---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/14/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:37 AM - Re: NewsLetter (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 2. 10:03 AM - Re: NewsLetter & SB223 (CloudCraft@aol.com) 3. 10:23 AM - Blow Ups (Moe) 4. 10:44 AM - Re: Blow Ups (Tom Fisher) 5. 10:51 AM - Re: Blow Ups (RRamm52@cs.com) 6. 11:09 AM - Re: Blow Ups (Moe) 7. 11:21 AM - Re: Blow Ups (CloudCraft@aol.com) 8. 11:53 AM - Re: Blow Ups (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 9. 12:32 PM - Re: Blow Ups (Chris Schuermann) 10. 12:33 PM - 500A Aero Commander Article (BertBerry1@aol.com) 11. 12:36 PM - Re: Blow Ups (Bobby Sather) 12. 12:39 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (BertBerry1@aol.com) 13. 12:56 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (steve) 14. 01:32 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 15. 03:00 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (nico css) 16. 04:29 PM - Re: 500A Aero Commander Article (Bobby Sather) 17. 04:29 PM - Re: Blow Ups (Moe) 18. 06:15 PM - Re: Blow Ups (CloudCraft@aol.com) 19. 06:45 PM - Re: Blow Ups (Bill Bow) 20. 09:48 PM - Re: NewsLetter (W J R HAMILTON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:05 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: NewsLetter --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 6/13/2005 9:29:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net writes: 1. The trim actuator from Central Air, is this the cause/solution of Larry Wokrals frozen trim when he lost an engine a few month ago? 2. AD98-08-19 (SB223), Is this the wing attachment point near the leading edge of the wing where they cut a hole in the leading edge and add a patch? John talked about doing the inspection from inside the cabin with a bore scope device? Yes, this is the part that freezes in icing. No, Replacing it with a new one probably wont solve the problem. The turbo Commanders (certified into known ice) have a heated boot that covers the trim system. Yes, SB 223 is the leading edge inspection doors. The AD only effects airplanes with 6000hr TT or more and is repeated every 1000hr. Instead of adding the doors (not possible with John's TKS de-ice system), he has approval to do the inspection with a Bore-scope making only a small, round hole. This AD should never have happened. It occurred before my tenure with the group. Unfortunate, now we must live with it forever. jb ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:50 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: NewsLetter & SB223 --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 14-Jun-05 09:37:47 Pacific Daylight Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com writes: This AD should never have happened. It occurred before my tenure with the group. When SB 223 was proposed, many of us (TCFG, Dick Wartinger of Commander-Aero, John Towner) made quite a ruckus. Dick Wartinger's assessment was that the brackets that were showing up cracked were probably cracked during the aircraft's manufacture. However, at the time (1996-1998), Twin Commander Aircraft Corp. was dealing with a bucket full of aging aircraft issues and it's my opinion that SB-223 was released as a C-Y-A, just as the wing spar inspection was as much a data gathering look at the fleet as it was a structural look inside. I'm glad that John Towner has made many of his mods and inspection processes available to the general Aero Commander public. He's a great guy. Speaking of truly great guys, I received my news letter as well and was completely blown away by the news that Russell Legg maneuvered to save s/n#1 in Japan. After the chatter on this email net died down, I figured she was doomed. I am elated that she's still around. Well done, Mr. Legg! Capt. JimBob, the newsletter looks better and better with each issue and I salute you. I'm also sending in my membership dues. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:49 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Commander-List: Blow Ups 1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2 Contains possible adult words --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Fellow Commander drivers: Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from blowing up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had several food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink cartridges from my portable printer blow up. Thanks! Moe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:19 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Move the items to the pressurized portion of the aircraft or unseal everything. Tom F. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" Subject: Commander-List: Blow Ups > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > Fellow Commander drivers: > > Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from blowing up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had several food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink cartridges from my portable printer blow up. > > Thanks! > > Moe > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:47 AM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com In a message dated 6/14/2005 12:26:06 PM Central Standard Time, moe@rosspistons.com writes: > Fellow Commander drivers: > > Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from blowing > up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had several > food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink cartridges > from my portable printer blow up. > > Thanks! > > Moe Hi, Moe Without saying buy a 720, FLP, etc. there's no other way except get a 5 gallon pressure vessel such as a paint pressure cannister with screw down locking bolts and put your stuff in it. When I pack lotions, shampoo, etc, I only bring half full ones, expel most of the air and then put them in my overnight bag.......... Rob ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:49 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Tom, Thanks, but ever try to transport unsealed paint in the front, and my potato chips get stale opened. I had in mind some type of container. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > Move the items to the pressurized portion of the aircraft or unseal > everything. > Tom F. > C-GISS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Blow Ups > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > > > Fellow Commander drivers: > > > > Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from > blowing up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had > several food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink > cartridges from my portable printer blow up. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Moe > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:24 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time, moe@rosistons.com writes: Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from > blowing up when flying at altitude. Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you lost your mind? I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want to turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone. There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree. I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too Expensive) stores of that type. What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long. As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids just a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items such as ink cartridges ... are a problem. Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can buy what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS ground in advance. There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough money. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:03 AM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" KG, YOU CAN FIND WATER TIGHT SEALED CONTAINERS MILITARY SURPLUS THAT WILL ALSO WORK. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD SINCE WE PAID FOR THEM ALREADY. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time, moe@rosistons.com writes: Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from > blowing up when flying at altitude. Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you lost your mind? I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want to turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone. There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree. I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too Expensive) stores of that type. What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long. As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids just a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items such as ink cartridges ... are a problem. Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can buy what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS ground in advance. There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough money. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:08 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann CloudCraft@aol.com wrote: > There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to > suitcase sized. You're probably thinking of "Pelican", Keith. We use a lot of their cases to put custom electronic doo-dads in. VERY nice, very robust and they're not terribly expensive if you buy through industrial outlets rather than Sharper Image type places. http://www.pelicanproducts.us Chris ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:28 PM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the 500A if anyone is interested. If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is not on purpose. Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox. Thanks, Bert ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:28 PM PST US From: "Bobby Sather" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" The military unit with four snap locks on the lid work real good. Went from Vernal Utah to New Port beach with my regulator and other equipment and had a tough time getting the lid off. So I am sure it would hold pressure going the other way. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIER Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" KG, YOU CAN FIND WATER TIGHT SEALED CONTAINERS MILITARY SURPLUS THAT WILL ALSO WORK. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD SINCE WE PAID FOR THEM ALREADY. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time, moe@rosistons.com writes: Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from > blowing up when flying at altitude. Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you lost your mind? I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want to turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone. There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree. I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too Expensive) stores of that type. What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long. As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids just a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items such as ink cartridges ... are a problem. Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can buy what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS ground in advance. There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough money. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:56 PM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com Not to be confused with the March 1960 "500" Report from last week. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:32 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" Bert, I think I do have enough space. Please send off list to steveg@nternet.com Thanks, AC500 N6291B L31 St. Tammany A35 N49KB Same -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the 500A if anyone is interested. If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is not on purpose. Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox. Thanks, Bert ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:50 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" BB, I WOULD LIKE ONE ALSO. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" > Bert, I think I do have enough space. Please send off list to steveg@nternet.com Thanks, AC500 N6291B L31 St. Tammany A35 N49KB Same -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the 500A if anyone is interested. If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is not on purpose. Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox. Thanks, Bert ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:43 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" I'd like to have one. Thanks Bert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article > --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the > 500A if anyone is interested. > > If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is not > on purpose. > > Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you > have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox. > > Thanks, > > Bert > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:19 PM PST US From: "Bobby Sather" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" Bert, I would appreciate getting the 1960 Flying report. Please send to Sigurdls@yahoo.com Thank you Bobby -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the 500A if anyone is interested. If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is not on purpose. Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox. Thanks, Bert ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:56 PM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Thanks guys! I had forgotten about the old military cases that we used for our race car parts at Bonneville back in the mid '70's. Tomorrow I will hit the local military surplus store. Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Sather" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blow Ups > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" > > The military unit with four snap locks on the lid work real good. Went > from Vernal Utah to New Port beach with my regulator and other equipment > and had a tough time getting the lid off. So I am sure it would hold > pressure going the other way. > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON > CHEVAILLIER > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > > KG, YOU CAN FIND WATER TIGHT SEALED CONTAINERS MILITARY SURPLUS THAT > WILL ALSO WORK. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD SINCE WE PAID FOR THEM ALREADY. > MASON > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CloudCraft@aol.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:21 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: > CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time, > moe@rosistons.com writes: > Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from > > blowing up when flying at altitude. > > Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have > you lost > your mind? > > I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't > want to > turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone. > > There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera > sized to > suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that > you'd > want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree. > > I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too > Expensive) > stores of that type. > > What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long. > > As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the > lids just > a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool > temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed > items such as ink > cartridges ... are a problem. > > Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You > can buy > what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS > ground in > advance. > > There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough > money. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:40 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com >>> Those are the ones, Chris. Excellent. Thanks. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:58 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" UPS Ground!!! I'm not going to get my overhaul that way. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time, > moe@rosistons.com writes: > Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from >> blowing up when flying at altitude. > > Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you > lost > your mind? > > I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want > to > turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone. > > There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized > to > suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd > want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree. > > I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too > Expensive) > stores of that type. > > What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long. > > As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids > just > a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool > temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items > such as ink > cartridges ... are a problem. > > Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can > buy > what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS > ground in > advance. > > There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough > money. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:32 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: NewsLetter --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Folks, As I recall, there is a provision in the FARs to review ADs. Is this a suitable subject for such an application to be made. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 02:36 15/06/2005, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > >In a message dated 6/13/2005 9:29:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net writes: > >1. The trim actuator from Central Air, is this the cause/solution of Larry >Wokrals frozen trim when he lost an engine a few month ago? > >2. AD98-08-19 (SB223), Is this the wing attachment point near the >leading >edge of the wing where they cut a hole in the leading edge and add a patch? >John talked about doing the inspection from inside the cabin with a bore >scope device? > > >Yes, this is the part that freezes in icing. No, Replacing it with a new >one probably wont solve the problem. The turbo Commanders (certified into >known ice) have a heated boot that covers the trim system. > >Yes, SB 223 is the leading edge inspection doors. The AD only effects >airplanes with 6000hr TT or more and is repeated every 1000hr. Instead >of adding >the doors (not possible with John's TKS de-ice system), he has >approval to do >the inspection with a Bore-scope making only a small, round hole. This AD >should never have happened. 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