---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/02/05: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:55 AM - The Future of the TCFG (Barry Hancock) 2. 12:20 PM - Aerocommander.com (Chris Wall) 3. 12:35 PM - Re: Aerocommander.com (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 4. 12:36 PM - Re: Aerocommander.com (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 5. 01:13 PM - Re: Aerocommander.com (nico css) 6. 03:21 PM - Re: Aerocommander.com (Chris Schuermann) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:40 AM PST US From: Barry Hancock Subject: Commander-List: The Future of the TCFG --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock Gang, As my 680E is still not back together (money, time, priorities, etc.) I have not been very active on this list or in the community. However, I still check my messages most every day. I have a little experience in running type specific aircraft associations and would like to tell you what works for us. First of all, one man CANNOT do it alone. Period. The efforts by Capt. Jimbob have been Herculean, but it will *never* get the job done to the level it needs to be....it is simply way more work than one person can do, even if he were to devote his life to it. There needs to be a volunteer organization developed to delegate responsibility and allow for oversight. The Red Star Pilots Association has a board of directors and regional coordinators. We are currently making the transition to having the RC's become the BoD as it allows for balanced input and keeps the BoD "in the mix" of the community. Furthermore, our web site (despite its weaknesses...it isn't the easiest site to navigate) has an incredible amount of useful information from transition training, to maintenance...all the way up to how to put on a fly-in. Now, there is a lot more inherent "togetherness" in a warbird community because we fly formation, perform at and attend air shows, etc., etc. but there is no reason that, as some have suggested, the pie can't be divided up so that Jimbob doesn't get a stomach ache from eating the whole thing every day. I guarantee there is enough talent in this group. I would love to offer my services at this point to help out, but between starting a new business, taking over another one, my RPA responsibilities, and most importantly taking care of my family, I simply do not have time. I am willing to help advise if that is something that is needed. There is nothing more fun in aviation than an actively involved community that gets together on a regular basis to share knowledge and enjoy the camaraderie built on the mutual love of great airplanes. Many of my best friends are a direct result of such a group, and they are coast to coast. There is no reason a group flying the best light twin in the world shouldn't have the same.... Cheers, Barry Barry Hancock President/CEO Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. 1-866-L39-JETS cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com www.sharedsquadrons.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:40 PM PST US From: "Chris Wall" Subject: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com --> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" I too share the same frustrations and hopes that jimbob does. The commander group is an amazing collection of characters. Most of us have two things in common, the general public doesn't understand us and we love commanders. I found it much easier to find time to update the website and post to the chat group when I was making my living working on and flying commanders. The one thing I noticed is with few expectations, most of the people working on Commanders can't afford to own a Commander. Wanting to one day be a Commander owner again, I made the decision to make a career change in hopes of finding a more profitable way of making a living. The fact that I am still paying for the adventures when I had a Commander doesn't help either. I am more than happy to host the website on our server which I have done as a donation to the group for several years now. I keep meaning to find the time to update it and add new features, but I have failed miserablely at allocating the time. If there is anyone out there with basic html skills, that has more time and gumption than I do, I can gladly grant you access to the server to makes updates, or send them to me and I will get it added to the site. In my opinion the most important goals of the group were best stated in a letter I received from John Towner. 1) To help Aero Commander owners find parts and vendors to help keep the Aero Commander Fleet Flying 2)To help Aero Commander owners have input and a voice with the FAA and TCAC on proposed AD's and existing AD's 3)To help Aero Commander owners share information about their aircraft for the benefit of all. I will also attempt to follow up with John and see if he has complied the list of preferred vendors and suppliers that we talked about at the flyin. I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have a treasure chest of information on the website that is available in a members only section. Unfortunately it takes time or money to make that happen. As long as Chris S allows us to continue hosting the site the server and the bandwidth will be available for free to the TCFG. One offer I can extend to everybody and anybody is the offer to have your own directory on the aerocommander.com site that you can post your own pics, stories and anything related to commanders. Now nobody can complain about the lack of updates because you yourself are just as responsible. I will before the end of the weekend have a new plane of the month up on the website. I have just unilaterally decided that it is going to be N333BE. She is a 500A with the Colemill Conversion, and belongs to Bill Boughan in Orlando, FL. She does have a bit of an attitude problem, but most good looking girls do. I have numerous great shots of her and a few good stories to share, stay tuned. Chris Wall ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:58 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" CW, EXCITEMENT PREVAILS. