization problem. The 680F(P) I flew some 25
odd years ago would dump its press at around 12K', then build it back up
again and dump it. Some folks on the list found the Commander weakness to be
around the rudder pedals, but I might be wrong.
The turbo problem, I don't know, except to say that I cannot remember seeing
a twin with the power controls nicely set alongside one another unless they
are 'to the wall' of course. You, however, seem to describe a more acute
separation. What happens if you push both controls to the wall - are you
getting a substantially higher MP reading on the one with the greater
travel? I am going out on a limb here but if you have one throttle cable
with more slack than the other, you would reach full throttle on the longer
cable before the one with the shorter cable. But, your boys must've looked
at that.
If you would send the pictures to me off the list I will publish them on my
website and let everyone take a look at it.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
>
> Hello,
>
> I read the Aero Commander web site postings daily. Lots of good
knowledge out there. I've also sent in questions before and found everyone
helpful, and have solved some problems as a result. I fly an Aero Commander
680 FL(P) for a small company where I live. I hear folks talk about the
overhead windows, my plane has that. I read about the Mr. RPM Conversion,
my plane has that. I see pictures of the the outlining of the windshield
glass, which looks so good and I have that. I've seen comments about
instrument panel design, I have an instrument pane. I read about and see
pictures of some great looking Commanders...mine is too. I'm real lucky.
Attached is a picture. If it doesn't come thought here some one tell me and
I'll try something else.
>
> My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match
up. The right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go. The
maintenance guys have tried everything, and have called Mr. RPM. His latest
suggestion was that the turbos might be bad. We sent them off and no, that
was not the problem. So far we have replaced all of the ducting, checked
the exhaust ducting, checked the turbo seal with the exhaust, checked the
waste gates on both sides for correct travel (both are the same) and
replaced one cylinder on the right engine that had a very low compression
check. No change. We've also flow with the bleed air valves closed with
the same result. Pressurization on this plane has never been very good, at
13,000' pressure altitude, cabin altitude runs about 10,000' . Once we
figure out the reason for the turbo lever difference, we'll tackle the
pressurization problem.
>
> I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right
where the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the
problem let me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a
while...they're out of ideas at the moment, although they are going to call
Mr. RPM again and note that the turbos had a good report. Thanks to
everyone for help in the past. Any suggestion?
>
> Ray Mansfield
> N91ES
> Ft. Walton Beach, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 04-Apr-05 20:10:57 Pacific Daylight Time, hcourier@cox.net
writes:
My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match up. The
right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go.
Ray,
What is your Manifold pressure when this happens?
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
I usually run about 25.75" MAP and 2300 RPM and 20 GPH each engine at that
altitude. CHT about 180-200 degrees C. Lately the right turbo lever hits
the stop and I sometimes can't quite get 25.75" MAP on the right engine, so
I have to settle with what I get and adjust the left engine to match.
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 04-Apr-05 20:10:57 Pacific Daylight Time,
> hcourier@cox.net
> writes:
> My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match up.
> The
> right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go.
> Ray,
>
> What is your Manifold pressure when this happens?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side table? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan" <swperk@earthlink.net>
Hi all,
When I was renovating the interior in my 681 I decided that having two
pull-out tables in the back made the interior look more cramped and was
at least one more table than I really needed, so I reinstalled only one.
The remaining one is in good shape and essentially complete, but it
needs some TLC (light refinishing, perhaps a little gluing/mechanical
repair, and definitely some reupholstering). If anyone is interested in
this spare table and is willing to pay for shipping (it's not very
heavy) from San Diego, it's yours!
Stan
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
Ray,
At 10 - 13,000' your RayJays should be putting out all kinds of air.
I've often suggested MR RPM operators use higher RPMs -- but at much higher
altitudes that you're flying at presently.
This is baffling because you've checked everything there is to check. If you
hadn't already done what you've done I'd tell you that you have bad turbos,
waste gates or leaks in your ducting.
Am still trying to think (but nothing happens)
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side table? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 4/4/2005 9:03:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
swperk@earthlink.net writes:
If anyone is interested in
this spare table and is willing to pay for shipping (it's not very
heavy) from San Diego, it's yours!
HI STAN
I WANT IT!!! Tell me how much? THANKS!!!!!!! jb
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| Subject: | Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
By chance, being that you have checked just about everything else, could you
have a bad gauge or hose to the gauge?
Jim A
N444BD
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
Ray,
At 10 - 13,000' your RayJays should be putting out all kinds of air.
I've often suggested MR RPM operators use higher RPMs -- but at much higher
altitudes that you're flying at presently.
This is baffling because you've checked everything there is to check. If
you
hadn't already done what you've done I'd tell you that you have bad turbos,
waste gates or leaks in your ducting.
Am still trying to think (but nothing happens)
Wing Commander Gordon
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