---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/12/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:28 PM - ebay commander (Moe) 2. 05:01 PM - Re: ebay commander (Bert Berry) 3. 05:13 PM - Re: ebay commander (Barry Collman) 4. 05:59 PM - Re: ebay commander (CloudCraft@aol.com) 5. 06:22 PM - Hot starts (nico css) 6. 06:32 PM - Re: ebay commander (Bert Berry) 7. 06:51 PM - Re: ebay commander N47RR (tylor.hall) 8. 07:05 PM - Re: ebay commander 47RR (tylor.hall) 9. 07:28 PM - Re: ebay commander 47RR (nico css) 10. 08:10 PM - Re: ebay commander N47RR (tylor.hall) 11. 08:22 PM - Re: ebay commander N47RR (Bert Berry) 12. 08:28 PM - Re: ebay commander (Tom Fisher) 13. 11:45 PM - Re: ebay commander N47RR (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:25 PM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't require an annual of maintenance? Moe N680RR ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander From: "Bert Berry" --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" N47RR 1477-5 talk to him yesterday. Bert -----Original Message----- From: "Moe" To: Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't require an annual of maintenance? Moe N680RR bertberry1@aol.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:21 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Moe, Bert just beat me to it ! I was just going to suggest 1477-5, N47RR myself when Bert's email came through. I spent a while looking at those 680FLP's which had the Turbo 800 STC. If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Initially Certificated December 27th 1964, it was the first 680FLP with Dick MacCoon's MR RPM STC. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Berry" Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" | | N47RR 1477-5 talk to him yesterday. | | Bert | -----Original Message----- | From: "Moe" | Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:15:32 | To: | Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" | | Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't require an annual of maintenance? | | Moe | N680RR | | | bertberry1@aol.com | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:28 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:13 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: Hot starts --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Russ, I agree. There is a lot of hot avgas pouring out the overflow, so the fireballs do seem to show up with that technique. However, to date I have not heard of a single fire as a result of this. I may be uniformed. I once was privileged to attend a Bob Hoover show and an Aero Commander had a hard time starting up (not Bob). We were on a balcony right above the 500B and the fireballs that came out on top of the wing were just scary. The pilot could not get the engines going and had to abandon wherever he was going, perhaps much to his embarrassment. The technique you describe works on Continentals, except the throttle is advanced slowly. If I remember correctly, the Centurion and C206 family Cessnas had the fuel pump activated when the throttle was advanced, and it is this that made the Continental technique work well, hot or cold. Once I had a hard time firing up a 310 and there was nothing we could do to even get a beat out of the engines. Maybe the Continentals got pissed off that we tried Lycoming techniques on them. Who knows. I can imagine that your technique would work since the shot of fuel would set up fuel pressure which is slowly released as the mixture is advanced, basically causing the ideal circumstances for combustion at any point during the fuel release. The flooded method uses the reverse of this process by having excess fuel evaporate until the ideal circumstances occur. Whether your technique would work with a vapor lock is not clear, but if it works without scaring the pilot into soiling his pants immediately before a flight, it is a distinct advantage. :-) Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wernerworld" Subject: Rocket-List: Hot starts, Was: Lean side of peak running > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" > > Here's another hot start technique. I had tried many different ones, but > the one thing that scared the shit out of me was the chance of fire. Many > advocate using the "flooded engine" method of full throttle and mixture at > cutoff. > > I've been told of another technique that seems to work even better: > > Give the hot engine about 1 second of prime, crazy as is sounds. Put the > mixture to cutoff. Crack the throttle and start cranking. As the engine > cranks, slowly bring the mixture forward and it will fire every time (for > me) on the way up. When it does, it does it nice and gently, unlike the > full throttle method. I've been using this for a month and it seems to work > EVERY time. > > As for flooding the engine before trying the start, I quit this one after > someone told me about the ball of fire I spit from the exhaust while trying > to get it started! Rolled all the way down the belly! Nice way to light up > your plane, your airport, or more! > > Russ > HRII > Tom, You might know this already, but I always flooded hot Lycomings and then proceeded the startup with fuel cut off and throttle to the wall. It takes a bit of practice to acquire the knack. I found that flooding the engine circulates cooler fuel through the fuel system and gets airlocks and other mysteries out of the system that comes with a hot engine. It cranks a while but it always fired up. The theory, so I believe, is that if you flood the engine, then crank it with fuel cutoff and fully opened throttle, it is inescapable that there must come a time when the fuel/air mixture is exactly right and then it will fire, no exceptions. The trick is to maintain sufficient fuel flow with a combination of mixture lever and boost pump, to sustain the startup once the first cylinder fires. For what it's worth. Nico ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander From: "Bert Berry" --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To:commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1@aol.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:32 PM PST US From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" Bert, I have the photos that Wing Commander took. There are about 30 of them. The SW style carpet seems to be gone. Same paint and seats. I also have some copies of the log books. How do you want to receive them? Tylor Hall 970-946-7472 Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To:commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1@aol.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:10 PM PST US From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander 47RR --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" Bert, I have electronic copies of the photos that Keith Gordon took. There are over 30 of them. How do you want me to send them? Tylor Hall 970-946-7472 Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To:commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1@aol.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:57 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander 47RR --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" You want them on the website? ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander 47RR > --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" > > Bert, > I have electronic copies of the photos that Keith Gordon took. > There are over 30 of them. > How do you want me to send them? > > Tylor Hall > 970-946-7472 > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" > > If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudCraft@aol.com > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 > To:commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander > > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, > barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: > If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job > and > panel are a match. > Indeed. > > N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually > hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." > > The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse > where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. > > First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not > on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock > on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I > looked > it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. > > It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it > had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the > right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. > > Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until > I realized it was on one side only. > > Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't > need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." > > I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, > but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an > expert. > > I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was > ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. > > Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so > it is still a Skydrol airplane. > > It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen > before and still don't know what it was/is. > > My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was > that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine > compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up > really > liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. > > If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to > Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. > That > would have avoided the damage history. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > bertberry1@aol.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:23 PM PST US From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" Bert, I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site. Nico offered and I sent them. The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago. I would have to look it up. It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas. Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it. A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early Victorian with lots of red velvet. Mile High Club? Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To:commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1@aol.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR From: "Bert Berry" --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" Thanks much Bert -----Original Message----- From: "tylor.hall" To: Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" Bert, I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site. Nico offered and I sent them. The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago. I would have to look it up. It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas. Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it. A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early Victorian with lots of red velvet. Mile High Club? Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To:commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1@aol.com bertberry1@aol.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:49 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Might be Harry's. Tom F. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't require an annual of maintenance? > > Moe > N680RR > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:49 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" They're up, folks. See them here and click on N47RR. You can see other videos and pictures also. If you go one up there is more information too. Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR > --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" > > Bert, > I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site. > Nico offered and I sent them. > > The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last > overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago. > I would have to look it up. > It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas. > > Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it. > A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early > Victorian with lots of red velvet. > > Mile High Club? > > Tylor Hall > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" > > If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudCraft@aol.com > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 > To:commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander > > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, > barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: > If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job > and > panel are a match. > Indeed. > > N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually > hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." > > The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse > where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. > > First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not > on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock > on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I > looked > it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. > > It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it > had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the > right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. > > Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until > I realized it was on one side only. > > Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't > need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." > > I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, > but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an > expert. > > I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was > ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. > > Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so > it is still a Skydrol airplane. > > It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen > before and still don't know what it was/is. > > My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was > that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine > compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up > really > liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. > > If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to > Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. > That > would have avoided the damage history. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > bertberry1@aol.com > >