---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/04/05: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:58 AM - Re: Sonoma Valley Airport (Barry Collman) 2. 07:15 AM - Re: Sonoma Valley Airport (BertBerry1@aol.com) 3. 07:28 AM - Re: Sonoma Valley Airport (Barry Collman) 4. 08:47 AM - Falling woman (nico css) 5. 09:51 AM - Re: (no subject) (Moe) 6. 09:57 AM - Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p) (Moe) 7. 10:48 AM - 520 Commander at Sonoma County (BertBerry1@aol.com) 8. 11:49 AM - Re: (no subject) (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 9. 12:07 PM - Re: 520 Commander at Sonoma County (Barry Collman) 10. 02:41 PM - Re: (no subject) (Moe) 11. 03:55 PM - Re: (no subject) (MASON Chevaillier) 12. 04:27 PM - Re: (no subject) (Moe) 13. 06:00 PM - Re: (no subject) (YOURTCFG@AOL.COM) 14. 06:07 PM - Re: (no subject) (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 15. 06:10 PM - Re: (no subject) (Chris Schuermann) 16. 06:34 PM - Re: (no subject) (Daniel Stewart) 17. 06:45 PM - Re: (no subject) (Chris Schuermann) 18. 06:53 PM - Re: (no subject) (Bert Berry) 19. 06:56 PM - Re: (no subject) (Bert Berry) 20. 07:15 PM - no more Commanders (Ben Baltrusaitis) 21. 09:07 PM - Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p) (tylor.hall) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:28 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sonoma Valley Airport --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi, I don't know which one it is, but it's certainly a Model 520. Can anyone help? Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: Sonoma Valley Airport | --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com | | Found this photo of what is described as an "Scrapped" Aero Commander, just | wondering if anyone here knows which one this is. | | http://www.napanet.net/~arbeau/usaah/saa6b.htm | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:34 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sonoma Valley Airport --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com According to the gentlemen that set up the website and took the picture, he said he never knew the N number, but he thinks 520-16. But it was only a guess. Bert ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:57 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sonoma Valley Airport --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi, Nope, no cigar, not s/n 16. This used to be over here in England, but was destroyed by fire at Fairoaks airport on August 14th 1969. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sonoma Valley Airport | --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com | | According to the gentlemen that set up the website and took the picture, he | said he never knew the N number, but he thinks 520-16. But it was only a guess. | | Bert | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:37 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: Falling woman --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" If she gets stuck, drag her out of trouble with the mouse. http://www.izpitera.ru/lj/tetka.swf ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:51 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Mason, I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy machine. Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to TCFG > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > >From: BertBerry1@aol.com > >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com > >To: commander-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping someone > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:46 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Tylor, Thanks for the tip. The one which someone stold from me was similar. I had used a barrel that could be filled with water. This way it was light enough to be loaded in my bus by myself. Also, it could be attached to the tail empty by one person, filled with water and it would pull the front off the ground. It's just that I am a pretty busy boy right now and I don't have the time to fabricate one, and our tool and die maker just retired. Thought someone might have something trick for sale. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" > > Moe, > When I had the FBO, I purchased a weighted tail stand that we put concrete > in to add the weight. > It would hold the tail down when we jacked up the wings. Worked on Twin > Commanders, 210, and Bonanzas. > http://aircraftjacks.com/ > It was a galvanized tub with wheels and an adjustable connection to the > tail. Worked well. > > Tylor Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > Joe, > > Is it the kind that weight can be added to relatively easily, so that I can > lift the front wheel up off the ground to change the front tire? > > Moe > N680RR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: COMMANDER560@cs.com > > > > JB, I have a tail stand , Joe Shepherd > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:00 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 520 Commander at Sonoma County --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com Well Barry, I made some phone calls and found out that it WAS N4117B S/N 520-18. According to a gentlemen there who was very helpful, the airplane was damaged heavily in a thunderstorm several years ago. He told me that the previous owner sold it to Michael Wright and that Mr. Wright got tired of paying ramp fees for it and cut it up with a saw and hauled it off. So you can mark that one down as being gone. Bert ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:13 AM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > Mason, I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy machine. Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to TCFG > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > >From: BertBerry1@aol.com > >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com > >To: commander-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping someone > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:04 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 520 Commander at Sonoma County --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Bert, Well done! That's really good of you to track that info down. My database shows that Michael Wright scrapped s/n 18, but as his address was in Mechanicsville, Virginia, I didn't figure this was the same plane. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: 520 Commander at Sonoma County | --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com | | Well Barry, | | I made some phone calls and found out that it WAS N4117B S/N 520-18. | According to a gentlemen there who was very helpful, the airplane was damaged heavily | in a thunderstorm several years ago. He told me that the previous owner sold | it to Michael Wright and that Mr. Wright got tired of paying ramp fees for it | and cut it up with a saw and hauled it off. | | So you can mark that one down as being gone. | | Bert | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:45 PM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" put one what on board and give it to me? Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Moe > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > > Mason, > > I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for > technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy machine. > > Moe > N680RR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASON Chevaillier" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" > > > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to TCFG > > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > > > >From: BertBerry1@aol.com > > >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com > > >To: commander-list@matronics.com > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping > someone > > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:52 PM PST US From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" mm, the photo copy machine you requested. mason >From: "Moe" >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:29:23 -0700 > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > >put one what on board and give it to me? > >Moe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > > > > mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Moe > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" >> > > > > Mason, > > > > I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for > > technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy >machine. > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" > > > To: >> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" >> > > > > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to >TCFG > > > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > > > > > >From: BertBerry1@aol.com > > > >Reply-To: >commander-list@matronics.com > > > >To: >commander-list@matronics.com > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: >BertBerry1@aol.com > > > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping > > someone > > > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:36 PM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Mason, Hate to be pickey, but is it a color machine? Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" > > mm, the photo copy machine you requested. mason > > > >From: "Moe" > >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:29:23 -0700 > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > > >put one what on board and give it to me? > > > >Moe > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > > > > > > > mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Moe > > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > >> > > > > > > Mason, > > > > > > I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for > > > technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy > >machine. > > > > > > Moe > > > N680RR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" > > > > To: > >> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" > >> > > > > > > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to > >TCFG > > > > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > > > > > > > >From: BertBerry1@aol.com > > > > >Reply-To: > >commander-list@matronics.com > > > > >To: > >commander-list@matronics.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > > > > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: > >BertBerry1@aol.com > > > > > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping > > > someone > > > > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:56 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, BertBerry1@aol.com writes: Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? Yep, me. I have about 50. Plus, I have several brochures, ash trays and even a couple of old phono graph records with a "sales pitch" on why YOU should buy a Commander. jb ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:30 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, BertBerry1@aol.com writes: Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? Yep, that is me. I have about 50 ads. Plus, I have several brochures and even a couple of old phono records with a "sales pitch" on why YOU should buy a Commander. jb ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:48 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > BertBerry1@aol.com writes: > > Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? You've made me think Bert.... I have a full set of service manuals for all piston Commanders as well as Maint manuals - pristine condition, up to date, purchased new from TCAC. Also have all SB's, SL's, "Custom Kits" books, many ads, brochures, owners manuals, POH's, Commander training manuals, Commander card decks, cig lighters, and boxes of other stuff. Since I don't see myself buying another Commander, I should gather this stuff all up, inventory it, and see if anyone wants it. Might buy me some avgas. chris ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:22 PM PST US From: Daniel Stewart Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: Daniel Stewart Speaking of service manuals, I am in need of a Manual for the GO480B engine, if anyone has one? Dan Chris Schuermann wrote: --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > BertBerry1@aol.com writes: > > Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? You've made me think Bert.... I have a full set of service manuals for all piston Commanders as well as Maint manuals - pristine condition, up to date, purchased new from TCAC. Also have all SB's, SL's, "Custom Kits" books, many ads, brochures, owners manuals, POH's, Commander training manuals, Commander card decks, cig lighters, and boxes of other stuff. Since I don't see myself buying another Commander, I should gather this stuff all up, inventory it, and see if anyone wants it. Might buy me some avgas. chris ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:21 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Daniel Stewart wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: Daniel Stewart > > Speaking of service manuals, I am in need of a Manual for the GO480B engine, if anyone has one? Dan, I've already parted with my 480 manuals (still have 435 stuff tho). I seem to recall that Essco is where I got them. You might check - they have TONS of manuals. chris ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) From: "Bert Berry" --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" 9 Chris, I have your gas money in my pocket. Let me know what you have and we can make it happen. Bert -----Original Message----- From: Chris Schuermann To:commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > BertBerry1@aol.com writes: > > Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? You've made me think Bert.... I have a full set of service manuals for all piston Commanders as well as Maint manuals - pristine condition, up to date, purchased new from TCAC. Also have all SB's, SL's, "Custom Kits" books, many ads, brochures, owners manuals, POH's, Commander training manuals, Commander card decks, cig lighters, and boxes of other stuff. Since I don't see myself buying another Commander, I should gather this stuff all up, inventory it, and see if anyone wants it. Might buy me some avgas. chris bertberry1@aol.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) From: "Bert Berry" --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" I can send you a copy of what I have doubles of and we could trade. Let me know if your interested. Really don't want to sell this stuff. Bert -----Original Message----- From: YOURTCFG@aol.com To:commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, BertBerry1@aol.com writes: Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? Yep, me. I have about 50. Plus, I have several brochures, ash trays and even a couple of old phono graph records with a "sales pitch" on why YOU should buy a Commander. jb bertberry1@aol.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:13 PM PST US From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Subject: Commander-List: no more Commanders --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Chris, why no more Commanders? (Besides flying the twin Piper-which you could trade). Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Schuermann To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) ..............Since I don't see myself buying another Commander, I should gather this stuff all up, inventory it, and see if anyone wants it. Might buy me some avgas. chris ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:37 PM PST US From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" Moe, Sounds like you have the solution. A 30-gallon drum will weight about 240Lbs of water. Tie it to your tail with a rope and start filling it. Stop when the nose wheel comes off the ground. Soap is sold in the plastic 30 gallon drums. 55 gallon drum would work. Put it on it's side and start filling it with water. Tylor Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Tylor, Thanks for the tip. The one which someone stold from me was similar. I had used a barrel that could be filled with water. This way it was light enough to be loaded in my bus by myself. Also, it could be attached to the tail empty by one person, filled with water and it would pull the front off the ground. It's just that I am a pretty busy boy right now and I don't have the time to fabricate one, and our tool and die maker just retired. Thought someone might have something trick for sale. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" > > Moe, > When I had the FBO, I purchased a weighted tail stand that we put concrete > in to add the weight. > It would hold the tail down when we jacked up the wings. Worked on Twin > Commanders, 210, and Bonanzas. > http://aircraftjacks.com/ > It was a galvanized tub with wheels and an adjustable connection to the > tail. Worked well. > > Tylor Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > Joe, > > Is it the kind that weight can be added to relatively easily, so that I can > lift the front wheel up off the ground to change the front tire? > > Moe > N680RR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: COMMANDER560@cs.com > > > > JB, I have a tail stand , Joe Shepherd > > > > > >