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1. 09:37 AM - Re: NewsLetter (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
2. 10:03 AM - Re: NewsLetter & SB223 (CloudCraft@aol.com)
3. 10:23 AM - Blow Ups (Moe)
4. 10:44 AM - Re: Blow Ups (Tom Fisher)
5. 10:51 AM - Re: Blow Ups (RRamm52@cs.com)
6. 11:09 AM - Re: Blow Ups (Moe)
7. 11:21 AM - Re: Blow Ups (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 11:53 AM - Re: Blow Ups (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
9. 12:32 PM - Re: Blow Ups (Chris Schuermann)
10. 12:33 PM - 500A Aero Commander Article (BertBerry1@aol.com)
11. 12:36 PM - Re: Blow Ups (Bobby Sather)
12. 12:39 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (BertBerry1@aol.com)
13. 12:56 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (steve)
14. 01:32 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
15. 03:00 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (nico css)
16. 04:29 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (Bobby Sather)
17. 04:29 PM - Re: Blow Ups (Moe)
18. 06:15 PM - Re: Blow Ups (CloudCraft@aol.com)
19. 06:45 PM - Re: Blow Ups (Bill Bow)
20. 09:48 PM - Re: NewsLetter (W J R HAMILTON)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 6/13/2005 9:29:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net writes:
1. The trim actuator from Central Air, is this the cause/solution of Larry
Wokrals frozen trim when he lost an engine a few month ago?
2. AD98-08-19 (SB223), Is this the wing attachment point near the
leading
edge of the wing where they cut a hole in the leading edge and add a patch?
John talked about doing the inspection from inside the cabin with a bore
scope device?
Yes, this is the part that freezes in icing. No, Replacing it with a new
one probably wont solve the problem. The turbo Commanders (certified into
known ice) have a heated boot that covers the trim system.
Yes, SB 223 is the leading edge inspection doors. The AD only effects
airplanes with 6000hr TT or more and is repeated every 1000hr. Instead of adding
the doors (not possible with John's TKS de-ice system), he has approval to do
the inspection with a Bore-scope making only a small, round hole. This AD
should never have happened. It occurred before my tenure with the group.
Unfortunate, now we must live with it forever. jb
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| Subject: | Re: NewsLetter & SB223 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 14-Jun-05 09:37:47 Pacific Daylight Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com
writes:
This AD should never have happened. It occurred before my tenure with the
group.
When SB 223 was proposed, many of us (TCFG, Dick Wartinger of Commander-Aero,
John Towner) made quite a ruckus.
Dick Wartinger's assessment was that the brackets that were showing up
cracked were probably cracked during the aircraft's manufacture.
However, at the time (1996-1998), Twin Commander Aircraft Corp. was dealing
with a bucket full of aging aircraft issues and it's my opinion that SB-223 was
released as a C-Y-A, just as the wing spar inspection was as much a data
gathering look at the fleet as it was a structural look inside.
I'm glad that John Towner has made many of his mods and inspection processes
available to the general Aero Commander public. He's a great guy.
Speaking of truly great guys, I received my news letter as well and was
completely blown away by the news that Russell Legg maneuvered to save s/n#1 in
Japan.
After the chatter on this email net died down, I figured she was doomed. I
am elated that she's still around. Well done, Mr. Legg!
Capt. JimBob, the newsletter looks better and better with each issue and I
salute you. I'm also sending in my membership dues.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Fellow Commander drivers:
Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from blowing up
when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had several food items,
two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink cartridges from my
portable printer blow up.
Thanks!
Moe
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Move the items to the pressurized portion of the aircraft or unseal
everything.
