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1. 03:25 AM - Re: Re:USA Visit (Howard Windham)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: Two Engine Out (CloudCraft@AOL.COM)
3. 08:28 AM - Re: Two Engine Out (BobsV35B@aol.com)
4. 10:51 AM - Glide Ratio / Performance Charts (Larry Wokral)
5. 11:23 AM - Re: Two Engine Out (bilbo)
6. 11:28 AM - Re: Performance Charts (AAInstalls@aol.com)
7. 11:45 AM - Re: Re:USA Visit (Bill Bow)
8. 12:35 PM - Listing of Commander Folks (Moe)
9. 12:46 PM - Cowl plugs/Windshield covers (KenWHyde@aol.com)
10. 12:57 PM - Re: Listing of Commander Folks (mike floyd)
11. 12:59 PM - Re: Listing of Commander Folks (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
12. 01:12 PM - Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers (Lowell Girod)
13. 01:23 PM - Re: Listing of Commander Folks (KenWHyde@aol.com)
14. 01:29 PM - Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers (KenWHyde@aol.com)
15. 01:51 PM - Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers (Lowell Girod)
16. 04:17 PM - Re: Two Engine Out (RRamm52@cs.com)
17. 05:09 PM - Re: COMMANDER LIST (Dan Brady)
18. 05:43 PM - Re: Two Engine Out (CloudCraft@aol.com)
19. 06:01 PM - Re: Two Engine Out (W J R HAMILTON)
20. 06:20 PM - Re: Two Engine Out (Lowell Girod)
21. 07:23 PM - Re: Listing of Commander Folks ()
22. 09:58 PM - (Jim Addington)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham" <buddy@cyconenterprises.com>
Richard, most of the snow should be gone by your arrival. Temps should be
above freezing for at least two hours per day since we now see the sun for 3
hours a day. Not really, temps should be comfortable in the mid 60's to mid
70's. Looking forward to Jackie's visit, and I guess yours too.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RnJThompson@aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit
--> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com
Hi All,
The wife and I will be visiting the Good Ol US of A from 1 May thru 14 May.
We apparently are going to some gambling joint in the desert, followed by a
visit for a couple of days to a large hole in the ground and a reasonably
large puddle.
we then proceed in a NE direction ending up in the clutches of one Buddy
Windham.and visits to a place of rapids and the home of one a Capone.
The question I have to ask is. What is the weather like in Vegas and Chicago
at this time of year? ( Once again experiencing the prospect of standing up
right and having the seasons at the right time of year).
Anyone wanting to get together for a couple of pints in Vegas,give us a mail
with contact details and we will go and test that stuff you call beer.
Regards
Richard
I would rather push my Commander than fly a Cessna!
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| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au writes:
Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air
Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic.
Good point.
I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
there is an Angle of Attack indicator.
We have them in the Falcons and the best L-over-D is marked.
But back to the question at hand: I've yet to see Best Glide Speed published
for a Part 23 twin.
As BilBo points out, if you pay enough money the FAA dismisses a line in the
POH.
A badger's arsehole, eh? That's got to be worse than flying up a muskrat's
... and no, I haven't but I have a friend who has.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 4/21/2005 8:47:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
CloudCraft@AOL.COM writes:
I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
there is an Angle of Attack indicator
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
I don't know anything about the Air Bus, but the 767s that I flew were not
equipped with an AOA indicator. It seems that the FAA has so many "ands, ifs,
and buts" involved in establishing certified V speeds that they are often
not what you and I think they should be. The result was that they did not
install AOA gauges because they felt we aviators would get confused by the facts!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
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| Subject: | Glide Ratio / Performance Charts |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral@ix.netcom.com>
You guys are all too funny!
One of these days just for grins I just might use Bob Siegfried's suggestion
and figure it out on my 500B. The 685 owner's instructor (who I also know
pretty well) used to own and fly a DC3, and he swears that one was published
for it. I'll give him a hard time for obviously using a single engine
template for a twin's BFR anyway.
I once took my turbonormalized C177RG Cardinal into Leadville on an early
Fall day during a Cardinal Club convention fly out. I had no trouble, but
some of the normally aspirated folks did sweat a little getting out of
there.
Larry Wokral
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| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
--> Commander-List message posted by: bilbo <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Unless that's one of those "I don't know what it does" clocks. I have never seen
one on a transport. But then again the only one I flew that was still in production
was the 727 and just by a few months.
It seems to me that when I was checking out on the Baron 30 years ago there was
a best glide speed on the 1968(I think), D-55. In fact I think it was 110.
bilbo
Life is always simple If you can ignore the jerks.
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au writes:
Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air
Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic.
Good point.
