---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/21/05:22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:25 AM - Re: Re:USA Visit (Howard Windham) 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Two Engine Out (CloudCraft@AOL.COM) 3. 08:28 AM - Re: Two Engine Out (BobsV35B@aol.com) 4. 10:51 AM - Glide Ratio / Performance Charts (Larry Wokral) 5. 11:23 AM - Re: Two Engine Out (bilbo) 6. 11:28 AM - Re: Performance Charts (AAInstalls@aol.com) 7. 11:45 AM - Re: Re:USA Visit (Bill Bow) 8. 12:35 PM - Listing of Commander Folks (Moe) 9. 12:46 PM - Cowl plugs/Windshield covers (KenWHyde@aol.com) 10. 12:57 PM - Re: Listing of Commander Folks (mike floyd) 11. 12:59 PM - Re: Listing of Commander Folks (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 12. 01:12 PM - Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers (Lowell Girod) 13. 01:23 PM - Re: Listing of Commander Folks (KenWHyde@aol.com) 14. 01:29 PM - Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers (KenWHyde@aol.com) 15. 01:51 PM - Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers (Lowell Girod) 16. 04:17 PM - Re: Two Engine Out (RRamm52@cs.com) 17. 05:09 PM - Re: COMMANDER LIST (Dan Brady) 18. 05:43 PM - Re: Two Engine Out (CloudCraft@aol.com) 19. 06:01 PM - Re: Two Engine Out (W J R HAMILTON) 20. 06:20 PM - Re: Two Engine Out (Lowell Girod) 21. 07:23 PM - Re: Listing of Commander Folks () 22. 09:58 PM - (Jim Addington) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:34 AM PST US From: "Howard Windham" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit --> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham" Richard, most of the snow should be gone by your arrival. Temps should be above freezing for at least two hours per day since we now see the sun for 3 hours a day. Not really, temps should be comfortable in the mid 60's to mid 70's. Looking forward to Jackie's visit, and I guess yours too. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RnJThompson@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit --> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com Hi All, The wife and I will be visiting the Good Ol US of A from 1 May thru 14 May. We apparently are going to some gambling joint in the desert, followed by a visit for a couple of days to a large hole in the ground and a reasonably large puddle. we then proceed in a NE direction ending up in the clutches of one Buddy Windham.and visits to a place of rapids and the home of one a Capone. The question I have to ask is. What is the weather like in Vegas and Chicago at this time of year? ( Once again experiencing the prospect of standing up right and having the seasons at the right time of year). Anyone wanting to get together for a couple of pints in Vegas,give us a mail with contact details and we will go and test that stuff you call beer. Regards Richard I would rather push my Commander than fly a Cessna! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:31 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time, wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au writes: Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic. Good point. I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess there is an Angle of Attack indicator. We have them in the Falcons and the best L-over-D is marked. But back to the question at hand: I've yet to see Best Glide Speed published for a Part 23 twin. As BilBo points out, if you pay enough money the FAA dismisses a line in the POH. A badger's arsehole, eh? That's got to be worse than flying up a muskrat's ... and no, I haven't but I have a friend who has. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:28 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com In a message dated 4/21/2005 8:47:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, CloudCraft@AOL.COM writes: I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess there is an Angle of Attack indicator Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon, I don't know anything about the Air Bus, but the 767s that I flew were not equipped with an AOA indicator. It seems that the FAA has so many "ands, ifs, and buts" involved in establishing certified V speeds that they are often not what you and I think they should be. The result was that they did not install AOA gauges because they felt we aviators would get confused by the facts! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Airpark LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:33 AM PST US From: "Larry Wokral" Subject: Commander-List: Glide Ratio / Performance Charts --> Commander-List message posted by: "Larry Wokral" You guys are all too funny! One of these days just for grins I just might use Bob Siegfried's suggestion and figure it out on my 500B. The 685 owner's instructor (who I also know pretty well) used to own and fly a DC3, and he swears that one was published for it. I'll give him a hard time for obviously using a single engine template for a twin's BFR anyway. I once took my turbonormalized C177RG Cardinal into Leadville on an early Fall day during a Cardinal Club convention fly out. I had no trouble, but some of the normally aspirated folks did sweat a little getting out of there. Larry Wokral ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:05 AM PST US From: bilbo Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out --> Commander-List message posted by: bilbo Unless that's one of those "I don't know what it does" clocks. I have never seen one on a transport. But then again the only one I flew that was still in production was the 727 and just by a few months. It seems to me that when I was checking out on the Baron 30 years ago there was a best glide speed on the 1968(I think), D-55. In fact I think it was 110. bilbo Life is always simple If you can ignore the jerks. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time, wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au writes: Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic. Good point. I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess there is an Angle of Attack indicator. We have them in the Falcons and the best L-over-D is marked. But back to the question at hand: I've yet to see Best Glide Speed published for a Part 23 twin. As BilBo points out, if you pay enough money the FAA dismisses a line in the POH. A badger's arsehole, eh? That's got to be worse than flying up a muskrat's ... and no, I haven't but I have a friend who has. