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1. 03:28 PM - ebay commander (Moe)
2. 05:01 PM - Re: ebay commander (Bert Berry)
3. 05:13 PM - Re: ebay commander (Barry Collman)
4. 05:59 PM - Re: ebay commander (CloudCraft@aol.com)
5. 06:22 PM - Hot starts (nico css)
6. 06:32 PM - Re: ebay commander (Bert Berry)
7. 06:51 PM - Re: ebay commander N47RR (tylor.hall)
8. 07:05 PM - Re: ebay commander 47RR (tylor.hall)
9. 07:28 PM - Re: ebay commander 47RR (nico css)
10. 08:10 PM - Re: ebay commander N47RR (tylor.hall)
11. 08:22 PM - Re: ebay commander N47RR (Bert Berry)
12. 08:28 PM - Re: ebay commander (Tom Fisher)
13. 11:45 PM - Re: ebay commander N47RR (nico css)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There
are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of
them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't
require an annual of maintenance?
Moe
N680RR
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Subject: | Re: ebay commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
N47RR 1477-5 talk to him yesterday.
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
To:<commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There
are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of
them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't
require an annual of maintenance?
Moe
N680RR
bertberry1@aol.com
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Subject: | Re: ebay commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Moe,
Bert just beat me to it ! I was just going to suggest 1477-5, N47RR myself when
Bert's email came through.
I spent a while looking at those 680FLP's which had the Turbo 800 STC.
If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and
panel are a match.
Initially Certificated December 27th 1964, it was the first 680FLP with Dick
MacCoon's MR RPM STC.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
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| N47RR 1477-5 talk to him yesterday.
|
| Bert
| -----Original Message-----
| From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
| Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:15:32
| To:<commander-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander
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| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
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| Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay?
There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of
them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't
require an annual of maintenance?
|
| Moe
| N680RR
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| bertberry1@aol.com
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job
and
panel are a match.
Indeed.
N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually
hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies."
The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse
where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT.
First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not
on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock
on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked
it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it.
It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it
had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the
right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine.
Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until
I realized it was on one side only.
Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't
need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch."
I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event,
but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert.
I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was
ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it.
Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so
it is still a Skydrol airplane.
It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen
before and still don't know what it was/is.
My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was
that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine
compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really
liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that.
If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to
Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That
would have avoided the damage history.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Russ,
I agree. There is a lot of hot avgas pouring out the overflow, so the
fireballs do seem to show up with that technique. However, to date I have
not heard of a single fire as a result of this. I may be uniformed.
I once was privileged to attend a Bob Hoover show and an Aero Commander had
a hard time starting up (not Bob). We were on a balcony right above the 500B
and the fireballs that came out on top of the wing were just scary. The
pilot could not get the engines going and had to abandon wherever he was
going, perhaps much to his embarrassment.
The technique you describe works on Continentals, except the throttle is
advanced slowly. If I remember correctly, the Centurion and C206 family
Cessnas had the fuel pump activated when the throttle was advanced, and it
is this that made the Continental technique work well, hot or cold. Once I
had a hard time firing up a 310 and there was nothing we could do to even
get a beat out of the engines. Maybe the Continentals got pissed off that we
tried Lycoming techniques on them. Who knows.
I can imagine that your technique would work since the shot of fuel would
set up fuel pressure which is slowly released as the mixture is advanced,
basically causing the ideal circumstances for combustion at any point during
the fuel release. The flooded method uses the reverse of this process by
having excess fuel evaporate until the ideal circumstances occur. Whether
your technique would work with a vapor lock is not clear, but if it works
without scaring the pilot into soiling his pants immediately before a
flight, it is a distinct advantage. :-)
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wernerworld" <russ@wernerworld.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Hot starts, Was: Lean side of peak running
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" <russ@wernerworld.com>
>
> Here's another hot start technique. I had tried many different ones, but
> the one thing that scared the shit out of me was the chance of fire. Many
> advocate using the "flooded engine" method of full throttle and mixture at
> cutoff.
