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1. 02:21 AM - Re: (Barry Collman)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (Ray Mansfied)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (Ray Mansfied)
4. 05:27 AM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (Barry Collman)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side table? (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
6. 07:49 AM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (mike floyd)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 08:59 AM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (Barry Collman)
9. 10:14 AM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (nico css)
10. 10:47 AM - Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (CloudCraft@aol.com)
11. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem (Ray Mansfied)
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| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Tylor,
I'm not certain which STC you mean! Do you mean the one for the eyebrow windows?
Or do you mean the ones for the MR. RPM conversion itself?
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
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| Barry,
| IS The MR RPM STC for the short body commanders a different number than the
| Long Body Commanders? I think the 680FP, 680F, and the 560F are on the same
| number. I saw the drawings when I had access to them that included the Eye
| brow windows.
| Tylor Hall
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| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
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| Hi Moe & Mason,
|
| Edward Jennings signed off a lot of Dick MacCoon's mod. work.
|
| Like Mason's 680F(P), three others have had the cockpit overhead windows
| installed, in accordance with MR. RPM Drawing No. 54003.
|
| STC SA3322WE covers the 680FL & 680FLP, but not the 680F(P).
|
| Moe, if you want Dick's Email, I can pass it on to you.
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
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| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Re: Commander-List:
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|| --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
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|| MM, FOUND IT. AUG 1976, PER 43.13-1 & FAA 337 SIGNED OFF BY EDWARD
| JENNINGS
| A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY AERO
| SPECIALTIES IN VAN NUYS. MASON
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|| From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
|| To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
|| Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
|| Subject: Re: Commander-List:
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|| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
| <moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
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|| Mason,
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|| Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize
| that
|| anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
||
|| Regards,
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|| Moe
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|| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
|| To: "commander-list"
| <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
|| Subject: Commander-List:
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|| > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
| <Kamala@msn.com<mailto:Kamala@msn.com>>
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|| > PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER
| 817-877-4977
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Jim,
Thanks for the suggestion, but I suspect the gage is OK. If I even up
the turbo levers, the engines pull unevenly, trying to turn right, and the
MAP reflects that. It's a baffeling situation.
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> <jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> By chance, being that you have checked just about everything else, could
> you
> have a bad gauge or hose to the gauge?
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> CloudCraft@aol.com
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
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> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
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> Ray,
>
> At 10 - 13,000' your RayJays should be putting out all kinds of air.
>
> I've often suggested MR RPM operators use higher RPMs -- but at much
> higher
> altitudes that you're flying at presently.
>
> This is baffling because you've checked everything there is to check. If
> you
> hadn't already done what you've done I'd tell you that you have bad
> turbos,
> waste gates or leaks in your ducting.
>
> Am still trying to think (but nothing happens)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Thanks. All suggestions are appreciated. It's got to be something we've
missed. Yes, our thinking here is not happening so good either.
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> Ray,
>
> At 10 - 13,000' your RayJays should be putting out all kinds of air.
>
> I've often suggested MR RPM operators use higher RPMs -- but at much
> higher
> altitudes that you're flying at presently.
>
> This is baffling because you've checked everything there is to check. If
> you
> hadn't already done what you've done I'd tell you that you have bad
> turbos,
> waste gates or leaks in your ducting.
>
> Am still trying to think (but nothing happens)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Ray,
As a lot of guys on this chatlist know, I'm just a big fan of the Commander and
have no technical knowledge of how things like Turbochargers etc. work.
But what I do know is Dick MacCoon is a first-class engineer. I'm sure if your
guys call him again, he'll find the solution for you. I don't think there's a
better guy to talk to. He is an absolute mine of information.
I spent an afternoon and evening with Dick last September. I know that if anyone
has a problem with their "Turbo 800" Commander engines, Dick is more than happy
to help. I know that for a fact, he told me so himself!
Obviously, give Dick all the info you can, gauge readings, engine settings etc.
etc., and I'm very confident he'll get your Commander flying better than ever!
I'm not saying anyone else's suggestions are to be ignored, but Dick really is
the guy to talk to.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
|
| Hello,
|
| I read the Aero Commander web site postings daily. Lots of good knowledge
out there. I've also sent in questions before and found everyone helpful, and
have solved some problems as a result. I fly an Aero Commander 680 FL(P) for a
small company where I live. I hear folks talk about the overhead windows, my
plane has that. I read about the Mr. RPM Conversion, my plane has that. I see
pictures of the the outlining of the windshield glass, which looks so good and
I
have that. I've seen comments about instrument panel design, I have an
instrument pane. I read about and see pictures of some great looking
Commanders...mine is too. I'm real lucky. Attached is a picture. If it
doesn't come thought here some one tell me and I'll try something else.
|
| My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match up.