I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
there is an Angle of Attack indicator.
We have them in the Falcons and the best L-over-D is marked.
But back to the question at hand: I've yet to see Best Glide Speed published
for a Part 23 twin.
As BilBo points out, if you pay enough money the FAA dismisses a line in the
POH.
A badger's arsehole, eh? That's got to be worse than flying up a muskrat's
... and no, I haven't but I have a friend who has.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: Performance Charts |
--> Commander-List message posted by: AAInstalls@aol.com
Leadville, Colorado.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Now Buddy you know you never see the sun Michigan except for one, maybe two
days in July.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Windham" <buddy@cyconenterprises.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham"
> <buddy@cyconenterprises.com>
>
> Richard, most of the snow should be gone by your arrival. Temps should be
> above freezing for at least two hours per day since we now see the sun for
> 3
> hours a day. Not really, temps should be comfortable in the mid 60's to
> mid
> 70's. Looking forward to Jackie's visit, and I guess yours too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> RnJThompson@aol.com
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com
>
> Hi All,
>
> The wife and I will be visiting the Good Ol US of A from 1 May thru 14
> May.
> We apparently are going to some gambling joint in the desert, followed by
> a
> visit for a couple of days to a large hole in the ground and a reasonably
> large puddle.
> we then proceed in a NE direction ending up in the clutches of one Buddy
> Windham.and visits to a place of rapids and the home of one a Capone.
>
> The question I have to ask is. What is the weather like in Vegas and
> Chicago
> at this time of year? ( Once again experiencing the prospect of standing
> up
> right and having the seasons at the right time of year).
>
> Anyone wanting to get together for a couple of pints in Vegas,give us a
> mail
> with contact details and we will go and test that stuff you call beer.
>
> Regards
> Richard
> I would rather push my Commander than fly a Cessna!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Listing of Commander Folks |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Hi,
If you have not already emailed the information (Excel spread sheet) to me to be
on the Commander List Spread Sheet please email the following information to
moe@rosspistons.com
Your Name
email address
Aircraft N number
Aircraft Model
Home Airport,
State or Country
Brief comment (25 LETTERS or less)
Non owners are certainly welcome and encouraged to list. The reason for this list
is to assist some of us bad memory types in keeping "the cast of characters"
straight.
My assistant, Alma, should be able to email everyone, who has listed, a copy next
Tuesday.
Regards,
Moe
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| Subject: | Cowl plugs/Windshield covers |
--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
Gentleman,
Who the best supplier for engine plugs and windshield covers for the 500S. I
was told the Lee Bailey's in Calif. was but they said the do not.
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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| Subject: | Listing of Commander Folks |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
Hi Moe,
I did return the Excel file with our info but here it is again
Commander NW LTD
500S N210HD
500S N634CT
680FL N7UP MR RPM
680FL N98UP MR RPM
690A N222ME
690A N57096
We do Marine mammal research in Alaska, Navy marine mammal research on the
East Coast
and USFS fire contract work.
Base KEAT East Wenathcee Wa.
Mike Floyd Director of Maintenance
floydgm@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Listing of Commander Folks |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:59:22 -0500
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
MM, PHONE NUMBERS WOULD BE NICE TO CONTACT IF VISITING DIFFERENT AIRPORTS WHERE
COMMANDERS RESIDE. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:24 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
Hi,
If you have not already emailed the information (Excel spread sheet) to me to be on the Commander List Spread Sheet please email the following information to moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
Your Name
email address
Aircraft N number
Aircraft Model
Home Airport,
State or Country
Brief comment (25 LETTERS or less)
Non owners are certainly welcome and encouraged to list. The reason for this
list is to assist some of us bad memory types in keeping "the cast of characters"
straight.
My assistant, Alma, should be able to email everyone, who has listed, a copy
next Tuesday.
Regards,
Moe
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| Subject: | Cowl plugs/Windshield covers |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod@earthlink.net>
Ken;
Don't know about engine plugs or who is best, but I got my cover for my
560E at Sun & Fun last year from Bruce's Covering from CA., and I have been
pleased, I marked the holes for Temp. probe and Ant. and sent it to them,
they did them correctly and monagramed my N number on the cover.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: <KenWHyde@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/21/2005 3:46:36 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
>
> Gentleman,
>
> Who the best supplier for engine plugs and windshield covers for the
500S. I
> was told the Lee Bailey's in Calif. was but they said the do not.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Hyde
> N47AC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Listing of Commander Folks |
--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
Ken Hyde
kenwhyde@aol.com
540-347-1909
N47AC
500S Serial #3200
Culpeper, Va (CJR)
Restoration shop is at Warrenton, Va. About 30 minutes from IAD where the new
NASM museum is located. About 60 miles from DCA. CJR outside the ADIZ and
cheaper fuel.
