Commander-List Digest Archive

Fri 10/07/05


Total Messages Posted: 8



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:09 AM - Re: sighting (Barry Collman)
     2. 07:36 AM - Fly-In & Beyond (Barry Collman)
     3. 01:33 PM - Zero Thrust Setting (steve2)
     4. 02:40 PM - Re: Zero Thrust Setting (cloudcraft@AOL.COM)
     5. 03:14 PM - Re: Zero Thrust Setting (nico css)
     6. 06:28 PM - Re: Zero Thrust Setting (Steven)
     7. 06:53 PM - Re: Zero Thrust Setting (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
     8. 07:06 PM - Re: Zero Thrust Setting (nico css)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:09:37 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: sighting
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi Chris, Just got back from OKC yesterday. I saw N590W at Guthrie, where it is based, and it does look very smart. Also saw s/n 86 N4179B, which is based at Perry. Must dash - loads of emails to respond to! Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> Subject: Commander-List: sighting | --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> | | Barry, | Saw 520-126 (N590W) at a fly-in in Alva, OK this weekend. Looks like | someone has put quite a bit of effort into a renovation recently. She | was sporting a nice new white/blue paint scheme (done in California | according to a sticker) and a pair of new 2-bladed props. Panel was | still very original and not much to talk about, but the airplane | appeared to be in good condition. | | Chris | | | | | | |


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    Time: 07:36:34 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Fly-In & Beyond
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi guys! Arrived back home in the UK yesterday afternoon. I'll add my plaudits to Jim & Susan for organising yet another really great Fly-In. The people who attend are such really terrific people to be around. Senses of humour are in abundance, as are generosity and kindness. I honestly doubt if there's a better group on the planet. In fact, it is impossible that there is. I was quite taken aback with "The Polished Piston Award of Excellence"! This now has pride of place on display at home. Sincere thanks JimBob! Sincere thanks too must go to John Towner, not only for the gift of a "Hoover" Shrike, but for generously utilising some of his Southwest Reward tickets to see me safely from Oakland to Oklahoma City. The memories from all the Fly-Ins are cherished, but this one will be perhaps remembered even more. Someone at the Fly-In told me that the guy who flies an A-26 of the Commemorative Air Force from Wiley Post (Bethany) Oklahoma, also flew the 695A that was configured as the proposed Model 1200. Well, I was driving past it one afternoon in my rented Durango (a free upgrade, as it was the last vehicle Enterprise had left, apart from a pick-up), when I saw someone working on it. After introducing myself, I found out not only did he fly it, but also was the guy who flew the 1200! His name is David Huffman, an Airbus A300 Captain with UPS. Another really affable guy and it was a pleasure chatting to him. I know you're not going to believe this, but I actually turned down a trip to Midland, Texas in the A-26!! It was going there for an airshow on Thursday September 29th and was returning on the Sunday. I must be mental, but hey guys, Commander research must come first! As it turned out, I was about 6 Commanders short of what I hoped to research, so this figure would have been even more if I'd taken another day-and-a-half "off duty". JimBob, I also met John Stephen Bills, who owns a Shrike based at Wiley Post. John has owned N807AC (s/n 3281) since June 1989 and had a 500U (N1010U, 1725-28) before that. He was going to get in touch regarding Membership of the TCFG. I hope he has, but if not, let me know. I have his email and will be sending him the history of his two Shrikes later today. Lastly, sincere thanks to everybody who attended the Fly-In. You are all such wonderful people and I'm so proud to be associated with you all. I'm already looking forward to Dayton next year. Sincere Best Regards, Barry


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    Time: 01:33:34 PM PST US
    From: "steve2" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Zero Thrust Setting
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" <steve2@sover.net> You fellows running 500B's or Shrikes.... Have any worked out a good zero thrust power setting for practice? We are usually operating off airports around 500' ASL. Steve


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    Time: 02:40:55 PM PST US
    From: cloudcraft@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Zero Thrust Setting
    --> Commander-List message posted by: cloudcraft@aol.com On the Lycoming IO-540 I used 2000 RPM and 13" MAP. Not sure if it was true zero thrust, but it kept the engine(s) happy and was a good simulation of zero thrust from what I compared handling like with one really caged. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: steve2 <steve2@sover.net> Subject: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" <steve2@sover.net> You fellows running 500B's or Shrikes.... Have any worked out a good zero thrust power setting for practice? We are usually operating off airports around 500' ASL. Steve


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    Time: 03:14:28 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Re: Zero Thrust Setting
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> If I remember correctly, that's about the setting I used also. Otherwise, climb to a safe altitude, feather an eninge, check the vital signs, restart and recreate. Do it with first one and then the other because there ought to be a different setting for the left engine than the right. Or am I missing something? Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <cloudcraft@aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting > --> Commander-List message posted by: cloudcraft@aol.com > > On the Lycoming IO-540 I used 2000 RPM and 13" MAP. Not sure if it was > true zero thrust, but it kept the engine(s) happy and was a good > simulation of zero thrust from what I compared handling like with one > really caged. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > -----Original Message----- > From: steve2 <steve2@sover.net> > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" <steve2@sover.net> > > You fellows running 500B's or Shrikes.... Have any worked out a good > zero > thrust power setting for practice? We are usually operating off > airports > around 500' ASL. > > Steve > >