Tom F.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Blow Ups
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> Fellow Commander drivers:
>
> Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
blowing up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had
several food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink
cartridges from my portable printer blow up.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moe
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
In a message dated 6/14/2005 12:26:06 PM Central Standard Time,
moe@rosspistons.com writes:
> Fellow Commander drivers:
>
> Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from blowing
> up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had several
> food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink cartridges
> from my portable printer blow up.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moe
Hi, Moe
Without saying buy a 720, FLP, etc. there's no other way except get a 5
gallon pressure vessel such as a paint pressure cannister with screw down locking
bolts and put your stuff in it. When I pack lotions, shampoo, etc, I only bring
half full ones, expel most of the air and then put them in my overnight
bag..........
Rob
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Tom,
Thanks, but ever try to transport unsealed paint in the front, and my potato
chips get stale opened. I had in mind some type of container.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> Move the items to the pressurized portion of the aircraft or unseal
> everything.
> Tom F.
> C-GISS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
> >
> > Fellow Commander drivers:
> >
> > Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> blowing up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had
> several food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink
> cartridges from my portable printer blow up.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Moe
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
moe@rosistons.com writes:
Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> blowing up when flying at altitude.
Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you lost
your mind?
I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want to
turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to
suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd
want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too Expensive)
stores of that type.
What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids just
a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items such
as ink
cartridges ... are a problem.
Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can buy
what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS ground in
advance.
There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough money.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
KG, YOU CAN FIND WATER TIGHT SEALED CONTAINERS MILITARY SURPLUS THAT WILL ALSO
WORK. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD SINCE WE PAID FOR THEM ALREADY. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft@aol.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft@aol.com>
In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
moe@rosistons.com<mailto:moe@rosistons.com> writes:
Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> blowing up when flying at altitude.
Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you lost
your mind?
I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want to
turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to
suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd
want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too Expensive)
stores of that type.
What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids just
a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items such
as ink
cartridges ... are a problem.
Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can buy
what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS ground
in
advance.
There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough money.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to
> suitcase sized.
You're probably thinking of "Pelican", Keith. We use a lot of their
cases to put custom electronic doo-dads in. VERY nice, very robust and
they're not terribly expensive if you buy through industrial outlets
rather than Sharper Image type places.
http://www.pelicanproducts.us
Chris
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| Subject: | 500A Aero Commander Article |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the
500A if anyone is interested.
If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is not
on purpose.
Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you
have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
Thanks,
Bert
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" <sather@charter.net>
The military unit with four snap locks on the lid work real good. Went
from Vernal Utah to New Port beach with my regulator and other equipment
and had a tough time getting the lid off. So I am sure it would hold
pressure going the other way.
Bobby
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
<Kamala@msn.com>
KG, YOU CAN FIND WATER TIGHT SEALED CONTAINERS MILITARY SURPLUS THAT
WILL ALSO WORK. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD SINCE WE PAID FOR THEM ALREADY.
MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft@aol.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
--> Commander-List message posted by:
CloudCraft@aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft@aol.com>
In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
moe@rosistons.com<mailto:moe@rosistons.com> writes:
Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> blowing up when flying at altitude.
Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have
you lost
your mind?
I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't
want to
turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera
sized to
suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that
you'd
want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too
Expensive)
stores of that type.
What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the
lids just
a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed
items such as ink
cartridges ... are a problem.
Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You
can buy
what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS
ground in
advance.
There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough
money.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: 500A Aero Commander Article |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
Not to be confused with the March 1960 "500" Report from last week.
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| Subject: | 500A Aero Commander Article |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
Bert, I think I do have enough space. Please send off list to
steveg@nternet.com
Thanks,
AC500 N6291B L31 St. Tammany
A35 N49KB Same
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1@aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the
500A if anyone is interested.
If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is
not
on purpose.
Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you
have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
Thanks,
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: 500A Aero Commander Article |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
BB, I WOULD LIKE ONE ALSO. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: steve<mailto:steveg@nternet.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com<mailto:steveg@nternet.com>>
Bert, I think I do have enough space. Please send off list to
steveg@nternet.com<mailto:steveg@nternet.com>
Thanks,
AC500 N6291B L31 St. Tammany
A35 N49KB Same
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1@aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1@aol.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1@aol.com>
OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the
500A if anyone is interested.
