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1. 05:01 AM - Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (Barry Collman)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (BobsV35B@aol.com)
3. 05:41 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (Barry Collman)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (BobsV35B@aol.com)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (BobsV35B@aol.com)
6. 07:32 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
7. 07:38 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
8. 07:39 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (Barry Collman)
9. 09:04 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (CloudCraft@aol.com)
10. 09:23 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (John Vormbaum)
11. 09:38 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (Barry Collman)
12. 09:51 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (nico css)
13. 09:51 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (John Vormbaum)
14. 09:59 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (BertBerry1@AOL.COM)
15. 10:12 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (Barry Collman)
16. 10:45 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Moe)
17. 10:45 AM - Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 (Moe)
18. 01:26 PM - Re: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs (Part Deux) (N560WM@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Guys!
My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not been able
to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated September 9th
1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
As you all probably know, it first flew in April 1948, so there's a seven-and-a
half-year gap that needs looking at.
So, I need to investigate where the paperwork is. It doesn't appear that the FAA
Records Center in Oklahoma City has this, the file they do have has been fully
researched.
I am therefore wondering, in the absence of full knowledge how these things
work, whether the FAA office, which presumably would have been local to Culver
City, has the paperwork stashed away somewhere. This begs the question, is that
same office still there, or was it closed, with the records sent elsewhere?
If anyone is local to that area, would you be kind enough to let me know which
office (FSDO?) is a likely candidate and I will get in contact with them.
Anybody with any other suggestions, please let me know.
Thanks chaps!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Guys!
My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not been
able
to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated September
9th
1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
Good Morning Barry,
I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the data you
want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such records have
been treated by others in the industry.
Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person flying club
that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it was my
job to handle the records as well as do the training on the aircraft.
While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company. What I
found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old, they had
dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a retired
Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to trash the
records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from the dumpster.
The records he saved were residing in his garage.
I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine gentleman.
Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision that
anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old airplane let
alone still be flying them.
Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have been
lost.
Try the local old folks home!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Thanks Bob.
I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local old folks
home may not be a bad idea!!
One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's son.
He attended a couple of Fly-Ins a few years back, but has dropped off the radar
screen of people who know him.
Ron is going to be a most valuable source of information for the early days of
the Aero Design & Engineering Company.
Again, if anyone has any possible leads, Please, let me know!
Best Regards,
Barry C.
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From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
| --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
|
|
| In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
|
| Hi Guys!
|
| My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not been
| able
| to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated September
| 9th
| 1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
|
|
| Good Morning Barry,
|
| I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the data you
| want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such records have
| been treated by others in the industry.
|
| Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person flying club
| that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it was my
| job to handle the records as well as do the training on the aircraft.
|
| While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company. What I
| found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old, they had
| dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a retired
| Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to trash the
| records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from the
dumpster.
| The records he saved were residing in his garage.
|
| I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine gentleman.
|
| Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision that
| anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old airplane
let
| alone still be flying them.
|
| Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have been
| lost.
|
| Try the local old folks home!
|
| Happy Skies,
|
| Old Bob
| AKA
| Bob Siegfried
| Ancient Aviator
| Stearman N3977A
| Brookeridge Airpark LL22
| Downers Grove, IL 60516
| 630 985-8502
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:42:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local old
folks
home may not be a bad idea!!
One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's son.
That does bring up another thought.
This is off the list, but I wonder if it might not be helpful to contact
George Braly of Tornado Alley Turbos and General Aviation Modifications fame.
(_gwbraly@gami.com_ (mailto:gwbraly@gami.com) )
He is the chief engineer as well as being the lead spokesman.
His first job after gaining his aeronautical engineering degree was with Ted
Smith during the Aerostar days.
It is certainly possible that he may know of one of the older folks who may
have the Aero Commander information you want.
