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1. 06:09 AM - Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot (Moe)
2. 06:15 AM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (Moe)
3. 06:16 AM - Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (Jim Addington)
5. 09:57 AM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (John Vormbaum)
6. 04:37 PM - Jimmy (Bill Bow)
7. 06:19 PM - Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot (Ray Mansfied)
8. 06:20 PM - Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot (Ray Mansfied)
9. 06:21 PM - Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot (Ray Mansfied)
10. 07:03 PM - Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs (Stan)
11. 10:12 PM - Re: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs (Tom Fisher)
12. 10:24 PM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
13. 10:46 PM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (nico css)
14. 11:18 PM - Re: Skydrol or 5606? (CloudCraft@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Ray,
I have two of the 5536 units. One is good and the other has a couple of
parts missing (it has been robbed). Also, I have the original pilots
manual, complete over haul manual (which I paid $ 200.00 +) and some trim
servos and parts, and primary servos and parts, along with trim servo and
primary servo home made test rigs. There are also many spare parts in my
"collection". $ 1,500 takes the whole lot.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
>
> Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone
out there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a
while ago. One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop,
the guy's worked on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired
but needed the computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to sell
and the price. I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> hcourier@cox.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Don,
I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
regardless. I have the two New York Air Brake pumps, and with 3,100 lbs
pressure you still can not get the plane to roll on one engine, although the
front wheel will turn quite nicely. If you shut one engine down during taxi
things are just fine as long as you don't come to a complete stop.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod"
<dongirod@earthlink.net>
>
> Commanderland;
>
> Since everyone is talking about hydraulics, I have a question. My 560E
> with its 1000-1200 PSI will not turn the nose wheel if the airplane is not
> moving. Is this normal? Or do I have a problem and need to do something?
> I normal just use differential power and or brakes, but it would be a
> problem if I ever needed to taxi with only one engine.
>
> Don
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 5/14/2005 12:05:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 14-May-05 08:46:34 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > Any comments on changing to 5606?
> > >
> > A few ...
> >
> > 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
> commonality
> > throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing
gear
> > struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
> > knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
> Monsanto's
> > Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
> >
> > Changing isn't as easy as it sounds. The entire system has to be
> thoroughly
> > flushed a few times and although I used to think Skydrol seals and O
> rings
> > could be compatible with 5606, I've been told that's not true -- so
> you'll have
> > to change all of those.
> >
> > If you do that, you'll have an airplane that's not going to get paint
> > stripped every time some (hydraulic) fluid drips or leaks, maintenance
> technicians
> > will be happier and you'll have a cheaper and more available fluid.
> >
> > To be fair, if you use Skydrol B, it's supposed to be less harmful than
> the
> > earlier version and it is used in lots of current production jets, so
> it's not
> > a rare as some would like to say.
> >
> > From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi
> hydraulic
> > Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's better
> > flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being
> developed around
> > that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr.
> RPM
> > with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational need
> for
> > Skydrol.
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:16:07 -0500
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
rm, jerry sprayberry bought my m4 unit complete. you might contact him. mason
2001m
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfied<mailto:hcourier@cox.net>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net<mailto:hcourier@cox.net>>
Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone out
there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a while ago.
One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop, the guy's worked
on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired but needed the
computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to sell and the price.
I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier@cox.net<mailto:hcourier@cox.net>
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| Subject: | Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
You can taxi on one engine from a standing start but you have to go in a
circle until you have some speed, then you can go where you want as long as
you maintain speed. At least it worked on my 500A.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Don,
I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
regardless. I have the two New York Air Brake pumps, and with 3,100 lbs
pressure you still can not get the plane to roll on one engine, although the
front wheel will turn quite nicely. If you shut one engine down during taxi
things are just fine as long as you don't come to a complete stop.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod"
<dongirod@earthlink.net>
>
> Commanderland;
>
> Since everyone is talking about hydraulics, I have a question. My 560E
> with its 1000-1200 PSI will not turn the nose wheel if the airplane is not
> moving. Is this normal? Or do I have a problem and need to do something?
> I normal just use differential power and or brakes, but it would be a
> problem if I ever needed to taxi with only one engine.