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Wall To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com --> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" > I too share the same frustrations and hopes that jimbob does. The commander group is an amazing collection of characters. Most of us have two things in common, the general public doesn't understand us and we love commanders. I found it much easier to find time to update the website and post to the chat group when I was making my living working on and flying commanders. The one thing I noticed is with few expectations, most of the people working on Commanders can't afford to own a Commander. Wanting to one day be a Commander owner again, I made the decision to make a career change in hopes of finding a more profitable way of making a living. The fact that I am still paying for the adventures when I had a Commander doesn't help either. I am more than happy to host the website on our server which I have done as a donation to the group for several years now. I keep meaning to find the time to update it and add new features, but I have failed miserablely at allocating the time. If there is anyone out there with basic html skills, that has more time and gumption than I do, I can gladly grant you access to the server to makes updates, or send them to me and I will get it added to the site. In my opinion the most important goals of the group were best stated in a letter I received from John Towner. 1) To help Aero Commander owners find parts and vendors to help keep the Aero Commander Fleet Flying 2)To help Aero Commander owners have input and a voice with the FAA and TCAC on proposed AD's and existing AD's 3)To help Aero Commander owners share information about their aircraft for the benefit of all. I will also attempt to follow up with John and see if he has complied the list of preferred vendors and suppliers that we talked about at the flyin. I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have a treasure chest of information on the website that is available in a members only section. Unfortunately it takes time or money to make that happen. As long as Chris S allows us to continue hosting the site the server and the bandwidth will be available for free to the TCFG. One offer I can extend to everybody and anybody is the offer to have your own directory on the aerocommander.com site that you can post your own pics, stories and anything related to commanders. Now nobody can complain about the lack of updates because you yourself are just as responsible. I will before the end of the weekend have a new plane of the month up on the website. I have just unilaterally decided that it is going to be N333BE. She is a 500A with the Colemill Conversion, and belongs to Bill Boughan in Orlando, FL. She does have a bit of an attitude problem, but most good looking girls do. I have numerous great shots of her and a few good stories to share, stay tuned. Chris Wall ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:51 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" CW, ENTHUSIASM SHOULD FOLLOW. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Wall To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com --> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" > I too share the same frustrations and hopes that jimbob does. The commander group is an amazing collection of characters. Most of us have two things in common, the general public doesn't understand us and we love commanders. I found it much easier to find time to update the website and post to the chat group when I was making my living working on and flying commanders. The one thing I noticed is with few expectations, most of the people working on Commanders can't afford to own a Commander. Wanting to one day be a Commander owner again, I made the decision to make a career change in hopes of finding a more profitable way of making a living. The fact that I am still paying for the adventures when I had a Commander doesn't help either. I am more than happy to host the website on our server which I have done as a donation to the group for several years now. I keep meaning to find the time to update it and add new features, but I have failed miserablely at allocating the time. If there is anyone out there with basic html skills, that has more time and gumption than I do, I can gladly grant you access to the server to makes updates, or send them to me and I will get it added to the site. In my opinion the most important goals of the group were best stated in a letter I received from John Towner. 