I have taken the liberty of copying George on this message.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 6/17/2005 9:11:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
BobsV35B@aol.com writes:
This is off the list, but I wonder if it might not be helpful to contact
George Braly of Tornado Alley Turbos and General Aviation Modifications
fame.
(_gwbraly@gami.com_ (mailto:gwbraly@gami.com) )
Well guys, I goofed!!
I meant to send that message only to Barry and George, but didn't get the
address properly changed.
Sorry about that!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Hey John...that's great. Hope you can swing it.
Talk to you soon.
Randy
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Oshkosh
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Randy,
I say this every year, but if I can swing it, I'm going to try to fly 3CC to
the event with a couple of friends. Perhaps off-list we can get together to
discuss camping spots/parking etc.
I'll know how feasible the trip will be by late next week, probably. I can
give you a call after that to chat.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
<rcdettmer@charter.net>
>
> Hello Commander fans,
> I am planning on flying 53X back to Oshkosh, and have one more seat
> available (for a total of 4 of us...now that's comfort..!!)...if any of
you
> are interested. We will probably depart SBP (San Luis Obispo, CA) on
Sunday
> 7/31 for a leisurely 2 day journey, to arrive at OSH on Monday afternoon
> (the day before it opens). Then we'll head back to sunny California on
the
> following weekend. You can join us at SBP for the departure, or if
> reasonably convenient, we can stop along the way to pick you up.
>
> I hope to park in the "Vintage Aircraft" area and camp under the wing.
The
> "Vintage Aircraft" area is usually down at the approach end of runway 36,
> and if they park us like the last time, it will be at the end of the row
> (for "BIG" airplanes) - right next to the runway.
>
> In fact, it would really be cool, if we got a bunch of Commanders to go,
and
> all park all together. What do your think..??
>
> If anybody is interested in joining the fun and comfort of travel in a
680F
> (and participating in buying the gas...) shoot me an email or give me a
> call.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
> 805 541 4864
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Last time I was there (3 years ago), there were only two Commanders in
attendence. Looking forward to seeing you on Wednesday.
Randy
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
alh1@juno.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Oshkosh
--> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com" <alh1@juno.com>
randy, i am usually one of the few commanders at oshkosh and i have been the
only one several years. i plan to arrive wednesday and stay until friday.
if we get some paint touched up, we will get it judged. see you there. i
am coming from florida lna but we have six on board. al hoffman n628ah.
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Bob,
Been there, done that (Very many times!)
Thanks for the lead though. I'll follow it up, for sure.
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
| --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
|
|
| In a message dated 6/17/2005 9:11:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
| BobsV35B@aol.com writes:
|
| This is off the list, but I wonder if it might not be helpful to contact
| George Braly of Tornado Alley Turbos and General Aviation Modifications
| fame.
| (_gwbraly@gami.com_ (mailto:gwbraly@gami.com) )
|
|
| Well guys, I goofed!!
|
| I meant to send that message only to Barry and George, but didn't get the
| address properly changed.
|
| Sorry about that!
|
| Happy Skies,
|
| Old Bob
| AKA
| Bob Siegfried
| Ancient Aviator
| Stearman N3977A
| Brookeridge Airpark LL22
| Downers Grove, IL 60516
| 630 985-8502
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 17-Jun-05 05:35:00 Pacific Daylight Time, BobsV35B@aol.com
writes:
While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company. What I
found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old, they had
dumped all records of the aircraft.
>
>
This is tragic -- and exactly parallels what I was told by the Rockwell
historian about 8 years ago when I was researching some Aero Commander history.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Barry,
One of the interesting things I've run into is a local pilot whose brother
married one of Ted Smith's granddaughters (I think). He informed me that his
brother/sister in law have boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in their
attic, and no real use for it. I'm trying to set up a meeting to see what
they have, and find out exactly what relationship exists between Ted & this
gentleman's wife. Who knows, maybe there will be something on L-3805.
Maybe I can even talk them into attending our fly-in.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Thanks Bob.