>
> Don
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 5/14/2005 12:05:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 14-May-05 08:46:34 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > Any comments on changing to 5606?
> > >
> > A few ...
> >
> > 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
> commonality
> > throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing
gear
> > struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
> > knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
> Monsanto's
> > Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
> >
> > Changing isn't as easy as it sounds. The entire system has to be
> thoroughly
> > flushed a few times and although I used to think Skydrol seals and O
> rings
> > could be compatible with 5606, I've been told that's not true -- so
> you'll have
> > to change all of those.
> >
> > If you do that, you'll have an airplane that's not going to get paint
> > stripped every time some (hydraulic) fluid drips or leaks, maintenance
> technicians
> > will be happier and you'll have a cheaper and more available fluid.
> >
> > To be fair, if you use Skydrol B, it's supposed to be less harmful than
> the
> > earlier version and it is used in lots of current production jets, so
> it's not
> > a rare as some would like to say.
> >
> > From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi
> hydraulic
> > Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's better
> > flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being
> developed around
> > that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr.
> RPM
> > with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational need
> for
> > Skydrol.
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
During my training, we feathered a prop and couldn't get it un-feathered. On
a taxiway, from a complete stop, John Meredith was able to U-Turn my
airplane in its own radius and taxi back. The most impressive part? He had
to turn INTO the running engine and it WORKED!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> You can taxi on one engine from a standing start but you have to go in a
> circle until you have some speed, then you can go where you want as long
as
> you maintain speed. At least it worked on my 500A.
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> Don,
>
> I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
> regardless. I have the two New York Air Brake pumps, and with 3,100 lbs
> pressure you still can not get the plane to roll on one engine, although
the
> front wheel will turn quite nicely. If you shut one engine down during
taxi
> things are just fine as long as you don't come to a complete stop.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod@earthlink.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod"
> <dongirod@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Commanderland;
> >
> > Since everyone is talking about hydraulics, I have a question. My 560E
> > with its 1000-1200 PSI will not turn the nose wheel if the airplane is
not
> > moving. Is this normal? Or do I have a problem and need to do
something?
> > I normal just use differential power and or brakes, but it would be a
> > problem if I ever needed to taxi with only one engine.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Date: 5/14/2005 12:05:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> > >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 14-May-05 08:46:34 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > > Any comments on changing to 5606?
> > > >
> > > A few ...
> > >
> > > 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
> > commonality
> > > throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing
> gear
> > > struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To
my
> > > knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that
was
> > Monsanto's
> > > Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
> > >
> > > Changing isn't as easy as it sounds. The entire system has to be
> > thoroughly
> > > flushed a few times and although I used to think Skydrol seals and O
> > rings
> > > could be compatible with 5606, I've been told that's not true -- so
> > you'll have
> > > to change all of those.
> > >
> > > If you do that, you'll have an airplane that's not going to get paint
> > > stripped every time some (hydraulic) fluid drips or leaks, maintenance
> > technicians
> > > will be happier and you'll have a cheaper and more available fluid.
> > >
> > > To be fair, if you use Skydrol B, it's supposed to be less harmful
than
> > the
> > > earlier version and it is used in lots of current production jets, so
> > it's not
> > > a rare as some would like to say.
> > >
> > > From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi
> > hydraulic
> > > Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's
better
> > > flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being
> > developed around
> > > that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr.
> > RPM
> > > with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational
need
> > for
> > > Skydrol.
> > >
> > > Wing Commander Gordon
> > >
> > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Jimmy Rodriguez, Where are you?
bilbo
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Hi Moe,
Thanks for the information. I found what I needed through a guy in
Ferandina Beach, FL. Hopefully the old M4 in the Aero Commander 680 I fly
will work now. It's down for some engine work so may be a while before I
get to try it out. Thanks for the reply. I'll keep in mind your M4
autopilot stuff in case another need arises.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> Ray,
>
> I have two of the 5536 units. One is good and the other has a couple of
> parts missing (it has been robbed). Also, I have the original pilots
> manual, complete over haul manual (which I paid $ 200.00 +) and some trim
> servos and parts, and primary servos and parts, along with trim servo and
> primary servo home made test rigs. There are also many spare parts in my
> "collection". $ 1,500 takes the whole lot.