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers |
--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
Thanks, Don
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod@earthlink.net>
Ken;
I live just south of Atlanta, but my lady friend lives about a mile from
MT. Vernon, so since I am retired I spend about half my time up there.
Have been to the new museum and enjoyed it. Maybe our paths will cross one
day, I seldom fly up just due to the time I spend, the restrictions in the
area and the cost involved when its only me, cheaper by far to fly AirTran.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: <KenWHyde@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/21/2005 4:28:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
>
> Thanks, Don
>
> Ken
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
In a message dated 4/21/05 2:42:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jtaddington@charter.net writes:
> The main reason to have two engines is you hope you only lose one. Bob
> Hoover lost both and a crew on an Eastern L-1011 lost all three and I
> believe a B-747 lost all four going through a volcano cloud at night so it
> can happen.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
Yes, Its nice when both run well. Crossed 800 miles of Caribbean today in our
AC50.
Nice flight. 4 hrs. 20 minutes block to block, crosswind.....
Rob
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| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER LIST |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dan Brady" <westwind@hdiss.net>
I,too, feel lost in the hinterlands N.E. of Reno,Nevada. Dan Brady--`58
AC-500 - N6277B
P.O.Box 1778 Fernley,NV.89408
1-775-575-6822
--- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER LIST
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)"
> <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Moe:
>
> I don't post much, but would like to be listed so people can find me!
>
>
> ___________________________
> Deneal Schilmeister
> St. Louis - Cincinnati
> 1997 SL500
> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Moe
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> Chris,
>
> Thanks, we will do it the old fashoned way and send it to each indivudal
> seperatly. Each person can add their info and send it back to us, and we
> will merg the data and send it back to whoever wants it.
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 21-Apr-05 08:29:22 Pacific Daylight Time, BobsV35B@aol.com
writes:
The result was that they did not
install AOA gauges because they felt we aviators would get confused by the
facts!
That makes perfect sense, Old Bob. Thank gawd the FAA is so smart.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Can't speak for the A330, but there is no AoA on any of the B767/B744 ( and
certainly not on the B707 or B747/100-200-300) I have flown, the best we
had to go on was the best holding speed for any weight, min. drag speed,
nead enough to best L/D.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 23:45 21/04/2005, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
>wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au writes:
>Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air
>Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic.
>Good point.
>
>I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
>there is an Angle of Attack indicator.
>
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
>
>Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod@earthlink.net>
Only ones that used it primarily and consistently to my knowledge is the
Navy fliers for landings.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/21/2005 9:00:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
<wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Can't speak for the A330, but there is no AoA on any of the B767/B744 (
and
> certainly not on the B707 or B747/100-200-300) I have flown, the best we
> had to go on was the best holding speed for any weight, min. drag speed,
> nead enough to best L/D.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 23:45 21/04/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
> >
> >In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
> >wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au writes:
> >Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent
Air
> >Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic.
> >Good point.
> >
> >I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
> >there is an Angle of Attack indicator.
> >
> >
> >Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> >Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> >
> >
>
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE
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| Subject: | Listing of Commander Folks |
--> Commander-List message posted by: <dfalik@sbcglobal.net>
Don Falik
790 W. Lawrence Ave.
Charlotte, Mi. 48813
dfalik@sbcglobal.net
Flying 1970 500S
Serial #3080
I don't post much as I've just started flying twin commander last June
but I read it every night.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KenWHyde@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks
--> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
Ken Hyde
kenwhyde@aol.com
540-347-1909
N47AC
500S Serial #3200
Culpeper, Va (CJR)
Restoration shop is at Warrenton, Va. About 30 minutes from IAD where
the new
NASM museum is located. About 60 miles from DCA. CJR outside the ADIZ
and
cheaper fuel.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
And you thought a 14000 foot landing was high.
Jim A
N444BD
INDIAN PILOTS HONORED FOR HIGH-ALTITUDE RESCUE
Two Indian air force helicopter pilots visited the National Air &
Space Museum in Washington, D.C., last week to accept an award for a
record-setting high-altitude rescue flight in the Himalayas last May.
The two pilots landed their Cheetah helicopter at 23,240 feet on a
glacier to rescue three critically hurt mountaineers. Wing Commander
S.K. Sharma and co-pilot Flight Lieutenant A.P. Dhanake made the
landing despite turbulent conditions and high winds. The helicopter's
official service ceiling is about 17,700 feet. India is working on
building a beefed-up helicopter that could fly rescue missions above
25,000 feet.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/385-full.html#189523
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