---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/31/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:16 AM - Re: Voltage Regulators (W J R HAMILTON) 2. 01:16 AM - Re: Voltage Regulators (W J R HAMILTON) 3. 08:38 AM - Re: grass strip length (YOURTCFG@AOL.COM) 4. 10:02 AM - Re: Voltage Regulators (Moe) 5. 10:19 AM - Fly-in Preview (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 6. 04:55 PM - Voltage Regulators (W J R HAMILTON) 7. 09:58 PM - Re: Voltage Regulators (tylor.hall) 8. 10:43 PM - FLY-IN!!!!!!!!!! (YOURTCFG@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:17 AM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Barry, Lucas ??? The reason poms drink warm bear, they've got Lucas Fridge's. Have you seen the Jaguar Clubs t-shirt, with a caricature of the old Joseph Lucas and Sons logo In the double circle it says "Joseph Lucas --- Prince of Darkness". The deep dark secret, they not Lucas electrical systems in Jaguars, they are all work on smoke, its not a battery, it's a smoke reservoir, and the proof of this theorem, every time the smoke leaks out, the car stops. My two bob's worth on Lucas. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. also a proprietor of a Mk11 3.8 Coombs and an XK-6C, all now with Bosch. At 07:30 30/08/2005, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > >Don't Lucas do some good ones? > >BC (UK) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators > > >| --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com >| >| A bazillion years ago (1997, to be exact) a company called Zeftronics >| developed and mounted in an Aero Commander, solid state voltage >regulators to >replace >| the Frankenstine units. >| >| I believe Dennis Polito installed some a few years ago in his AC-500-B. >| >| If you can't Google it, let me know and I'll try to find archive issues of >| the Flight Group News that featured these. >| >| Wing Commander Gordon >| >| PS: Is it pronounced "Frankenstine" or "Frankensteen?" >| >| Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:17 AM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Folks, I can testify to the Zeftronics, I have them in the 500A. Neither the previous two owners, nor I have had a problem. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 07:23 30/08/2005, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > >A bazillion years ago (1997, to be exact) a company called Zeftronics >developed and mounted in an Aero Commander, solid state voltage regulators >to replace >the Frankenstine units. > >I believe Dennis Polito installed some a few years ago in his AC-500-B. > >If you can't Google it, let me know and I'll try to find archive issues of >the Flight Group News that featured these. > >Wing Commander Gordon > >PS: Is it pronounced "Frankenstine" or "Frankensteen?" > >Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:26 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Commander-List: grass strip length --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 8/29/2005 3:07:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ben@gmpexpress.net writes: it says there that the 680 will beat the 680E HELO BEN. I own a 680E. I also fly and have flown every short bodied piston type, except the 520, 560 and 680F. I fly my 680E from a 2600 ft strip and can use 1/2. any day, any load. Book figures aside, the 680E will outperform all other short bodied Commanders except the 680F. Part of the difference in performance numbers is the gross weight the airplanes are certified at. For instance, the 680 has a gross weight 500lbs less that the 680E. The 560E is thousand pounds less, same airframe. Since TO performance is basically a "drag race" to see who can accelerate to take off speed first, the 500 pound penalty the 680E carries skews the true numbers. Same weight, same day, the 680E will blow the doors off all of them, except maybe the "F" (and I have empirical knowable) That said, the 680E is probably not the perfect Commander. Almost any of it's flat naccelled brethren will out run it on 20% less fuel. Performance is a ballancing act. If you want the very best short field, the 680E is the one. If you want a great balance of performance, maybe another model will fit your needs better. BTY, I was born and raised flying the Idaho back country. A Commander works great!! I used to love flying into Johnson Creek or Garden Valley with my 560A. All those harry chested Cessna 180 and 206 guys couldn't believe their eyes when the Commander came around the corner. It looked like an airliner!! Good luck, choose wisely. jb. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:23 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Bill, How many amps are the generators on your 500A? Problem is, they advise that their voltage regulators will handle a maximum of 50 amps, whereas, my plane has 100 amp generators. Thanx! Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "W J R HAMILTON" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > Folks, > I can testify to the Zeftronics, I have them in the 500A. > Neither the previous two owners, nor I have had a problem. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > > At 07:23 30/08/2005, you wrote: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > > >A bazillion years ago (1997, to be exact) a company called Zeftronics > >developed and mounted in an Aero Commander, solid state voltage regulators > >to replace > >the Frankenstine units. > > > >I believe Dennis Polito installed some a few years ago in his AC-500-B. > > > >If you can't Google it, let me know and I'll try to find archive issues of > >the Flight Group News that featured these. > > > >Wing Commander Gordon > > > >PS: Is it pronounced "Frankenstine" or "Frankensteen?" > > > >Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services > and Warbirds.Net. & . > This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It > is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are > not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of > this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege > attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the > mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please > notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 > Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:11 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Commander-List: Fly-in Preview --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Hello Commanderland..!! Just wanted to share a neat "sneak peek" at the venue for the Fly-in coming up next month. I dropped off my 680F at Morris Kernick's hangar in Stockton (SCK) on Monday for it's annual, and John Vormbaum volunteered to give me a lift in his 500B back home to San Luis Obispo (SBP). But first, we stopped in Marina (near Monterey) to pick up JimBob, who was down doing some pre-flyin planning. It was great to see the location for the Fly-in...lots of ramp space, very nice meeting room, and facilities at the old Fort Ord army base. It's going to be a great event. It was really nice to see JB and his wife, and to share a great Commander ride in John's 500B. Looking forward to seeing many of you at the fly-in. JB says that he's only got a handful of sign-ups so far. Let's get with the program, and get your reservations turned in..!! See you all next month. Randy Dettmer 680F / N6253X ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:48 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Moe, I will double check next time I am out at the hangar, also the P/N of the regulators. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 02:46 1/09/2005, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > >Bill, > >How many amps are the generators on your 500A? Problem is, they advise that >their voltage regulators will handle a maximum of 50 amps, whereas, my plane >has 100 amp generators. > >Thanx! > >Moe >N680RR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "W J R HAMILTON" >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > > > > Folks, > > I can testify to the Zeftronics, I have them in the 500A. > > Neither the previous two owners, nor I have had a problem. > > Cheers, > > Bill Hamilton > > > > > > At 07:23 30/08/2005, you wrote: > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > > > > >A bazillion years ago (1997, to be exact) a company called Zeftronics > > >developed and mounted in an Aero Commander, solid state voltage >regulators > > >to replace > > >the Frankenstine units. > > > > > >I believe Dennis Polito installed some a few years ago in his AC-500-B. > > > > > >If you can't Google it, let me know and I'll try to find archive issues >of > > >the Flight Group News that featured these. > > > > > >Wing Commander Gordon > > > > > >PS: Is it pronounced "Frankenstine" or "Frankensteen?" > > > > > >Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > > W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet >Services > > and Warbirds.Net. & . > > This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It > > is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are > > not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of > > this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege > > attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the > > mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, >please > > notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 > > Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:17 PM PST US From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" Moe, Gary Gadberry at Air Center owns the STC for the A/C units in Twin Commanders and part of the kit is 90 AMP Alternators to carry the extra load. I do not know if the alternator mod is an STC by its self. You may want to call them to see which regulator they use as part of the STC. Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Bill, How many amps are the generators on your 500A? Problem is, they advise that their voltage regulators will handle a maximum of 50 amps, whereas, my plane has 100 amp generators. Thanx! Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "W J R HAMILTON" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Voltage Regulators > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > Folks, > I can testify to the Zeftronics, I have them in the 500A. > Neither the previous two owners, nor I have had a problem. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > > At 07:23 30/08/2005, you wrote: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > > >A bazillion years ago (1997, to be exact) a company called Zeftronics > >developed and mounted in an Aero Commander, solid state voltage regulators > >to replace > >the Frankenstine units. > > > >I believe Dennis Polito installed some a few years ago in his AC-500-B. > > > >If you can't Google it, let me know and I'll try to find archive issues of > >the Flight Group News that featured these. > > > >Wing Commander Gordon > > > >PS: Is it pronounced "Frankenstine" or "Frankensteen?" > > > >Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services > and Warbirds.Net. & . > This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It > is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are > not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of > this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege > attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the > mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please > notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 > Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:34 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@AOL.COM Subject: Commander-List: FLY-IN!!!!!!!!!! --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com HI KIDS. Well, the time is short!! I about three weeks the TCFG will be meeting in Marina CA. (OAR) Sue and I just returned form there making the last minute arrangements. This year may be the best ever. We have great speakers lined up on great subjects. There will be important news. Like, Andrew Towner is in the final stages of establishing a first class piston Commander training facility, complete with a Commander flight training device. The software for the trainer has already been written and he planes to use a cabin section from a real Commander. They will also be able to provide "real" training in the company Shrike. This is amazing good news, so plan to attend and get all the straight skinny. We will be meeting in a nice room at the Marina airport office. We have a TV, VCR overhead and power point capabilities. It will be a great place to lean about Commanders. The awards dinner and auction is being held at Gilberts Seafood Restraint with a not to be missed view of Monterey Bay!! We have a great fly-out planned. On Friday, John Vormbaum will be leading us to Columbia CA to a small "Gold rush town" for lunch. On Saturday, the ladies will have a day of shopping in Carmel Ca while the "boys" talk Commanders. There will be tons of great food and Commanders, Commanders, Commanders. The sign up is bigger that usual for this time so if you are planning to attend (and you should be planning to attend, lest why would you be on this chat list), get your registration info in NOW!! Enterprise rent-a-car will be delivering cars to the Marina airport and they can be dropped there after the event. Make you reservation through the Seaside Ca office. Be sure to ask for the TCFG rate. We have set up a corporate account to get a discount. If you have never been to a TCFG fly-in, you don't know what you are missing. If you love Commanders, own a Commander, think you might buy a Commander or just want to have a great time around great people and great airplanes, register today and we will see you there!! Jim Metzger (capt jimbob) Director, Twin Commander Flight Group