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1. 12:34 AM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/25/05 (Bill Bow)
2. 01:26 AM - Re: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions (John Vormbaum)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: eBay Commanders (tylor.hall)
4. 09:30 AM - Re: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions (RRamm52@cs.com)
5. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/25/05 (RRamm52@cs.com)
6. 09:36 AM - hurricane destroyed commanders (RRamm52@cs.com)
7. 10:13 AM - Fuel Valves and Meteors (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 11:16 AM - Re: Fuel Valves and Meteors (Steven)
9. 11:16 AM - Re: Fuel Valves and Meteors (Steven)
10. 11:28 AM - Re: Fuel Valves and Meteors (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
11. 01:21 PM - sighting for Barry - N2657B (Chris Schuermann)
12. 02:06 PM - only one in existance.... (Chris Schuermann)
13. 02:06 PM - only one in existance.... (Chris Schuermann)
14. 05:58 PM - Re: eBay Commanders, 520 N2627B, SN 139 (tylor.hall)
15. 06:54 PM - Re: eBay Commanders, 520 N2627B, SN 139 (Chris Schuermann)
16. 07:04 PM - Re: eBay Commanders, 520 N2627B, SN 139 ()
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/25/05 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
What if it won't run?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Farmer" <daniellfarmer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/25/05
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer@yahoo.com>
>
> I do not know about anyone else but it burns my a-- that you have a weeks
> warning to move your airplane and you leave it setting in the path of a
> known hurricane. In the case of Commanders it is a loss of an endangered
> species. It also has to affect every ones insurance cost. Actually I
> would think an insurance company might claim you did not take normal
> precautions to protect and avoid risk and try to disallow a claim.
>
> There I have vented my spleen!!!
> dan farmer
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> 1. 06:52 AM - Fw: HAPPY HALLOWEEN! (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
> 2. 05:27 PM - Re: My former Commander life (alh1@juno.com)
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>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 06:52:37 AM PST US
> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
> "ANGEL FLIGHT SC" ,
> "B J YOUNG" ,
> "barry.collman" ,
> "BILL MUNRO" ,
> "BILL WILSON" ,
> "BROOKE D HARLOW"
> ,
> "candice" ,
> "carol haskins" ,
> "CLOUDCRAFT" ,
> "commander-list"
> Subject: Commander-List: Fw: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
> 0.20 FROM_NO_LOWER From address has no lower-case characters
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> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
>
> Message
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurin Chevaillier
> Subject: FW: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ellen kelly [mailto:ellenkelly@charter.net]
> Subject: Fw: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shelley Gregg
> Subject: Fw: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martha Edwards
> Subject: Fw: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Blair
> Subject: FW: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Margaret Pace [mailto:MPace@stratfordland.com]
> Subject: FW: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
>
>
> From: Wanda Carley
> Subject: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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> Time: 05:27:13 PM PST US
> From: "alh1@juno.com"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: My former Commander life
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "alh1@juno.com"
>
> barry, two commanders were destroyed at lantana airport (lna) both were
> 500's.
> one is 89M and i think the other is 51B. i will get the correct number on
> the
> one with the 51B number, but i am sure of the 89M. the hurricane (wilma)
> destroyed
> almost every airplane that was not hangared on the field. my guess is
> 50 in all. several more aircraft were damaged when the hangars were
> destroyed.
> no other commander damage except for minor damage on the other two that
> were outside. we had three commanders in our hangar and another we flew
> out to
> north carolina. mine n628ah). we have a colemill on the field that came up
> from chile and it was slightly damaged, but i do not have the number with
> me
> on that one. let me know if you need more numbers. al hoffman
>
>
> Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
> Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Rob, you're so right. As an example, I was trained to leave them open and
never close them unless I was on fire, because "what if you were at a remote
strip, and a servo failed on actuation while the valve was closed? Then
you'd be stuck there!"
I guess you could "what if" yourself right out of flying if you weren't
careful.
Although with all the training I've had, I was unaware that those fuel
valves had limit switches. That's why I love this list.....500+ hours & 5
years down the line, and I still learn something new about these marvelous
airplanes on a regular basis.
Cheers,
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other
questions
> --> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
>
> Hi, John
> The limit switches cut the power when the servo reaches the desired
> position....