1) To help Aero Commander owners find parts and vendors to help keep the Aero Commander Fleet Flying 2)To help Aero Commander owners have input and a voice with the FAA and TCAC on proposed AD's and existing AD's 3)To help Aero Commander owners share information about their aircraft for the benefit of all. I will also attempt to follow up with John and see if he has complied the list of preferred vendors and suppliers that we talked about at the flyin. I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have a treasure chest of information on the website that is available in a members only section. Unfortunately it takes time or money to make that happen. As long as Chris S allows us to continue hosting the site the server and the bandwidth will be available for free to the TCFG. One offer I can extend to everybody and anybody is the offer to have your own directory on the aerocommander.com site that you can post your own pics, stories and anything related to commanders. Now nobody can complain about the lack of updates because you yourself are just as responsible. I will before the end of the weekend have a new plane of the month up on the website. I have just unilaterally decided that it is going to be N333BE. She is a 500A with the Colemill Conversion, and belongs to Bill Boughan in Orlando, FL. She does have a bit of an attitude problem, but most good looking girls do. I have numerous great shots of her and a few good stories to share, stay tuned. Chris Wall ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:52 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Chris, I am making a living writing, among other, in HTML and many other languages. Although time is never a loose commodity for hourly paid contractors, I would consider it a privilege to spend time on the site. If you concur, and do not have any better offers, send to me the FTP access details off line and I will start cleaning it up and building new features into the site. The standard practice is to make changes in a development site, roll them out to a staging site where others approve of the changes and once there is a signoff, the new version is rolled out to the public site. We can discuss this procedure if you wish to take me up on my offer. Let me know. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Wall" Subject: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" > > I too share the same frustrations and hopes that jimbob does. The > commander group is an amazing collection of characters. Most of us > have two things in common, the general public doesn't understand us > and we love commanders. I found it much easier to find time to update > the website and post to the chat group when I was making my living > working on and flying commanders. The one thing I noticed is with few > expectations, most of the people working on Commanders can't afford to > own a Commander. Wanting to one day be a Commander owner again, I made > the decision to make a career change in hopes of finding a more profitable > way of making a living. The fact that I am still paying for the adventures > when I had a Commander doesn't help either. > > I am more than happy to host the website on our server which I have > done as a donation to the group for several years now. I keep meaning > to find the time to update it and add new features, but I have failed > miserablely at allocating the time. If there is anyone out there with > basic html skills, that has more time and gumption than I do, I can > gladly grant you access to the server to makes updates, or send them > to me and I will get it added to the site. In my opinion the most > important goals of the group were best stated in a letter I received > from John Towner. > > 1) To help Aero Commander owners find parts and vendors to help keep > the Aero Commander Fleet Flying > > 2)To help Aero Commander owners have input and a voice with the FAA > and TCAC on proposed AD's and existing AD's > > 3)To help Aero Commander owners share information about their aircraft > for the benefit of all. > > I will also attempt to follow up with John and see if he has complied > the list of preferred vendors and suppliers that we talked about at > the flyin. > > I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have > a treasure chest of information on the website that is available in a > members only section. Unfortunately it takes time or money to make > that happen. As long as Chris S allows us to continue hosting the > site the server and the bandwidth will be available for free to the > TCFG. One offer I can extend to everybody and anybody is the offer to > have your own directory on the aerocommander.com site that you can post > your own pics, stories and anything related to commanders. Now nobody can > complain about the lack of updates because you yourself are just as responsible. > > I will before the end of the weekend have a new plane of the month up > on the website. I have just unilaterally decided that it is going to > be N333BE. She is a 500A with the Colemill Conversion, and belongs to > Bill Boughan in Orlando, FL. She does have a bit of an attitude > problem, but most good looking girls do. I have numerous great shots > of her and a few good stories to share, stay tuned. > > Chris Wall > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:17 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Chris Wall wrote: > I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have > a treasure chest of information on the website Absolutely Chris! Couldn't agree with you more! May I suggest something along the lines of the "Viking Reference Room": http://home.att.net/~vikingdrvr/rr.html Some time ago, I compiled a summary list of all the ADs, SBs, and SLs in the format they used. I think I emailed it to you as a tar file, but that's been so long ago that I don't remember for certain. I hope you have it as I can't find it now. (would be a shame if it was lost because I put a HUGE effort into it). Sounds like there are several people willing to assist and it'll be great to see some new life breathed into the web site! I'm excited. Chris S.