---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/20/05: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:53 AM - Re: 500S auction (Tom Fisher) 2. 09:23 AM - Re: 500S auction (BobsV35B@aol.com) 3. 09:49 AM - Re: 500S auction (nico css) 4. 10:02 AM - Re: 500S auction (BobsV35B@aol.com) 5. 10:15 AM - Re: 500S auction (John Vormbaum) 6. 01:03 PM - Re: 500S auction (Tom Fisher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:12 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" In my backyard (Vancouver, Canada) our local aerial firefighter company (Conair) use the 700 and 690's as birddogs because they can keep up with the tankers. Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500S auction > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" > > Bob: > The Commander 700 was not a Tough Bird type Ted Smith Commander. > > IIRC that plane was manufactured by Fuji Heavy Industries and imported and > marketed by Commander. It was a pressurized aircraft. > > There may be a good reason why not many of them sold. > I'm certain there are people on this list more knowledgeable than I on this > subject. > > ___________________________ > Deneal Schilmeister > St. Louis - Cincinnati > 1997 SL500 > http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com > > > Good Afternoon Ben, > > Your message piqued my interest. While looking around at a few Commanders, > > I noted one Commander 700 that sounded interesting. I didn't even know > such > an airplane existed. > > Would the guys and gals on this list consider me to be a deserter if I > bought a low wing airplane? > > Anybody know where to find out more information about one of these? I did > check the Type Certificate Data Sheets. The max gross weight seems > reasonable. Any idea what a typical empty weight would be? > > What I need is information concerning speeds actually made good and > physical > dimensions. There are maximum wing span considerations at my home drome. > > Obviously, any big maintenance problems in addition to the relatively short > > airframe life? > > Any leads to more information would be appreciated. > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Airpark LL22 > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8502 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:22 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:53:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: In my backyard (Vancouver, Canada) our local aerial firefighter company (Conair) use the 700 and 690's as birddogs because they can keep up with the tankers. Good Morning Tom, Would one of those be the one that is being offered for just over one hundred grand? That has Canadian registry and is just over one thousand hours away from the airframe life limit. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Airpark LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:24 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Speaking of airframe life-limits: What happens when an airframe reaches that limit? Can it be rebuilt, ignoring that it might not be worth it? And if so, what does it entail? Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction > --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com > > > In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:53:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: > > In my backyard (Vancouver, Canada) our local aerial firefighter company > (Conair) use the 700 and 690's as birddogs because they can keep up with the > tankers. > > > Good Morning Tom, > > Would one of those be the one that is being offered for just over one > hundred grand? That has Canadian registry and is just over one thousand hours away > from the airframe life limit. > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Airpark LL22 > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8502 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:15 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com In a message dated 6/20/2005 11:49:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Speaking of airframe life-limits: What happens when an airframe reaches that limit? Can it be rebuilt, ignoring that it might not be worth it? And if so, what does it entail? Nico Good Afternoon Nico Generally speaking, if there are enough airplanes to make it worthwhile, someone, occasionally the original manufacturer, but often others, will design a program, check or modification that will give life extensions. On low production airframes, that is not a financially viable solution. It appears that all of the Pressurized Barons will be grounded at fifteen thousand hours and I'll bet a milk shake there will be no one offering a time extension program for the Commander 700. With only thirty some airplanes having been built, the market is too small. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Airpark LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:23 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Nico, The only official documentation about life limits I've seen for Commanders is the Australian CAA document, that places the life limit on my 500B at 35,000 hours; it specifies that the when the life limit is reached, the lower spar cap must be replaced, at which time the airplane is good for another 35,000 hours. The document even mentions that no testing has been done beyond that point. I think it'll be a while before someone owns an Aero Commander with >70,000 hours TT. /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > Speaking of airframe life-limits: What happens when an airframe reaches that > limit? Can it be rebuilt, ignoring that it might not be worth it? And if so, > what does it entail? > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com > > > > > > In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:53:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: > > > > In my backyard (Vancouver, Canada) our local aerial firefighter company > > (Conair) use the 700 and 690's as birddogs because they can keep up with > the > > tankers. > > > > > > Good Morning Tom, > > > > Would one of those be the one that is being offered for just over one > > hundred grand? That has Canadian registry and is just over one thousand > hours away > > from the airframe life limit. > > > > Happy Skies, > > > > Old Bob > > AKA > > Bob Siegfried > > Ancient Aviator > > Stearman N3977A > > Brookeridge Airpark LL22 > > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > > 630 985-8502 > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1145 (20050618) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1145 (20050618) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:11 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Did not see that, might be, I guess the parts on the airframe are still good for $100,000. (CDN). Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S auction > --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com > > > In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:53:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: > > In my backyard (Vancouver, Canada) our local aerial firefighter company > (Conair) use the 700 and 690's as birddogs because they can keep up with the > tankers. > > > Good Morning Tom, > > Would one of those be the one that is being offered for just over one > hundred grand? That has Canadian registry and is just over one thousand hours away > from the airframe life limit. > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Airpark LL22 > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8502 > >