> we could start with a bunch of "what ifs", but that would end with"If we
> never fly, we won't have any problems in the air".....
> Rob
>
> john@vormbaum.com writes:
> > <john@vormbaum.com>
> >
> > I leave them open, but return the switches to the neutral position so
that
> > there is no current to the servos.
> >
> > /J
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <RRamm52@cs.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other
> > questions
> >
> >
> > >--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
> > >
> > >In a message dated 10/28/2005 2:13:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> > >rw4dv8s@aol.com writes:
> > >>I have a couple of 500B questions.
> > >>
> > >>Has anyone seen TAS vs power settings for a 1960 500B? The manual is
> > pretty
> > >>skimpy.
> > >>
> > >>The fuel valve switch is a three position switch with top as "open",
> > neutral
> > >>and down labeled closed. I have been instructed to leave the switch
at
> > >>neutral all the time. Any thoughts?
> > >>
> > >>Any tidbits that are not in the manual that are good to know?
> > >
> > >The guillotine valves should be left open. They are firewall shutoff
> > valves
> > >in case of fire, etc.. Some folks use them to shut down the engines. I
> > leave
> > >them open.
> > >Rob 1965 500B
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Phil,
The phone number is here in NM, but the location is in Pearland, TX.
I will call on it and find out some things.
Tylor Hall
Subject: Re: Commander-List: eBay Commanders
--> Commander-List message posted by: "" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
The 520 is N2627B, sn139. Does anyone know this one?
Phil Stubbs
> [Original Message]
> From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/28/2005 7:32:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: eBay Commanders
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> Ben Baltrusaitis wrote:
> > Has anyone noticed that there are THREE Commanders listed on eBay right
now? A 520, 560-A and a 680.
>
> I've been watching those as well Ben.
> That pretty 560 used to belong to Milt Concannon. I'd guess the current
> owner has over $200,000 invested in that bird based on what I know.
> Pretty sad that it looks like it's going to sell for under $20k.
> Dunno if you saw the "questions" about the 680. There was a person
> asking if he could fly it from the east coast to Ca on one engine so it
> would be "ekonomical" (guess he figured that since one motor was shot
> that he could then afford to fly it???)
> I've seen that 520 but I can't quite put my finger on the details. Sure
> would be nice to see each of those airplanes find a caring new owner who
> had the ability to restore them, but I bet they all end up at the scrap
> yard within the year :-(
>
> Chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 500B Cruise performance and other questions |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
Hi, John
I still pinch myself everytime I get to fly one of these twin Commanders. Got
a lot of pinch marks in 30 years!
We just aquired a clean 500B with shrike mods and altho' I've run and
taxi'ed her, the first flight will be in the next couple of weeks, after we do
a few
minor things to assure her airworthiness. She needs to be in the air and so
do I!
Rob
john@vormbaum.com writes:
>
> Rob, you're so right. As an example, I was trained to leave them open and
> never close them unless I was on fire, because "what if you were at a remote
> strip, and a servo failed on actuation while the valve was closed? Then
> you'd be stuck there!"
>
> I guess you could "what if" yourself right out of flying if you weren't
> careful.
>
> Although with all the training I've had, I was unaware that those fuel
> valves had limit switches. That's why I love this list.....500+ hours &5
> years down the line, and I still learn something new about these marvelous
> airplanes on a regular basis.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /J
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/25/05 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
Katrina got N2774B and it was a good running 560A, in annual. Very sad. My
partner and I made a good cash offer on her and the owner[non aviator] turned us
down. I don't believe it was insured. The airframe was in excellent
condition. Sad.
Rob
bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
> I do not know about anyone else but it burns my a-- that you have a weeks
> >warning to move your airplane and you leave it setting in the path of a
> >known hurricane. In the case of Commanders it is a loss of an endangered
> >species. It also has to affect every ones insurance cost. Actually I
> >would think an insurance company might claim you did not take normal
> >precautions to protect and avoid risk and try to disallow a claim.
> >
> >There I have vented my spleen!!!