>
> I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local old
folks
> home may not be a bad idea!!
>
> One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's son.
>
> He attended a couple of Fly-Ins a few years back, but has dropped off the
radar
> screen of people who know him.
>
> Ron is going to be a most valuable source of information for the early
days of
> the Aero Design & Engineering Company.
>
> Again, if anyone has any possible leads, Please, let me know!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
>
>
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> dumpster.
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi John,
Firstly, thank goodness one of the things you haven't run into is a hangar!!
"Boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in their attic, and no real use for
it". That's enough! My blood pressure was high enough already without this
excitement!!
This sounds really very, very interesting John. I'm certain that Ron told us he
had a lot of early material in the family archives, and we book-compilers really
*need* to have a look through it all. Did Ted have just one son? Does Ron have
a
daughter? It'll certainly be interesting to find out more.
Please, try and do what you can to see what they have. I really am most
interested.
Well done Mate!
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
|
| Barry,
|
| One of the interesting things I've run into is a local pilot whose brother
| married one of Ted Smith's granddaughters (I think). He informed me that his
| brother/sister in law have boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in their
| attic, and no real use for it. I'm trying to set up a meeting to see what
| they have, and find out exactly what relationship exists between Ted & this
| gentleman's wife. Who knows, maybe there will be something on L-3805.
|
| Maybe I can even talk them into attending our fly-in.
|
| /J
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
|
|
| > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Thanks Bob.
| >
| > I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local old
| folks
| > home may not be a bad idea!!
| >
| > One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's son.
| >
| > He attended a couple of Fly-Ins a few years back, but has dropped off the
| radar
| > screen of people who know him.
| >
| > Ron is going to be a most valuable source of information for the early
| days of
| > the Aero Design & Engineering Company.
| >
| > Again, if anyone has any possible leads, Please, let me know!
| >
| > Best Regards,
| > Barry C.
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
| > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
| >
| >
| > | --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
| > |
| > |
| > | In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
| > | barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
| > |
| > | Hi Guys!
| > |
| > | My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not
| been
| > | able
| > | to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated
| September
| > | 9th
| > | 1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
| > |
| > |
| > | Good Morning Barry,
| > |
| > | I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the data
| you
| > | want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such records
| have
| > | been treated by others in the industry.
| > |
| > | Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person flying
| club
| > | that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it was
| my
| > | job to handle the records as well as do the training on the aircraft.
| > |
| > | While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company.
| What I
| > | found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old,
| they had
| > | dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a retired
| > | Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to trash
| the
| > | records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from the
| > dumpster.
| > | The records he saved were residing in his garage.
| > |
| > | I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine
| gentleman.
| > |
| > | Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision
| that
| > | anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old
| airplane
| > let
| > | alone still be flying them.
| > |
| > | Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have
| been
| > | lost.
| > |
| > | Try the local old folks home!
| > |
| > | Happy Skies,
| > |
| > | Old Bob
| > | AKA
| > | Bob Siegfried
| > | Ancient Aviator
| > | Stearman N3977A
| > | Brookeridge Airpark LL22
| > | Downers Grove, IL 60516
| > | 630 985-8502
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Shouldn't we get some of that stuff on electronic media so that it can never
be destroyed?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
>
> Barry,
>
> One of the interesting things I've run into is a local pilot whose brother
> married one of Ted Smith's granddaughters (I think). He informed me that
his
> brother/sister in law have boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in
their
> attic, and no real use for it. I'm trying to set up a meeting to see what
> they have, and find out exactly what relationship exists between Ted &
this
> gentleman's wife. Who knows, maybe there will be something on L-3805.
>
> Maybe I can even talk them into attending our fly-in.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> > Thanks Bob.
> >
> > I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local
old
> folks
> > home may not be a bad idea!!
> >
> > One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's
son.
> >
> > He attended a couple of Fly-Ins a few years back, but has dropped off
the
> radar
> > screen of people who know him.