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    Time: 06:28:04 PM PST US
    From: "Steven" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: Zero Thrust Setting
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" <steve2@sover.net> Thanks guys for your thoughts. Commander Gordon gave me a good target setting for starters, and Nico your method makes sense to me too. But I'd be happy for any pearls of wisdom. I read with great interest some of the other fellows accounts of short-field operations, and in my mind the engine-out scenario during such operations wasn't pretty. With about 500 hours in this thing, I'm getting reasonably comfortable with the machine, so its time to drill some more and see (from a safe altitude.) Problem of course is with a normally aspirated Commander a safe altitude is making a sea-level VMC demo less realistic. In a separate message, Mr. John Towner seconds 13" MP. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > <nico@cybersuperstore.com> > > If I remember correctly, that's about the setting I used also. > > Otherwise, climb to a safe altitude, feather an eninge, check the vital > signs, restart and recreate. Do it with first one and then the other > because > there ought to be a different setting for the left engine than the right. > Or > am I missing something? > > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <cloudcraft@aol.com> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: cloudcraft@aol.com >> >> On the Lycoming IO-540 I used 2000 RPM and 13" MAP. Not sure if it was >> true zero thrust, but it kept the engine(s) happy and was a good >> simulation of zero thrust from what I compared handling like with one >> really caged. >> >> Wing Commander Gordon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: steve2 <steve2@sover.net> >> To: commander-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting >> >> --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" <steve2@sover.net> >> >> You fellows running 500B's or Shrikes.... Have any worked out a good >> zero >> thrust power setting for practice? We are usually operating off >> airports >> around 500' ASL. >> >> Steve >> >> > > >


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    Time: 06:53:09 PM PST US
    From: YOURTCFG@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Zero Thrust Setting
    --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 10/7/2005 2:41:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cloudcraft@AOL.COM writes: Not sure if it was true zero thrust WCG Glad to hear from you. Hope you had a good ride home. I enjoyed our time together!! jb


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    Time: 07:06:10 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Re: Zero Thrust Setting
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> John Towner has a problem with sending mail to the list but, if I may relay his message to me, that they would not fully shut down an engine in training because of many single-engine accidents when the dead engine cannot be restarted or unfeathered if accumulators are not installed. I agree. However, I practiced real engine-out procedures on my own time to stay current, especially being able to fluently do the whole routine (virtually) blindfolded. I figured that there won't be time to recite poetry when an engine out occurs close to the ground. And I don't need an excuse to go and drill a hole in the sky. I have never really considered the difference between sea level and high altitude practices with normally aspirated engines much of a concern if things happen on the right side of the vmc. If things happen on the wrong side of vmc, which never happened to me so I should say that my take on it is at best a hypothesis, one should consider being in an underpowered single where the live engine is merely able to make small changes to the glide angle. If things happen really close to the ground, cut power and land (which will be quick. No suffering.). My take. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven" <steve2@sover.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" <steve2@sover.net> > > Thanks guys for your thoughts. Commander Gordon gave me a good target > setting for starters, and Nico your method makes sense to me too. But I'd be > happy for any pearls of wisdom. I read with great interest some of the other > fellows accounts of short-field operations, and in my mind the engine-out > scenario during such operations wasn't pretty. With about 500 hours in this > thing, I'm getting reasonably comfortable with the machine, so its time to > drill some more and see (from a safe altitude.) Problem of course is with a > normally aspirated Commander a safe altitude is making a sea-level VMC demo > less realistic. > > In a separate message, Mr. John Towner seconds 13" MP. > > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > <nico@cybersuperstore.com> > > > > If I remember correctly, that's about the setting I used also. > > > > Otherwise, climb to a safe altitude, feather an eninge, check the vital > > signs, restart and recreate. Do it with first one and then the other > > because > > there ought to be a different setting for the left engine than the right. > > Or > > am I missing something? > > > > Nico > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <cloudcraft@aol.com> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting > > > > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: cloudcraft@aol.com > >> > >> On the Lycoming IO-540 I used 2000 RPM and 13" MAP. Not sure if it was > >> true zero thrust, but it kept the engine(s) happy and was a good > >> simulation of zero thrust from what I compared handling like with one > >> really caged. > >> > >> Wing Commander Gordon > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: steve2 <steve2@sover.net> > >> To: commander-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: Commander-List: Zero Thrust Setting > >> > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" <steve2@sover.net> > >> > >> You fellows running 500B's or Shrikes.... Have any worked out a good > >> zero > >> thrust power setting for practice? We are usually operating off > >> airports > >> around 500' ASL. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > > > > > > > >




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