The right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go. The maintenance
guys have tried everything, and have called Mr. RPM. His latest suggestion was
that the turbos might be bad. We sent them off and no, that was not the
problem. So far we have replaced all of the ducting, checked the exhaust
ducting, checked the turbo seal with the exhaust, checked the waste gates on
both sides for correct travel (both are the same) and replaced one cylinder on
the right engine that had a very low compression check. No change. We've also
flow with the bleed air valves closed with the same result. Pressurization on
this plane has never been very good, at 13,000' pressure altitude, cabin
altitude runs about 10,000' . Once we figure out the reason for the turbo lever
difference, we'll tackle the pressurization problem.
|
| I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right
where the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the problem
let me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a while...they're
out of ideas at the moment, although they are going to call Mr. RPM again and
note that the turbos had a good report. Thanks to everyone for help in the
past. Any suggestion?
|
| Ray Mansfield
| N91ES
| Ft. Walton Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side table? |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:34:24 -0500
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
well I want it also . lets open the bidding. mason
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From: YOURTCFG@aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG@aol.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side
table?
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/4/2005 9:03:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
swperk@earthlink.net<mailto:swperk@earthlink.net> writes:
If anyone is interested in
this spare table and is willing to pay for shipping (it's not very
heavy) from San Diego, it's yours!
HI STAN
I WANT IT!!! Tell me how much? THANKS!!!!!!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
Examine your wastegates very carefully check for warpage of the butterfly
valve and see what kind of gap you have in the valve with them fully closed.
Also I have seen the upper deck reference lines restricted at the fuel
injection nozzles. Remove them from the engine and see how much air they
will flow through each individual line. Also make sure the reference lines
are not touching the exhaust and have holes worn in them, they will dump
considerable boost if they have holes.
Regards
Mike
Commander NW LTD
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
Ray,
I tried to think and all I came up with was Nico's idea, more or less.
Let's look at the rigging of the turbo controlls.
I've had as much as a 3" MAP differential between (normally aspirated)
engines and it turned out to be the bushings on the throttle linkage that were
worn.
If you don't mind, to level the playing field, take your -FLP up to 10,000'
normally aspirated and check for MAP differential on the way up and after level
off.
If that's OK, then it's the turbo system; you've checked into the "hot"
components so then it may be controll cable / linkage.
Nico, keep thinking. I'm at a loss without your brain.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hey Keith!
I haven't seen you using the "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so
elsewhere." slogan at the end of your postings since early February.
I'd love to see it make a come-back. Always gives me a smile and wish I was
clever enough to come up with something like that!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
| --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
|
| Ray,
|
| I tried to think and all I came up with was Nico's idea, more or less.
|
| Let's look at the rigging of the turbo controlls.
|
| I've had as much as a 3" MAP differential between (normally aspirated)
| engines and it turned out to be the bushings on the throttle linkage that were
worn.
|
| If you don't mind, to level the playing field, take your -FLP up to 10,000'
| normally aspirated and check for MAP differential on the way up and after
level
| off.
|
| If that's OK, then it's the turbo system; you've checked into the "hot"
| components so then it may be controll cable / linkage.
|
| Nico, keep thinking. I'm at a loss without your brain.
|
| Wing Commander Gordon
|
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Or, the package said 'use XP or better, so I bought a Mac.'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hey Keith!
>
> I haven't seen you using the "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less
so
> elsewhere." slogan at the end of your postings since early February.
>
> I'd love to see it make a come-back. Always gives me a smile and wish I
was
> clever enough to come up with something like that!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
>
that were
> worn.
10,000'
after
> level
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05-Apr-05 08:59:49 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
I haven't seen you using the "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so
elsewhere." slogan at the end of your postings since early February.
Sir Barry,
It was taken off in mourning over the loss of your status as an employee.
The grieving period is over now.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Thanks Mike. I'm printing everyone's suggestions to give to my maintenance
folks. I made a suggestion similar to yours last week, although yours is
more specific and comes from experience. Maintenance hasn't looked at that
idea yet. Having some else suggest the same thing may get them looking more
quickly.
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
>
> Examine your wastegates very carefully check for warpage of the butterfly
> valve and see what kind of gap you have in the valve with them fully
> closed.
> Also I have seen the upper deck reference lines restricted at the fuel
> injection nozzles. Remove them from the engine and see how much air they
> will flow through each individual line. Also make sure the reference lines
> are not touching the exhaust and have holes worn in them, they will dump
> considerable boost if they have holes.
>
> Regards
> Mike
> Commander NW LTD
>
>
>
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