> >dan farmer
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| Subject: | hurricane destroyed commanders |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52@cs.com
Katrina got N2774B and it was a good running 560A, in annual. Very sad. My
partner and I made a good cash offer on her and the owner[non aviator] turned us
down. I don't believe it was insured. The airframe was in excellent
condition. Sad.
Rob
bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
> I do not know about anyone else but it burns my a-- that you have a weeks
> >warning to move your airplane and you leave it setting in the path of a
> >known hurricane. In the case of Commanders it is a loss of an endangered
> >species. It also has to affect every ones insurance cost. Actually I
> >would think an insurance company might claim you did not take normal
> >precautions to protect and avoid risk and try to disallow a claim.
> >
> >There I have vented my spleen!!!
> >dan farmer
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| Subject: | Fuel Valves and Meteors |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
This comes under the heading of, "What if we get hit by a meteor while in
flight" but I just have to toss this out.
On Ted Smith designed airplanes (Aero Commanders, Aero Stars and even up into
the Westwind) there are "Quiet Checks" that I like to run before starting an
engine. This includes - depending on model -- fuel shut-offs, fuel selectors
and electric hydraulic pumps.
To take the Chicken Little theory one maybe-not-so-absurd step further,
>>As an example, I was trained to leave them open and
> never close them unless I was on fire, because "what if you were at a remote
> strip, and a servo failed on actuation while the valve was closed? Then
> you'd be stuck there!"
What if you had an in-flight fire and the valve had failed? Then you'd be
stuck there.
I totally agree that one can test an airplane to death and create more
maintenance problems than should exist by repeatedly testing things that are fine
... but some components I want to fail on the ground ... and they'll probably
fail in the air after passing the preflight test.
We tend to operate and pass on ideas based on personal fears and/or
experiences so I think anyone's techniques and procedures are valid. I'm just
offering
up mine.
(No, I've never had a Commander catch on fire and I've never had a fuel
shut-off valve or selector valve fail, so go figure why I do what I do!)
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valves and Meteors |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" <steve2@sover.net>
It just wouldn't be the same without hearing that little "zzzzz-ip,
zzzzz-ip" of the valves before and after each flight! That sound has become
part of my preflight check....
I like neutralizing a motor control when I'm done with it. Cowl flaps and
valves....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel Valves and Meteors
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> This comes under the heading of, "What if we get hit by a meteor while in
> flight" but I just have to toss this out.
>
> On Ted Smith designed airplanes (Aero Commanders, Aero Stars and even up
> into
> the Westwind) there are "Quiet Checks" that I like to run before starting
> an
> engine. This includes - depending on model -- fuel shut-offs, fuel
> selectors
> and electric hydraulic pumps.
>
> To take the Chicken Little theory one maybe-not-so-absurd step further,
>
>>>As an example, I was trained to leave them open and
>> never close them unless I was on fire, because "what if you were at a
>> remote
>> strip, and a servo failed on actuation while the valve was closed? Then
>> you'd be stuck there!"
>
>
> What if you had an in-flight fire and the valve had failed? Then you'd be
> stuck there.
>
> I totally agree that one can test an airplane to death and create more
> maintenance problems than should exist by repeatedly testing things that
> are fine
> ... but some components I want to fail on the ground ... and they'll
> probably
> fail in the air after passing the preflight test.
>
> We tend to operate and pass on ideas based on personal fears and/or
> experiences so I think anyone's techniques and procedures are valid. I'm
> just offering
> up mine.
>
> (No, I've never had a Commander catch on fire and I've never had a fuel
> shut-off valve or selector valve fail, so go figure why I do what I do!)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valves and Meteors |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" <steve2@sover.net>
It just wouldn't be the same without hearing that little "zzzzz-ip,
zzzzz-ip" of the valves before and after each flight! That sound has become
part of my preflight check....
I like neutralizing a motor control when I'm done with it. Cowl flaps and
valves....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel Valves and Meteors
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> This comes under the heading of, "What if we get hit by a meteor while in
> flight" but I just have to toss this out.
>
> On Ted Smith designed airplanes (Aero Commanders, Aero Stars and even up
> into
> the Westwind) there are "Quiet Checks" that I like to run before starting
> an
> engine. This includes - depending on model -- fuel shut-offs, fuel
> selectors
> and electric hydraulic pumps.