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:24 AM PST US From: AAInstalls@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Performance Charts --> Commander-List message posted by: AAInstalls@aol.com Leadville, Colorado. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:51 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Now Buddy you know you never see the sun Michigan except for one, maybe two days in July. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Windham" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham" > > > Richard, most of the snow should be gone by your arrival. Temps should be > above freezing for at least two hours per day since we now see the sun for > 3 > hours a day. Not really, temps should be comfortable in the mid 60's to > mid > 70's. Looking forward to Jackie's visit, and I guess yours too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > RnJThompson@aol.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit > > --> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com > > Hi All, > > The wife and I will be visiting the Good Ol US of A from 1 May thru 14 > May. > We apparently are going to some gambling joint in the desert, followed by > a > visit for a couple of days to a large hole in the ground and a reasonably > large puddle. > we then proceed in a NE direction ending up in the clutches of one Buddy > Windham.and visits to a place of rapids and the home of one a Capone. > > The question I have to ask is. What is the weather like in Vegas and > Chicago > at this time of year? ( Once again experiencing the prospect of standing > up > right and having the seasons at the right time of year). > > Anyone wanting to get together for a couple of pints in Vegas,give us a > mail > with contact details and we will go and test that stuff you call beer. > > Regards > Richard > I would rather push my Commander than fly a Cessna! > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:03 PM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Hi, If you have not already emailed the information (Excel spread sheet) to me to be on the Commander List Spread Sheet please email the following information to moe@rosspistons.com Your Name email address Aircraft N number Aircraft Model Home Airport, State or Country Brief comment (25 LETTERS or less) Non owners are certainly welcome and encouraged to list. The reason for this list is to assist some of us bad memory types in keeping "the cast of characters" straight. My assistant, Alma, should be able to email everyone, who has listed, a copy next Tuesday. Regards, Moe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:54 PM PST US From: KenWHyde@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers --> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com Gentleman, Who the best supplier for engine plugs and windshield covers for the 500S. I was told the Lee Bailey's in Calif. was but they said the do not. Thanks, Ken Hyde N47AC ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:28 PM PST US From: "mike floyd" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" Hi Moe, I did return the Excel file with our info but here it is again Commander NW LTD 500S N210HD 500S N634CT 680FL N7UP MR RPM 680FL N98UP MR RPM 690A N222ME 690A N57096 We do Marine mammal research in Alaska, Navy marine mammal research on the East Coast and USFS fire contract work. Base KEAT East Wenathcee Wa. Mike Floyd Director of Maintenance floydgm@hotmail.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:38 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:59:22 -0500 --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" MM, PHONE NUMBERS WOULD BE NICE TO CONTACT IF VISITING DIFFERENT AIRPORTS WHERE COMMANDERS RESIDE. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > Hi, If you have not already emailed the information (Excel spread sheet) to me to be on the Commander List Spread Sheet please email the following information to moe@rosspistons.com Your Name email address Aircraft N number Aircraft Model Home Airport, State or Country Brief comment (25 LETTERS or less) Non owners are certainly welcome and encouraged to list. The reason for this list is to assist some of us bad memory types in keeping "the cast of characters" straight. My assistant, Alma, should be able to email everyone, who has listed, a copy next Tuesday. Regards, Moe ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:28 PM PST US From: "Lowell Girod" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" Ken; Don't know about engine plugs or who is best, but I got my cover for my 560E at Sun & Fun last year from Bruce's Covering from CA., and I have been pleased, I marked the holes for Temp. probe and Ant. and sent it to them, they did them correctly and monagramed my N number on the cover. Don > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/21/2005 3:46:36 PM > Subject: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers > > --> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com > > Gentleman, > > Who the best supplier for engine plugs and windshield covers for the 500S. I > was told the Lee Bailey's in Calif. was but they said the do not. > > Thanks, > Ken Hyde > N47AC > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:35 PM PST US From: KenWHyde@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks --> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com Ken Hyde kenwhyde@aol.com 540-347-1909 N47AC 500S Serial #3200 Culpeper, Va (CJR) Restoration shop is at Warrenton, Va. About 30 minutes from IAD where the new NASM museum is located. About 60 miles from DCA. CJR outside the ADIZ and cheaper fuel. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:15 PM PST US From: KenWHyde@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers --> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com Thanks, Don Ken ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:18 PM PST US From: "Lowell Girod" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" Ken; I live just south of Atlanta, but my lady friend lives about a mile from MT. Vernon, so since I am retired I spend about half my time up there. Have been to the new museum and enjoyed it. Maybe our paths will cross one day, I seldom fly up just due to the time I spend, the restrictions in the area and the cost involved when its only me, cheaper by far to fly AirTran. Don > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/21/2005 4:28:58 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers > > --> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com > > Thanks, Don > > Ken > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:06 PM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com In a message dated 4/21/05 2:42:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jtaddington@charter.net writes: > The main reason to have two engines is you hope you only lose one. Bob > Hoover lost both and a crew on an Eastern L-1011 lost all three and I > believe a B-747 lost all four going through a volcano cloud at night so it > can happen. > > Jim A > N444BD > Yes, Its nice when both run well. Crossed 800 miles of Caribbean today in our AC50. Nice flight. 4 hrs. 20 minutes block to block, crosswind..... Rob ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:32 PM PST US From: "Dan Brady" Subject: Re: Commander-List: COMMANDER LIST --> Commander-List message posted by: "Dan Brady" I,too, feel lost in the hinterlands N.E. of Reno,Nevada. Dan Brady--`58 AC-500 - N6277B P.O.Box 1778 Fernley,NV.89408 1-775-575-6822 --- Original Message ----- From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER LIST > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" > > > Moe: > > I don't post much, but would like to be listed so people can find me! > > > ___________________________ > Deneal Schilmeister > St. Louis - Cincinnati > 1997 SL500 > http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Moe > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > Chris, > > Thanks, we will do it the old fashoned way and send it to each indivudal > seperatly. Each person can add their info and send it back to us, and we > will merg the data and send it back to whoever wants it. > Regards, > > Moe > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:43 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 21-Apr-05 08:29:22 Pacific Daylight Time, BobsV35B@aol.com writes: The result was that they did not install AOA gauges because they felt we aviators would get confused by the facts! That makes perfect sense, Old Bob. Thank gawd the FAA is so smart. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:00 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Can't speak for the A330, but there is no AoA on any of the B767/B744 ( and certainly not on the B707 or B747/100-200-300) I have flown, the best we had to go on was the best holding speed for any weight, min. drag speed, nead enough to best L/D. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 23:45 21/04/2005, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > >In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time, >wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au writes: >Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air >Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic. >Good point. > >I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess >there is an Angle of Attack indicator. > > >Wing Commander Gordon > >Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:24 PM PST US From: "Lowell Girod" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" Only ones that used it primarily and consistently to my knowledge is the Navy fliers for landings. Don > [Original Message] > From: W J R HAMILTON > To: > Date: 4/21/2005 9:00:48 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out > > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > Can't speak for the A330, but there is no AoA on any of the B767/B744 ( and > certainly not on the B707 or B747/100-200-300) I have flown, the best we > had to go on was the best holding speed for any weight, min. drag speed, > nead enough to best L/D. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton. > > > At 23:45 21/04/2005, you wrote: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > > >In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time, > >wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au writes: > >Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air > >Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic. > >Good point. > > > >I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess > >there is an Angle of Attack indicator. > > > > > >Wing Commander Gordon > > > >Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services > and Warbirds.Net. & . > This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It > is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are > not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of > this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege > attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the > mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please > notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 > Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:41 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks --> Commander-List message posted by: Don Falik 790 W. Lawrence Ave. Charlotte, Mi. 48813 dfalik@sbcglobal.net Flying 1970 500S Serial #3080 I don't post much as I've just started flying twin commander last June but I read it every night. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KenWHyde@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks --> Commander-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com Ken Hyde kenwhyde@aol.com 540-347-1909 N47AC 500S Serial #3200 Culpeper, Va (CJR) Restoration shop is at Warrenton, Va. About 30 minutes from IAD where the new NASM museum is located. About 60 miles from DCA. CJR outside the ADIZ and cheaper fuel. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:15 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Commander-List: --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" And you thought a 14000 foot landing was high. Jim A N444BD INDIAN PILOTS HONORED FOR HIGH-ALTITUDE RESCUE Two Indian air force helicopter pilots visited the National Air & Space Museum in Washington, D.C., last week to accept an award for a record-setting high-altitude rescue flight in the Himalayas last May. The two pilots landed their Cheetah helicopter at 23,240 feet on a glacier to rescue three critically hurt mountaineers. Wing Commander S.K. Sharma and co-pilot Flight Lieutenant A.P. Dhanake made the landing despite turbulent conditions and high winds. The helicopter's official service ceiling is about 17,700 feet. India is working on building a beefed-up helicopter that could fly rescue missions above 25,000 feet. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/385-full.html#189523