If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is
not
on purpose.
Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you
have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
Thanks,
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: 500A Aero Commander Article |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I'd like to have one.
Thanks Bert.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
> --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
>
> OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on
the
> 500A if anyone is interested.
>
> If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is
not
> on purpose.
>
> Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure
you
> have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
>
>
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| Subject: | 500A Aero Commander Article |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" <sather@charter.net>
Bert, I would appreciate getting the 1960 Flying report. Please send to
Sigurdls@yahoo.com
Thank you
Bobby
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1@aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on
the
500A if anyone is interested.
If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it
is not
on purpose.
Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure
you
have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
Thanks,
Bert
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Thanks guys! I had forgotten about the old military cases that we used for
our race car parts at Bonneville back in the mid '70's. Tomorrow I will hit
the local military surplus store.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Sather" <sather@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blow Ups
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" <sather@charter.net>
>
> The military unit with four snap locks on the lid work real good. Went
> from Vernal Utah to New Port beach with my regulator and other equipment
> and had a tough time getting the lid off. So I am sure it would hold
> pressure going the other way.
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
> CHEVAILLIER
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
> <Kamala@msn.com>
>
> KG, YOU CAN FIND WATER TIGHT SEALED CONTAINERS MILITARY SURPLUS THAT
> WILL ALSO WORK. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD SINCE WE PAID FOR THEM ALREADY.
> MASON
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: CloudCraft@aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft@aol.com>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by:
> CloudCraft@aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft@aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
> moe@rosistons.com<mailto:moe@rosistons.com> writes:
> Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> > blowing up when flying at altitude.
>
> Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have
> you lost
> your mind?
>
> I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't
> want to
> turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
>
> There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera
> sized to
> suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that
> you'd
> want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
>
> I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too
> Expensive)
> stores of that type.
>
> What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
>
> As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the
> lids just
> a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
> temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed
> items such as ink
> cartridges ... are a problem.
>
> Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You
> can buy
> what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS
> ground in
> advance.
>
> There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough
> money.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>>>
Those are the ones, Chris. Excellent. Thanks.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
UPS Ground!!! I'm not going to get my overhaul that way.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
> moe@rosistons.com writes:
> Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
>> blowing up when flying at altitude.
>
> Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you
> lost
> your mind?
>
> I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want
> to
> turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
>
> There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized
> to
> suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd
> want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
>
> I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too
> Expensive)
> stores of that type.
>
> What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
>
> As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids
> just
> a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
> temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items
> such as ink
> cartridges ... are a problem.
>
> Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can
> buy
> what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS
> ground in
> advance.
>
> There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough
> money.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Folks,
As I recall, there is a provision in the FARs to review ADs.
Is this a suitable subject for such an application to be made.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 02:36 15/06/2005, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 6/13/2005 9:29:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>1. The trim actuator from Central Air, is this the cause/solution of Larry
>Wokrals frozen trim when he lost an engine a few month ago?
>
>2. AD98-08-19 (SB223), Is this the wing attachment point near the
>leading
>edge of the wing where they cut a hole in the leading edge and add a patch?
>John talked about doing the inspection from inside the cabin with a bore
>scope device?
>
>
>Yes, this is the part that freezes in icing. No, Replacing it with a new
>one probably wont solve the problem. The turbo Commanders (certified into
>known ice) have a heated boot that covers the trim system.
>
>Yes, SB 223 is the leading edge inspection doors. The AD only effects
>airplanes with 6000hr TT or more and is repeated every 1000hr. Instead
>of adding
>the doors (not possible with John's TKS de-ice system), he has
>approval to do
>the inspection with a Bore-scope making only a small, round hole. This AD
>should never have happened. It occurred before my tenure with the group.
>Unfortunate, now we must live with it forever. jb
>
>
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