>
> Moe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
>>
>> Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone
> out there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a
> while ago. One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop,
> the guy's worked on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired
> but needed the computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to
> sell
> and the price. I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
>>
>> Ray Mansfield
>> hcourier@cox.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the information. I found what I needed through a guy in
Ferandina Beach, FL. Hopefully the old M4 in the Aero Commander 680 I fly
will work now. It's down for some engine work so may be a while before I
get to try it out. Thanks for the reply.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> <jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> Ray,
> I don't know what Mason Chevillier had in his, or the condition, but I
> know
> he changed to a new one. He has a 680FP.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
>
> Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone
> out there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a
> while ago. One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop,
> the guy's worked on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired
> but needed the computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to
> sell
> and the price. I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> hcourier@cox.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
Hi Tylor,
Thanks for the information. I found what I needed through a guy in
Ferandina Beach, FL. Hopefully the old M4 in the Aero Commander 680 I fly
will work now. It's down for some engine work so may be a while before I
get to try it out. Moe Mills emailed me also and he had lots of stuff for
the M4. Thanks for the reply.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall"
> <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Ray,
> You may want to contact Moe Mills. He just took his M4 out of his 680FP.
> He may be willing to part with parts and the manual. Make him an offer.
>
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier@cox.net>
>
> Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone
> out there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a
> while ago. One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop,
> the guy's worked on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired
> but needed the computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to
> sell
> and the price. I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> hcourier@cox.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan" <swperk@earthlink.net>
Hi all,
I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct replacements
for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our Commanders.
Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will never
burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the bulbs
in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter and
easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
locked.
I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to sell
them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but for
reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
again!
If you're interested, please e-mail me.
Stan
N548GQ
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| Subject: | Re: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sounds great, do you know of any for the over head ceiling lights?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk@earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan" <swperk@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct replacements
> for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our Commanders.
> Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
> color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
> immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will never
> burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the bulbs
> in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter and
> easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
> bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
> locked.
>
> I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to sell
> them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
> bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but for
> reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
> distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
> again!
>
> If you're interested, please e-mail me.
>
> Stan
> N548GQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 5/16/2005 6:15:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
moe@rosspistons.com writes:
I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
regardless.
Actually, you can. I have managed to do it a couple of times when ferrying
old Commanders. The trick is that the nosewheel steering must be in good
working order and adjusted properly. If it is, no sweat.
The other side of the equation is taxing with both engines and no
steering........... on ice. The nose wheel won't center unless it has some
traction. I ferried an old 680 out of Winnipeg Canada and had to taxi in circles
until I could get the nosewheel to a little patch of bare pavement. jb
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| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
There is a picture of an older Commander in flight with one prop completely
removed, running on one engine only, demonstrating its exceptional handling
qualities. It had to taxi and negotiate a full take off run on one engine. I
am not aware of any other plane ever doing that.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 5/16/2005 6:15:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> moe@rosspistons.com writes:
>
> I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
> regardless.
>
>
> Actually, you can. I have managed to do it a couple of times when
ferrying
> old Commanders. The trick is that the nosewheel steering must be in good
> working order and adjusted properly. If it is, no sweat.
> The other side of the equation is taxing with both engines and no
> steering........... on ice. The nose wheel won't center unless it has
some
> traction. I ferried an old 680 out of Winnipeg Canada and had to taxi in
circles
> until I could get the nosewheel to a little patch of bare pavement. jb
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 16-May-05 22:49:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
There is a picture of an older Commander in flight with one prop completely
removed, running on one engine only, demonstrating its exceptional handling
qualities. It had to taxi and negotiate a full take off run on one engine. I
am not aware of any other plane ever doing that.
Nico,
That was the prototype model with a lot less power than the production model
-- the AC-520.
Still, it was quite the stunt, aimed at getting the Pentagon's attention,
which it did.
When I flew in Alaska, one of the guys I rode with told me of "escaping" the
North Slope in a Cessna 402 with only one engine that would start. Negative
density altitude due to temperatures, a runway made of acres of frozen tundra
and he got airborne and flew to Fairbanks.
Not as elegant as rolling an early Commander down Downtown Airpark's runway
with one prop removed, is it?
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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