---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/28/05: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:07 PM - Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions (rw4dv8s@aol.com) 2. 04:23 PM - eBay Commanders (Ben Baltrusaitis) 3. 04:32 PM - Re: eBay Commanders (Chris Schuermann) 4. 05:39 PM - Re: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions (RRamm52@cs.com) 5. 07:52 PM - Re: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions (CloudCraft@aol.com) 6. 08:17 PM - Re: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions (RRamm52@cs.com) 7. 08:32 PM - Re: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions (John Vormbaum) 8. 08:40 PM - Re: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions (RRamm52@cs.com) 9. 09:40 PM - Re: eBay Commanders () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:59 PM PST US From: rw4dv8s@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions --> Commander-List message posted by: rw4dv8s@aol.com I have a couple of 500B questions. Has anyone seen TAS vs power settings for a 1960 500B? The manual is pretty skimpy. The fuel valve switch is a three position switch with top as "open", neutral and down labeled closed. I have been instructed to leave the switch at neutral all the time. Any thoughts? Any tidbits that are not in the manual that are good to know? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:48 PM PST US From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Subject: Commander-List: eBay Commanders --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Has anyone noticed that there are THREE Commanders listed on eBay right now? A 520, 560-A and a 680. There are also two ad items for sale. The IDs are: 4585815499 4585815871 None of this is mine nor do I have an interest in any of these. I just thought it was unusual for three Commanders to be for sale at the same time. Ben ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:28 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: eBay Commanders --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Ben Baltrusaitis wrote: > Has anyone noticed that there are THREE Commanders listed on eBay right now? A 520, 560-A and a 680. I've been watching those as well Ben. That pretty 560 used to belong to Milt Concannon. I'd guess the current owner has over $200,000 invested in that bird based on what I know. Pretty sad that it looks like it's going to sell for under $20k. Dunno if you saw the "questions" about the 680. There was a person asking if he could fly it from the east coast to Ca on one engine so it would be "ekonomical" (guess he figured that since one motor was shot that he could then afford to fly it???) I've seen that 520 but I can't quite put my finger on the details. Sure would be nice to see each of those airplanes find a caring new owner who had the ability to restore them, but I bet they all end up at the scrap yard within the year :-( Chris ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:34 PM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com In a message dated 10/28/2005 2:13:41 PM Central Standard Time, rw4dv8s@aol.com writes: > I have a couple of 500B questions. > > Has anyone seen TAS vs power settings for a 1960 500B? The manual is pretty > skimpy. > > The fuel valve switch is a three position switch with top as "open", neutral > and down labeled closed. I have been instructed to leave the switch at > neutral all the time. Any thoughts? > > Any tidbits that are not in the manual that are good to know? The guillotine valves should be left open. They are firewall shutoff valves in case of fire, etc.. Some folks use them to shut down the engines. I leave them open. Rob 1965 500B ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:02 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 28-Oct-05 17:40:16 Pacific Daylight Time, RRamm52@cs.com writes: The guillotine valves should be left open. They are firewall shutoff valves in case of fire, etc.. Some folks use them to shut down the engines. I leave them open. Not necessarily. They should not be used for engine shut down, but many operators do turn the fuel valves OFF after shut down just in case there is seepage in engine fuel control components. (Remember, there is head pressure if the wings are topped off, as they should be for long storage times, to prolong fuel bladder life) The three positions are closed, neutral and open -- but power to the valve is supposed to be momentary to open or close the valve, as sensed by position or limit switches. The neutral position means no power to the valve. Lots of pilots like to have appliances unpowered when not in use, in case of failed limit switches, etc. One smallish advantage to leaving the fuel switches in neutral, after cycling the fuel valve OFF, is that a thief unfamiliar with Commanders will not get the engines to run more than a few seconds. I don't know if any Commander thefts have really be thwarted by this, but my theory is that anyone stealing an airplane should have to earn of much of it as possible. As far as performance goes, I don't have any charts around and probably never did. I've found that at DENALTs of 8000 to 10,000, the average 500B has a hull speed of 165 knots (TAS) at 62-65% power. Push the power and fuel flows up and you'll get 175 to 178 Knots. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:43 PM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com In a message dated 10/28/2005 9:54:38 PM Central Standard Time, CloudCraft@aol.com writes: > As far as performance goes, I don't have any charts around and probably > never > did. I've found that at DENALTs of 8000 to 10,000, the average 500B has a > hull speed of 165 knots (TAS) at 62-65% power. > > Push the power and fuel flows up and you'll get 175 to 178 Knots. > > Wing Commander Gordon Hello, Gordon Good to hear from you. What do you think [or know] the shrike kit does for cruise? Full throttle, LOP at about 12,000 feet? And winglets, if they matter in cruise at that altitude. We also have the Q tip props. Stock IO540's....we'll report back to you with observed performance in another couple of weeks, God willing.....and the money pump keeps working..... Thanks, Rob ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:04 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" I leave them open, but return the switches to the neutral position so that there is no current to the servos. /J ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions > --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com > > In a message dated 10/28/2005 2:13:41 PM Central Standard Time, > rw4dv8s@aol.com writes: > > I have a couple of 500B questions. > > > > Has anyone seen TAS vs power settings for a 1960 500B? The manual is pretty > > skimpy. > > > > The fuel valve switch is a three position switch with top as "open", neutral > > and down labeled closed. I have been instructed to leave the switch at > > neutral all the time. Any thoughts? > > > > Any tidbits that are not in the manual that are good to know? > > The guillotine valves should be left open. They are firewall shutoff valves > in case of fire, etc.. Some folks use them to shut down the engines. I leave > them open. > Rob 1965 500B > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:10 PM PST US From: RRamm52@cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com Hi, John The limit switches cut the power when the servo reaches the desired position.... we could start with a bunch of "what ifs", but that would end with"If we never fly, we won't have any problems in the air"..... Rob john@vormbaum.com writes: > > > I leave them open, but return the switches to the neutral position so that > there is no current to the servos. > > /J > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other > questions > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com > > > >In a message dated 10/28/2005 2:13:41 PM Central Standard Time, > >rw4dv8s@aol.com writes: > >>I have a couple of 500B questions. > >> > >>Has anyone seen TAS vs power settings for a 1960 500B? The manual is > pretty > >>skimpy. > >> > >>The fuel valve switch is a three position switch with top as "open", > neutral > >>and down labeled closed. I have been instructed to leave the switch at > >>neutral all the time. Any thoughts? > >> > >>Any tidbits that are not in the manual that are good to know? > > > >The guillotine valves should be left open. They are firewall shutoff > valves > >in case of fire, etc.. Some folks use them to shut down the engines. I > leave > >them open. > >Rob 1965 500B ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:55 PM PST US From: "" Subject: Re: Commander-List: eBay Commanders --> Commander-List message posted by: "" The 520 is N2627B, sn139. Does anyone know this one? Phil Stubbs > [Original Message] > From: Chris Schuermann > To: > Date: 10/28/2005 7:32:21 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: eBay Commanders > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > Ben Baltrusaitis wrote: > > Has anyone noticed that there are THREE Commanders listed on eBay right now? A 520, 560-A and a 680. > > I've been watching those as well Ben. > That pretty 560 used to belong to Milt Concannon. I'd guess the current > owner has over $200,000 invested in that bird based on what I know. > Pretty sad that it looks like it's going to sell for under $20k. > Dunno if you saw the "questions" about the 680. There was a person > asking if he could fly it from the east coast to Ca on one engine so it > would be "ekonomical" (guess he figured that since one motor was shot > that he could then afford to fly it???) > I've seen that 520 but I can't quite put my finger on the details. Sure > would be nice to see each of those airplanes find a caring new owner who > had the ability to restore them, but I bet they all end up at the scrap > yard within the year :-( > > Chris > >