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1. 08:45 AM - Skydrol or 5606? (Tom Fisher)
2. 09:05 AM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (CloudCraft@aol.com)
3. 09:23 AM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (RRamm52@cs.com)
4. 09:51 AM - Re: One hydraulic system (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
5. 11:08 AM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (Deneal Schilmeister (iMac))
6. 01:14 PM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (Jerry Sprayberry)
7. 01:41 PM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (William Boelte)
8. 03:37 PM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (Jerry Sprayberry)
9. 04:11 PM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (Deneal Schilmeister (Portege))
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| Subject: | Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Any comments on changing to 5606?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jerry Sprayberry"
<capnspray_611@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Tom and all:
>
> My .002 Cents worth.
>
> A hydraulic Pump doesn't care what it is pumping, 5606 or Skydrol, The
only
> difference between the two is the O-Ring Seals are Special for Skydrol,
and
> they should already be in all your Skydrol Hyd. Components.
>
> Capnspray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > My opinion as well, now I am on the hunt for a Skydrol hydraulic pump.
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
> >
> >
> >> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
> > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >>
> >> My straight 500 had only one pump for as long as I had it. One day I
> > allowed
> >> a non-commander (ATP) pilot to do a trip and in spite of my pre flight
> >> instructions about her specific care, such as always start the left
> >> engine
> >> first, he smartly started the right hand engine - no brakes. I was
> > sprawled
> >> across the nose franticly trying to slow her down as I was being pushed
> >> in
> >> the direction of parked planes tied down across the taxiway. He had
> >> enough
> >> brains to shut the engine down again instead of trying to start the
left
> >> engine. After that he must have paid attention to the owner's brief.
> >> I guess the notion that if a piece of equipment is installed and
> >> required,
> >> the plane is US if it doesn't work.
> >> Nico
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> >> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:18:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> >> > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> >> >
> >> > What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one
hydraulic
> >> system
> >> > unserviceable in a 680FLP?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It would "officially" require a ferry permit. Like WCG, I don't
think
> > it
> >> is
> >> > a great idea. That said, I flew a 560A 800hr and it left the factory
> >> with
> >> > only one pump, so?? jb
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 14-May-05 08:46:34 Pacific Daylight Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
Any comments on changing to 5606?
>
A few ...
5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you commonality
throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing gear
struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was Monsanto's
Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
Changing isn't as easy as it sounds. The entire system has to be thoroughly
flushed a few times and although I used to think Skydrol seals and O rings
could be compatible with 5606, I've been told that's not true -- so you'll have
to change all of those.
If you do that, you'll have an airplane that's not going to get paint
stripped every time some (hydraulic) fluid drips or leaks, maintenance technicians
will be happier and you'll have a cheaper and more available fluid.
To be fair, if you use Skydrol B, it's supposed to be less harmful than the
earlier version and it is used in lots of current production jets, so it's not
a rare as some would like to say.
From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi hydraulic
Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's better
flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being developed around
that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr. RPM
with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational need for
Skydrol.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
My 720 used skydrol back in the early 80's and even then, I remember that we
had some problems relating to it....
Rob
In a message dated 5/14/2005 11:06:50 AM Central Standard Time,
CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
> From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi
> hydraulic
> Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's better
> flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being
> developed around
> that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr. RPM
> with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational need for
> Skydrol.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 5/13/2005 6:00:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
capnspray_611@hotmail.com writes:
A hydraulic Pump doesn't care what it is pumping, 5606 or Skydrol,
That is true, but in the case of the Skydrol airplanes, the pump is
different, designed to pump higher volumes (to run the hyd motor on the
Pressurization pump) at 3000 PSI. jb (hope that wasn't .05 cents worth;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
On 5/14/05 11:05 AM, "CloudCraft@aol.com" <CloudCraft@aol.com> wrote:
> 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you commonality
> throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing gear
> struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
> knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
> Monsanto's
> Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
Correction.......
> and that was Monsanto's Shrike -- and Monsanto
USED TO
> makes Skydrol
Skydrol production was shifted to Solutia, which itself was spun off from
Monsanto several years ago.
Just a useless point of trivia!
When Monsanto spun off Solutia, it seems like they put into Solutia all
their businesses that had a high level of ecological future liabilities.
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
My Continuous Garage Sale:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=denea
ls
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| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611@hotmail.com>
I had the pleasure of talking a great deal with the Late Dick Wortinger of
Commander Aero about the Possibility of changing my 680F(p) to 5606,
CloudCraft is correct about the 3000psi system. Dick was in on the original
Certification of the F(p) and the FAA gave them a choice of Fluid, But, they
said that with 5606 they would require a Fire Detection and a Fire
Protection System installed, Naturally that is when the cost factor came in.
Another short story about Skydrol. Some of you might remember National
Airlines, Bud Maytag's Toy that actually made Money unlike some of the
others at that time. Well the story goes like this, Some Skydrol Salesman
talked the Director of Maint. into changing the entire fleet 727's DC8's
Electras to Skydrol, Within two weeks time we were Popping HYD. Systems all
over the System. Apparently they didn't know about the O-Ring Seals being
different. They had to change every Seal, And that is a lot of O-Rings.
I guess I went a little wordy here, Sorry.
We Miss Dick Wortinger.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)"
> <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
>
> On 5/14/05 11:05 AM, "CloudCraft@aol.com" <CloudCraft@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
>> commonality
>> throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing gear
>> struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
>> knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
>> Monsanto's
>> Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
>
> Correction.......
>> and that was Monsanto's Shrike -- and Monsanto
> USED TO
>> makes Skydrol
>
>
> Skydrol production was shifted to Solutia, which itself was spun off from
> Monsanto several years ago.
>
> Just a useless point of trivia!
>
> When Monsanto spun off Solutia, it seems like they put into Solutia all
> their businesses that had a high level of ecological future liabilities.
>
>
> --
> Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
> St. Louis, Missouri USA
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
>
> My Continuous Garage Sale:
> http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=denea
> ls
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "William Boelte" <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
Jerry,
Are you coming to New Orleans in June?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sprayberry
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jerry Sprayberry"
<capnspray_611@hotmail.com>
I had the pleasure of talking a great deal with the Late Dick Wortinger of
Commander Aero about the Possibility of changing my 680F(p) to 5606,
CloudCraft is correct about the 3000psi system. Dick was in on the original
Certification of the F(p) and the FAA gave them a choice of Fluid, But, they
said that with 5606 they would require a Fire Detection and a Fire
Protection System installed, Naturally that is when the cost factor came in.
Another short story about Skydrol. Some of you might remember National
Airlines, Bud Maytag's Toy that actually made Money unlike some of the
others at that time. Well the story goes like this, Some Skydrol Salesman
talked the Director of Maint. into changing the entire fleet 727's DC8's
Electras to Skydrol, Within two weeks time we were Popping HYD. Systems all
over the System. Apparently they didn't know about the O-Ring Seals being
different. They had to change every Seal, And that is a lot of O-Rings.
I guess I went a little wordy here, Sorry.
We Miss Dick Wortinger.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)"
> <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
>
> On 5/14/05 11:05 AM, "CloudCraft@aol.com" <CloudCraft@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
>> commonality
>> throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing gear
>> struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
>> knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
>> Monsanto's
>> Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
>
> Correction.......
>> and that was Monsanto's Shrike -- and Monsanto
> USED TO
>> makes Skydrol
>
>
> Skydrol production was shifted to Solutia, which itself was spun off from
> Monsanto several years ago.
>
> Just a useless point of trivia!
>
> When Monsanto spun off Solutia, it seems like they put into Solutia all
> their businesses that had a high level of ecological future liabilities.
>
>
> --
> Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
> St. Louis, Missouri USA
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
>
> My Continuous Garage Sale:
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=denea
> ls
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611@hotmail.com>
Yes, I will be there June 16th I think.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Boelte" <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "William Boelte"
> <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
>
> Jerry,
> Are you coming to New Orleans in June?
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Sprayberry
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jerry Sprayberry"
> <capnspray_611@hotmail.com>
>
> I had the pleasure of talking a great deal with the Late Dick Wortinger of
> Commander Aero about the Possibility of changing my 680F(p) to 5606,
> CloudCraft is correct about the 3000psi system. Dick was in on the
> original
> Certification of the F(p) and the FAA gave them a choice of Fluid, But,
> they
>
> said that with 5606 they would require a Fire Detection and a Fire
> Protection System installed, Naturally that is when the cost factor came
> in.
>
> Another short story about Skydrol. Some of you might remember National
> Airlines, Bud Maytag's Toy that actually made Money unlike some of the
> others at that time. Well the story goes like this, Some Skydrol Salesman
> talked the Director of Maint. into changing the entire fleet 727's DC8's
> Electras to Skydrol, Within two weeks time we were Popping HYD. Systems
> all
>
> over the System. Apparently they didn't know about the O-Ring Seals being
> different. They had to change every Seal, And that is a lot of O-Rings.
>
> I guess I went a little wordy here, Sorry.
>
> We Miss Dick Wortinger.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)"
>> <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> On 5/14/05 11:05 AM, "CloudCraft@aol.com" <CloudCraft@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
>>> commonality
>>> throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing
>>> gear
>>> struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
>>> knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
>>> Monsanto's
>>> Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
>>
>> Correction.......
>>> and that was Monsanto's Shrike -- and Monsanto
>> USED TO
>>> makes Skydrol
>>
>>
>> Skydrol production was shifted to Solutia, which itself was spun off from
>> Monsanto several years ago.
>>
>> Just a useless point of trivia!
>>
>> When Monsanto spun off Solutia, it seems like they put into Solutia all
>> their businesses that had a high level of ecological future liabilities.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
>> St. Louis, Missouri USA
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
>>
>> My Continuous Garage Sale:
>>
> http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=denea
>> ls
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
Thank you, Jerry for bringing back such great memories for me.
My mentor, who got me interested in flying and Commanderdom, inspired me to
go to college after dropping out of high school.
I ended up in Miami, where you could see Bud's Commander parked outside the
hangar as you'd drive on LeJeune Rd. He had the National Sunburst logo
painted on the tail.
As I recall, Eastern also had a couple Commanders. I was told they were
used for IFR training. They would operate out of their hangar on 36th
Street.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Jerry Sprayberry
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jerry Sprayberry"
<capnspray_611@hotmail.com>
I had the pleasure of talking a great deal with the Late Dick Wortinger of
Commander Aero about the Possibility of changing my 680F(p) to 5606,
CloudCraft is correct about the 3000psi system. Dick was in on the original
Certification of the F(p) and the FAA gave them a choice of Fluid, But, they
said that with 5606 they would require a Fire Detection and a Fire
Protection System installed, Naturally that is when the cost factor came in.
Another short story about Skydrol. Some of you might remember National
Airlines, Bud Maytag's Toy that actually made Money unlike some of the
others at that time. Well the story goes like this, Some Skydrol Salesman
talked the Director of Maint. into changing the entire fleet 727's DC8's
Electras to Skydrol, Within two weeks time we were Popping HYD. Systems all
over the System. Apparently they didn't know about the O-Ring Seals being
different. They had to change every Seal, And that is a lot of O-Rings.
I guess I went a little wordy here, Sorry.
We Miss Dick Wortinger.
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