>
> I've been told of another technique that seems to work even better:
>
> Give the hot engine about 1 second of prime, crazy as is sounds. Put the
> mixture to cutoff. Crack the throttle and start cranking. As the engine
> cranks, slowly bring the mixture forward and it will fire every time (for
> me) on the way up. When it does, it does it nice and gently, unlike the
> full throttle method. I've been using this for a month and it seems to
work
> EVERY time.
>
> As for flooding the engine before trying the start, I quit this one after
> someone told me about the ball of fire I spit from the exhaust while
trying
> to get it started! Rolled all the way down the belly! Nice way to light
up
> your plane, your airport, or more!
>
> Russ
> HRII
>
Tom,
You might know this already, but I always flooded hot Lycomings and then
proceeded the startup with fuel cut off and throttle to the wall. It takes a
bit of practice to acquire the knack. I found that flooding the engine
circulates cooler fuel through the fuel system and gets airlocks and other
mysteries out of the system that comes with a hot engine. It cranks a while
but it always fired up.
The theory, so I believe, is that if you flood the engine, then crank it
with fuel cutoff and fully opened throttle, it is inescapable that there
must come a time when the fuel/air mixture is exactly right and then it will
fire, no exceptions. The trick is to maintain sufficient fuel flow with a
combination of mixture lever and boost pump, to sustain the startup once the
first cylinder fires.
For what it's worth.
Nico
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them.
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com
To:commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job
and
panel are a match.
Indeed.
N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually
hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies."
The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse
where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT.
First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not
on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock
on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked
it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it.
It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it
had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the
right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine.
Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until
I realized it was on one side only.
Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't
need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch."
I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event,
but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert.
I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was
ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it.
Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so
it is still a Skydrol airplane.
It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen
before and still don't know what it was/is.
My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was
that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine
compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really
liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that.
If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to
Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That
would have avoided the damage history.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
bertberry1@aol.com
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Subject: | ebay commander N47RR |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Bert,
I have the photos that Wing Commander took. There are about 30 of them.
The SW style carpet seems to be gone. Same paint and seats.
I also have some copies of the log books.
How do you want to receive them?
Tylor Hall
970-946-7472
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them.
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com
To:commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job
and
panel are a match.
Indeed.
N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually
hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies."
The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse
where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT.
First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not
on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock
on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I
looked
it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it.
It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it
had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the
right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine.
Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until
I realized it was on one side only.
Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't
need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch."
I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event,
but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an
expert.
I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was
ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it.
Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so
it is still a Skydrol airplane.
It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen
before and still don't know what it was/is.
My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was
that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine
compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up
really
liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that.
If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to
Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage.
That
would have avoided the damage history.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
bertberry1@aol.com
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Subject: | ebay commander 47RR |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Bert,
I have electronic copies of the photos that Keith Gordon took.
There are over 30 of them.
How do you want me to send them?
Tylor Hall
970-946-7472
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them.
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com
To:commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job
and
panel are a match.
Indeed.
N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually
hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies."
The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse
where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT.
First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not
on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock
on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I
looked
it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it.
It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it
had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the
right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine.
Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until
I realized it was on one side only.
Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't
need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch."
I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event,
but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an
expert.
I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was
ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it.
Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so
it is still a Skydrol airplane.
It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen
before and still don't know what it was/is.
My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was
that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine
compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up
really
liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that.
If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to
Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage.
That
would have avoided the damage history.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
bertberry1@aol.com
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Subject: | Re: ebay commander 47RR |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
You want them on the website?
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander 47RR
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall"
<tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Bert,
> I have electronic copies of the photos that Keith Gordon took.
> There are over 30 of them.
> How do you want me to send them?
>
> Tylor Hall
> 970-946-7472
>
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
>
> If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CloudCraft@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10
> To:commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time,
> barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint
job
> and
> panel are a match.
