---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/20/05: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:03 AM - Re: 680S For Sale () 2. 03:03 AM - Re: 680S For Sale (Barry Collman) 3. 05:53 AM - Re: 680S For Sale (tylor.hall) 4. 06:18 AM - Re: 680S For Sale (Barry Collman) 5. 10:18 AM - Re: 680S For Sale (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 6. 10:34 AM - Re: 680S For Sale (Barry Collman) 7. 07:21 PM - My former Commander life (Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:06 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680S For Sale --> Commander-List message posted by: G'day Jim, Please send me details...or email link-up. Cheers from Oz Russell PS Still searching for a great Commander! ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:14:07 EDT >From: YOURTCFG@aol.com >Subject: Commander-List: 680S For Sale >To: commander-list@matronics.com > >--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > >HI KIDS. > > I have a friend who is selling his 680. It is an "S" that was >converted to an "E" by the factory. The airplane has older avionics and average >PT & INT. I think about 500 SMOH. Needs propellers and cleveland brakes. It >is hangared and was in annual until recently. It has Swerengin main landing > gear doors, kinda rare. I think $65K will buy it. This is the very first >Commander I ever actually touched, nearly 30 years ago!! Contact me if you >are interested. jb > > =============== =============== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:35 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680S For Sale --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi JimBob & CommanderLand, Yep, those Swearingen gear doors are kinda rare! I've found only one 560A(HC) and ten 680's with that mod. under STC SA2-851. But, only one of these candidates has been converted to a 680E. And, it's registered in Jim's backyard in Washington. Therefore, I'll risk sticking my neck out and guess that it's N6863S, s/n 380 (formerly 680-380-63), built in August 1956. Do I get a box of cigars, or some make-up to disguise the red face? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: 680S For Sale | --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | | HI KIDS. | | I have a friend who is selling his 680. It is an "S" that was | converted to an "E" by the factory. The airplane has older avionics and average | PT & INT. I think about 500 SMOH. Needs propellers and cleveland brakes. It | is hangared and was in annual until recently. It has Swerengin main landing | gear doors, kinda rare. I think $65K will buy it. This is the very first | Commander I ever actually touched, nearly 30 years ago!! Contact me if you | are interested. jb | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:20 AM PST US From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680S For Sale --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" JB and Barry, What was the conversion from a 680S to 680E? The factory E has the longer wing, newer panel, and ? Was the engine changed? What is special about the Swearingen gear doors? Do you have any photos that you can send to Nico to post? Lots of dumb questions. Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680S For Sale --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi JimBob & CommanderLand, Yep, those Swearingen gear doors are kinda rare! I've found only one 560A(HC) and ten 680's with that mod. under STC SA2-851. But, only one of these candidates has been converted to a 680E. And, it's registered in Jim's backyard in Washington. Therefore, I'll risk sticking my neck out and guess that it's N6863S, s/n 380 (formerly 680-380-63), built in August 1956. Do I get a box of cigars, or some make-up to disguise the red face? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: 680S For Sale | --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | | HI KIDS. | | I have a friend who is selling his 680. It is an "S" that was | converted to an "E" by the factory. The airplane has older avionics and average | PT & INT. I think about 500 SMOH. Needs propellers and cleveland brakes. It | is hangared and was in annual until recently. It has Swerengin main landing | gear doors, kinda rare. I think $65K will buy it. This is the very first | Commander I ever actually touched, nearly 30 years ago!! Contact me if you | are interested. jb | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:54 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680S For Sale --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Tylor, As far as I thought, the conversion was 'simply' the extended wing, but the engines were probably changed from GSO-480-A1A6 to -B1A6 as well, if not already having been changed. Some were converted under Commander Engineering Report No. G10-163. I think I have a copy of that Report somewhere, but it hasn't fallen easily to hand. Others quoted Drawing Numbers 5200013 and 5200018. But Bill McGinnis, in helping us put together a 'Fact File' on the Model 680E, says: "Since there was also a gross weight change involved here, there were a number of loose ends that needed modification as well, other than wing extensions, to arrive at a Model 680E (such as instrument markings, control surface deflection changes, flight manual revision, etc). These can all be found by researching and comparing all of the sub-drawings listed on the Model 680 and 680E top drawings ( 6100009 and 6100014 respectively). To avoid this kind of drudgery it was usually the practice to create a 'top mod drawing' or report which was specific as to what required adding, deleting or modification, hence Engineering Report No. G10-163." The Swearingen gear doors were two long, quite narrow doors that, when closed, covered the MLG leg 'hole' in the underside of the nacelle. I do have a few photos that show the doors, but most of them are not too clear. However, there is one color shot of N6877S, 680-462-132, taken at Chino, California that I'll scan and send to Nico. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680S For Sale | --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" | | JB and Barry, | What was the conversion from a 680S to 680E? | The factory E has the longer wing, newer panel, and ? | Was the engine changed? | | What is special about the Swearingen gear doors? | | Do you have any photos that you can send to Nico to post? | | Lots of dumb questions. | | Tylor Hall | | | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680S For Sale | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | | Hi JimBob & CommanderLand, | | Yep, those Swearingen gear doors are kinda rare! | | I've found only one 560A(HC) and ten 680's with that mod. under STC SA2-851. | | But, only one of these candidates has been converted to a 680E. And, it's | registered in Jim's backyard in Washington. | | Therefore, I'll risk sticking my neck out and guess that it's N6863S, s/n | 380 | (formerly 680-380-63), built in August 1956. | | Do I get a box of cigars, or some make-up to disguise the red face? | | Best Regards, | Barry | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: | To: | Subject: Commander-List: 680S For Sale | | || --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com || || HI KIDS. || || I have a friend who is selling his 680. It is an "S" that was || converted to an "E" by the factory. The airplane has older avionics and | average || PT & INT. I think about 500 SMOH. Needs propellers and cleveland | brakes. | It || is hangared and was in annual until recently. It has Swerengin main | landing || gear doors, kinda rare. I think $65K will buy it. This is the very | first || Commander I ever actually touched, nearly 30 years ago!! Contact me if | you || are interested. jb || || || || || || || | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:07 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680S For Sale --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 10/20/2005 3:04:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Do I get a box of cigars, or some make-up to disguise the red face Yippee, you win!! jb ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:47 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680S For Sale --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Lucky guess ;-) Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680S For Sale | --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | | | In a message dated 10/20/2005 3:04:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, | barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: | | Do I get a box of cigars, or some make-up to disguise the red face | | | Yippee, you win!! jb | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:08 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: My former Commander life From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" All the notes from listers and members regarding the Commander Fly-in got me reminiscing, and so I've been working on trying to explain my fondness for Commanders ever since. Commanders were instrumental in my love of flying and my former career. I hope I've been able to convey that in my little missive about why I like Commanders: http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/My_Commanders.htm Comments and corrections are welcome. -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals