---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/22/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:02 AM - Re: N7UP (steve) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: N7UP (BobsV35B@aol.com) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: N7UP (Barry Collman) 4. 08:30 AM - Re: Aero Commander Brochures (BertBerry1@aol.com) 5. 08:59 AM - Re: N7UP (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 6. 10:00 AM - Re: N7UP (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 7. 10:42 AM - Re: N7UP (nico css) 8. 12:35 PM - Re: Aero Commander Brochures (Chris Schuermann) 9. 12:52 PM - Re: Aero Commander Brochures (BertBerry1@aol.com) 10. 12:53 PM - Re: Aero Commander Brochures (Tom Fisher) 11. 01:02 PM - Re: N7UP (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 12. 01:21 PM - Re: Aero Commander Brochures (BertBerry1@aol.com) 13. 01:38 PM - Re: Aero Commander Brochures (Tom Fisher) 14. 09:37 PM - Re: Aero Commander Brochures (nico css) 15. 11:23 PM - Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT () 16. 11:25 PM - Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:39 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: RE: Commander-List: N7UP --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" Nico, I had an early morning show video interview done with me and a couple of their anchors for my company's' Home Drug Tests a few years ago. They gave me a copy, only after prodding and asking a few times. I will research my notes and get in touch with those earlier contacts and see if they will continue to return the favor. Be patient here and I will advise when a copy is made available. Steve G and Rob M AC500 N6291B L31 St. Tammany -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" What an amazing aircraft. I have never seen anything like it. Cockpit gone, pilots OK. Aircraft destroyed, left engine runs like crazy. TV crew on the scene, news anchor has no idea what he is talking about. Not even the guy in the chopper knows aircraft terms and language. Par for the course. It seems evident that the guy who poked around in the wheel well was trying to disconnect a fuel line or something to stop the engine. Anyway, what an amazing bit of footage. Pity we cannot get that on our website to preserve it. KVBC will take it off their website in a few days and then we won't have access to it. Is there anyone who knows someone over there who could talk them into giving us the video clip? We will host it with all proper credits, or they could let us have a deep link to it in their archive. We will keep it with the uninformed news anchors intact. If anyone could help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike floyd" Subject: Commander-List: N7UP > --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" > > There she is destroyed in the dirt with the left engine still running. > > > http://www.kvbc.com/ > > Mike > Commander NW LTD > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:38 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com Good Morning nico, It is very sad to see a nice airplane meet a fate like that. I do have quite a bit of time flying N7UP, but it wasn't a Commander then. If you don't mind, I would like to add a bit of history to the tale. The registration number, N7UP, was held by the Union Pacific Railroad, but had not yet been assigned to an aircraft. We sold a 1968 Beechcraft B55 Baron to a local beverage bottler. He applied to the feds for that number and was informed that the railroad had it reserved. After making direct contact with the president of the railroad, the number was released and applied to the Baron. I have no knowledge as to when the registration left the Baron and whether it was applied to any other aircraft before it went to the Commander, but it was on the Baron in the 1968 to 1972 time frame, plus or minus a couple of years. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Airpark LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 In a message dated 7/21/2005 11:50:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: What an amazing aircraft. I have never seen anything like it. Cockpit gone, pilots OK. Aircraft destroyed, left engine runs like crazy. TV crew on the scene, news anchor has no idea what he is talking about. Not even the guy in the chopper knows aircraft terms and language. Par for the course. It seems evident that the guy who poked around in the wheel well was trying to disconnect a fuel line or something to stop the engine. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:25 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Gang, Regarding N7UP, I too do not have any knowledge on which aircraft had that mark assigned before the 680FL, apart now from the Baron of course. However, I do know that it was assigned to the Commander on September 29th 1979, painted on October 24th and registered as such with the FAA on December 6th 1979. Before that it was N777UP (Mar77 to Sep79) and N78353. Our friends at Commander Northwest bought it from Seven Up Bottling Company of San Francisco on January 14th 1991. N777UP was also on a much earlier Commander owned by 7UP, namely Model 560, s/n 163, from April 1963 to February 1977. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP | --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com | | | Good Morning nico, | | It is very sad to see a nice airplane meet a fate like that. | | I do have quite a bit of time flying N7UP, but it wasn't a Commander then. | | If you don't mind, I would like to add a bit of history to the tale. The | registration number, N7UP, was held by the Union Pacific Railroad, but had not | yet been assigned to an aircraft. | | We sold a 1968 Beechcraft B55 Baron to a local beverage bottler. He applied | to the feds for that number and was informed that the railroad had it | reserved. After making direct contact with the president of the railroad, the | number was released and applied to the Baron. | | I have no knowledge as to when the registration left the Baron and whether | it was applied to any other aircraft before it went to the Commander, but it | was on the Baron in the 1968 to 1972 time frame, plus or minus a couple of | years. | | Happy Skies, | | Old Bob | AKA | Bob Siegfried | Ancient Aviator | Stearman N3977A | Brookeridge Airpark LL22 | Downers Grove, IL 60516 | 630 985-8502 | | | In a message dated 7/21/2005 11:50:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, | nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: | | What an amazing aircraft. I have never seen anything like it. Cockpit gone, | pilots OK. Aircraft destroyed, left engine runs like crazy. TV crew on the | scene, news anchor has no idea what he is talking about. Not even the guy in | the chopper knows aircraft terms and language. Par for the course. It seems | evident that the guy who poked around in the wheel well was trying to | disconnect a fuel line or something to stop the engine. | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:43 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com I'm glad to share the info with all of you, hopefully this will encourage others to share their collection with the rest of us. More to come. Bert ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:52 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 7/21/2005 9:50:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Anyway, what an amazing bit of footage. Pity we cannot get that on our website to preserve it. KVBC Can you get some contact info for them. I will call them and ask if they will send a copy to me. Thanks jb ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:27 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 7/21/2005 8:29:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, floydgm@hotmail.com writes: I need something else to do, I am tired of all of this. Mike I am so sorry to hear for the lose of life and of course "7UP" I ran across 7UP a couple of years ago while fueling a Beaver on floats I was delivering. I have felt like you, so discouraged at the loss of an airplane and the occupants. Sadly, It is just part of aviation. In the summer of 1987, I was crop dusting in Idaho's Treasure Valley. That year, there were 6 fatal and one non fatal accidents. The funerals of my friends were so close together that I could not attend all of them. I was the lone 'non-fatal" crash. I destroyed a beautiful Thrush Commander S2R-600. Don't give up!! The work you do with these airplanes is important and nobody does it better that Commander NW. I pray God will give you strength in this time of loss. If there is anything any of us can do, please ask. God Bless Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:50 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" This is their contact information that I could find. I hope you are successful. Thanks Nico KVBC-TV NBC 1500 Foremaster Lane Las Vegas, NV 89101 (near the corner of Las Vegas Blvd. and Foremaster) If you have ANY questions regarding the web site or would like to inquire about stories posted on the website please email the KVBC Webmaster . Contacts: Assignment/News Desk: phone: (702) 657-3150 fax : (702) 657-3152 email: Rmartinez@kvbc.com Web Producer: phone: (702) 657-3183 or 657-3157 email: webmaster@kvbc.com General Information: phone: (702) 642-3333 email: Rmartinez@kvbc.com Anchor/Reporter: email: Click Here ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > In a message dated 7/21/2005 9:50:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: > > Anyway, what an amazing bit of footage. Pity we cannot get that on our > website to preserve it. KVBC > > > Can you get some contact info for them. I will call them and ask if they > will send a copy to me. Thanks jb > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:08 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann BertBerry1@aol.com wrote: > I'm glad to share the info with all of you, hopefully this will encourage > others to share their collection with the rest of us. Thanks Bert - wonderfull collection! JB, there is a pretty significan collection of old ads on the old web site. The links are currently broken, but it appears that the collection I'd accumulated is mostly still there. Could you repair the links and make this collection available to every one please? The root URL is: http://www.aerocommander.com/Pbrochures/index.html There are 9 pages each with a number of brochures. The links need to reference an index file in each subdirectory - ie: http://www.aerocommander.com/Pbrochures/1/index.html Thanks, Chris Schuermann ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:42 PM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com The ads and brochures that are on the old website were ones that I sent some time ago. I'll try to get most of them to Nico as soon as it becomes possible. I just sent him the 680S Super brochure and the 690B brochure, so you should be seeing those soon. Bert ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:36 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Every time I try to print the FLP article to my laser I get "insufficient memory" oh well, nice try anyway. Tom C-GISS 680FLP Mr.RPM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > BertBerry1@aol.com wrote: > > I'm glad to share the info with all of you, hopefully this will encourage > > others to share their collection with the rest of us. > > > Thanks Bert - wonderfull collection! > > JB, there is a pretty significan collection of old ads on the old web > site. The links are currently broken, but it appears that the > collection I'd accumulated is mostly still there. Could you repair the > links and make this collection available to every one please? > The root URL is: http://www.aerocommander.com/Pbrochures/index.html > There are 9 pages each with a number of brochures. > > The links need to reference an index file in each subdirectory - ie: > http://www.aerocommander.com/Pbrochures/1/index.html > > Thanks, > Chris Schuermann > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:36 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" m, amen mason 680 fp 2001m ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 7/21/2005 8:29:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, floydgm@hotmail.com writes: I need something else to do, I am tired of all of this. Mike I am so sorry to hear for the lose of life and of course "7UP" I ran across 7UP a couple of years ago while fueling a Beaver on floats I was delivering. I have felt like you, so discouraged at the loss of an airplane and the occupants. Sadly, It is just part of aviation. In the summer of 1987, I was crop dusting in Idaho's Treasure Valley. That year, there were 6 fatal and one non fatal accidents. The funerals of my friends were so close together that I could not attend all of them. I was the lone 'non-fatal" crash. I destroyed a beautiful Thrush Commander S2R-600. Don't give up!! The work you do with these airplanes is important and nobody does it better that Commander NW. I pray God will give you strength in this time of loss. If there is anything any of us can do, please ask. God Bless Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:49 PM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com Hey Tom, Your Laser printer probably doesn't have enough RAM memory to print it in its current format. You may have to adjust your print quality to get it to work. Sorry for the trouble, its the easiest format for me to use. Bert ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:41 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" I will try that, thanks. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > Hey Tom, > > Your Laser printer probably doesn't have enough RAM memory to print it in its > current format. You may have to adjust your print quality to get it to work. > Sorry for the trouble, its the easiest format for me to use. > > Bert > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:07 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Folks, Those dated 7/22/2005 have been uploaded today. There is a lot of classic pictures and articles on the webserver now. I will look into making it easier to navigate the information. Next week some time. Enjoy. Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > I will try that, thanks. > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > > > Hey Tom, > > > > Your Laser printer probably doesn't have enough RAM memory to print it in > its > > current format. You may have to adjust your print quality to get it to > work. > > Sorry for the trouble, its the easiest format for me to use. > > > > Bert > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:39 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT --> Commander-List message posted by: Just got back from Alaska. Would love to have the report as I have a 1970 500S Shrike. Don Falik 790 W. Lawrence Ave. Charlotte, Mi. 48813 -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me know who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you happen to have something that I don't please share. Thanks, Bert ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:29 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT --> Commander-List message posted by: Bert, I just spend a week in Santa Fe. With my wife and my 500S (1970). I took a side trip to San Francisco for a day while my wife did the artsy stuff. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AEROCOMAND@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT --> Commander-List message posted by: AEROCOMAND@aol.com Bert. I would love to get a copy of this '68 500s report, since that is what I have. Jorge Gonzalez P.O. Box 5483 Santa Fe, NM 87502 or based at Sandia Airpark 38 Mountain View Lane Edgewood, NM 87015 Thank you.