> >
> > Ron is going to be a most valuable source of information for the early
> days of
> > the Aero Design & Engineering Company.
> >
> > Again, if anyone has any possible leads, Please, let me know!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Barry C.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
> >
> >
> > | --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
> > |
> > |
> > | In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > | barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> > |
> > | Hi Guys!
> > |
> > | My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not
> been
> > | able
> > | to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated
> September
> > | 9th
> > | 1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
> > |
> > |
> > | Good Morning Barry,
> > |
> > | I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the
data
> you
> > | want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such records
> have
> > | been treated by others in the industry.
> > |
> > | Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person
flying
> club
> > | that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it was
> my
> > | job to handle the records as well as do the training on the aircraft.
> > |
> > | While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company.
> What I
> > | found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old,
> they had
> > | dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a
retired
> > | Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to
trash
> the
> > | records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from the
> > dumpster.
> > | The records he saved were residing in his garage.
> > |
> > | I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine
> gentleman.
> > |
> > | Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision
> that
> > | anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old
> airplane
> > let
> > | alone still be flying them.
> > |
> > | Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have
> been
> > | lost.
> > |
> > | Try the local old folks home!
> > |
> > | Happy Skies,
> > |
> > | Old Bob
> > | AKA
> > | Bob Siegfried
> > | Ancient Aviator
> > | Stearman N3977A
> > | Brookeridge Airpark LL22
> > | Downers Grove, IL 60516
> > | 630 985-8502
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Barry,
I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this. I'll let you know as soon as I
have more info.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Firstly, thank goodness one of the things you haven't run into is a
hangar!!
>
> "Boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in their attic, and no real use
for
> it". That's enough! My blood pressure was high enough already without this
> excitement!!
>
> This sounds really very, very interesting John. I'm certain that Ron told
us he
> had a lot of early material in the family archives, and we book-compilers
really
> *need* to have a look through it all. Did Ted have just one son? Does Ron
have a
> daughter? It'll certainly be interesting to find out more.
>
> Please, try and do what you can to see what they have. I really am most
> interested.
>
> Well done Mate!
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
>
>
<john@vormbaum.com>
brother
his
their
what
this
old
son.
the
not
data
records
flying
was
aircraft.
retired
trash
the
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
It would be nice to have it scanned or photographed so we all could have a
look at it.
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Bert,
I'm anticipating that there will be a lot of paperwork which most will find
pretty mundane. Rest assured, all the 'meaty' stuff will be extracted and
published in 'The Book'. That is, of course, provided we are permitted access to
it.
Barry C. (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
| --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
|
| It would be nice to have it scanned or photographed so we all could have a
| look at it.
|
| Bert
|
|
|
|
|
|
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Just my luck! In the past I have been 1/2 of the Commanders at Oshkosh,
this year everyone goes, and I can't.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
<rcdettmer@charter.net>
>
> Last time I was there (3 years ago), there were only two Commanders in
> attendence. Looking forward to seeing you on Wednesday.
>
> Randy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> alh1@juno.com
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Oshkosh
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com" <alh1@juno.com>
>
>
> randy, i am usually one of the few commanders at oshkosh and i have been
the
> only one several years. i plan to arrive wednesday and stay until friday.
> if we get some paint touched up, we will get it judged. see you there. i
> am coming from florida lna but we have six on board. al hoffman n628ah.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
If you had as many hungry lawyers trying to sue you as they do, you would
destroy all records the day it was legal also. In some industries (nukes
for instance) this is SOP right down to the day.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 17-Jun-05 05:35:00 Pacific Daylight Time,
BobsV35B@aol.com
> writes:
> While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company.
What I
> found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old, they
had
> dumped all records of the aircraft.
> >
> >
> This is tragic -- and exactly parallels what I was told by the Rockwell
> historian about 8 years ago when I was researching some Aero Commander
history.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: N560WM@aol.com
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