> Indeed.
>
> N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually
> hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies."
>
> The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a
warehouse
> where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT.
>
> First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was
not
> on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control
lock
> on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I
> looked
> it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it.
>
> It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it
> had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run,
the
> right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right
engine.
>
> Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on,
until
> I realized it was on one side only.
>
> Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine
didn't
> need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch."
>
> I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike
event,
> but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an
> expert.
>
> I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was
> ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling
it.
>
> Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid
so
> it is still a Skydrol airplane.
>
> It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen
> before and still don't know what it was/is.
>
> My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago
was
> that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine
> compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up
> really
> liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that.
>
> If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to
> Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage.
> That
> would have avoided the damage history.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
> bertberry1@aol.com
>
>
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Subject: | ebay commander N47RR |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Bert,
I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site.
Nico offered and I sent them.
The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last
overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago.
I would have to look it up.
It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas.
Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it.
A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early
Victorian with lots of red velvet.
Mile High Club?
Tylor Hall
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them.
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com
To:commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job
and
panel are a match.
Indeed.
N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually
hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies."
The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse
where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT.
First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not
on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock
on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I
looked
it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it.
It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it
had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the
right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine.
Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until
I realized it was on one side only.
Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't
need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch."
I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event,
but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an
expert.
I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was
ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it.
Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so
it is still a Skydrol airplane.
It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen
before and still don't know what it was/is.
My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was
that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine
compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up
really
liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that.
If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to
Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage.
That
would have avoided the damage history.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
bertberry1@aol.com
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Subject: | Re: ebay commander N47RR |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
Thanks much
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
To:<commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR
--> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Bert,
I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site.
Nico offered and I sent them.
The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last
overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago.
I would have to look it up.
It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas.
Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it.
A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early
Victorian with lots of red velvet.
Mile High Club?
Tylor Hall
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them.
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com
To:commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job
and
panel are a match.
Indeed.
N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually
hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies."
The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse
where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT.
First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not
on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock
on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I
looked
it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it.
It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it
had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the
right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine.
Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until
I realized it was on one side only.
Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't
need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch."
I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event,
but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an
expert.
I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was
ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it.
Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so
it is still a Skydrol airplane.
It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen
before and still don't know what it was/is.
My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was
that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine
compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up
really
liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that.
If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to
Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage.
That
would have avoided the damage history.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
bertberry1@aol.com
bertberry1@aol.com
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Might be Harry's.
Tom F.
C-GISS
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From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on
eBay? There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show
in any of them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country
which doesn't require an annual of maintenance?
>
> Moe
> N680RR
>
>
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Subject: | Re: ebay commander N47RR |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
They're up, folks.
See them here and click on N47RR. You can see other videos and pictures
also. If you go one up there is more information too.
Nico
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall"
<tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Bert,
> I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site.
> Nico offered and I sent them.
>
> The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last
> overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago.
> I would have to look it up.
> It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas.
>
> Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it.
> A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early
> Victorian with lots of red velvet.
>
> Mile High Club?
>
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
>
> If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CloudCraft@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10
> To:commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time,
> barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint
job
> and
> panel are a match.
> Indeed.
>
> N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually
> hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies."
>
> The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a
warehouse
> where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT.
>
> First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was
not
> on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control
lock
> on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I
> looked
> it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it.
>
> It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it
> had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run,
the
> right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right
engine.
>
> Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on,
until
> I realized it was on one side only.
>
> Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine
didn't
> need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch."
>
> I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike
event,
> but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an
> expert.
>
> I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was
> ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling
it.
>
> Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid
so
> it is still a Skydrol airplane.
>
> It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen
> before and still don't know what it was/is.
>
> My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago
was
> that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine
> compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up
> really
> liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that.
>
> If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to
> Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage.
> That
> would have avoided the damage history.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
> bertberry1@aol.com
>
>
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