>
> To take the Chicken Little theory one maybe-not-so-absurd step further,
>
>>>As an example, I was trained to leave them open and
>> never close them unless I was on fire, because "what if you were at a
>> remote
>> strip, and a servo failed on actuation while the valve was closed? Then
>> you'd be stuck there!"
>
>
> What if you had an in-flight fire and the valve had failed? Then you'd be
> stuck there.
>
> I totally agree that one can test an airplane to death and create more
> maintenance problems than should exist by repeatedly testing things that
> are fine
> ... but some components I want to fail on the ground ... and they'll
> probably
> fail in the air after passing the preflight test.
>
> We tend to operate and pass on ideas based on personal fears and/or
> experiences so I think anyone's techniques and procedures are valid. I'm
> just offering
> up mine.
>
> (No, I've never had a Commander catch on fire and I've never had a fuel
> shut-off valve or selector valve fail, so go figure why I do what I do!)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Valves and Meteors |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Steve...you hit it on the head. I too love that "zzzzz-ip" sound when I
open the fue valves before engine start. Yes sireeee...!!!
Randy Dettmer
680F / N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steven
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fuel Valves and Meteors
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" <steve2@sover.net>
It just wouldn't be the same without hearing that little "zzzzz-ip,
zzzzz-ip" of the valves before and after each flight! That sound has become
part of my preflight check....
I like neutralizing a motor control when I'm done with it. Cowl flaps and
valves....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel Valves and Meteors
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> This comes under the heading of, "What if we get hit by a meteor while in
> flight" but I just have to toss this out.
>
> On Ted Smith designed airplanes (Aero Commanders, Aero Stars and even up
> into
> the Westwind) there are "Quiet Checks" that I like to run before starting
> an
> engine. This includes - depending on model -- fuel shut-offs, fuel
> selectors
> and electric hydraulic pumps.
>
> To take the Chicken Little theory one maybe-not-so-absurd step further,
>
>>>As an example, I was trained to leave them open and
>> never close them unless I was on fire, because "what if you were at a
>> remote
>> strip, and a servo failed on actuation while the valve was closed? Then
>> you'd be stuck there!"
>
>
> What if you had an in-flight fire and the valve had failed? Then you'd be
> stuck there.
>
> I totally agree that one can test an airplane to death and create more
> maintenance problems than should exist by repeatedly testing things that
> are fine
> ... but some components I want to fail on the ground ... and they'll
> probably
> fail in the air after passing the preflight test.
>
> We tend to operate and pass on ideas based on personal fears and/or
> experiences so I think anyone's techniques and procedures are valid. I'm
> just offering
> up mine.
>
> (No, I've never had a Commander catch on fire and I've never had a fuel
> shut-off valve or selector valve fail, so go figure why I do what I do!)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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| Subject: | sighting for Barry - N2657B |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Barry,
had a little spare time today and decided to go check on a Commander
that I last saw 10+ years ago.
N2657B is still owned by Jerry Springer and is still located at "Airmen
Acres" just north of Tulsa, OK.
The last time I saw that airplane, it was a beautiful bird with a new
custom panel, excellent interior and paint, and new engines From what
I've heard, it hasn't flown since the last time I saw it. It is now
faded, covered in bird droppings, and slowly rotting away. It was
grounded due to the prop AD, the props removed, and it's not moved
since. Owner refuses any discussion about selling it, so it's just
sitting there. Sad....
Chris
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| Subject: | only one in existance.... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Folks,
If any of you have ever tried to troubleshoot a wiring problem on a
Commander you already know that the manuals don't have much schematic
information at all. Each bird came with a unique "as-built" book with
it's wiring diagrams and they've all been lost over the years.
I have a complete factory set of schematics and diagrams specific to
520-106. The cover letter is from Aero Design to Texas-Illinois Natural
Gas Pipe Line Co.
Dunno if 106 is still even flying, but this would be a valuable piece of
documentation for any early Commander owner. Overall condition is very
good although the paper is beginning to brown and the print has faded a
bit. Someone should probably get this scanned and archived as nobody
has wiring diagrams for early Commanders.
If you want this book, email me off-list. I'd like to see the
information in it saved somehow - ideally, scanned and hosted on a web site.
Chris
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| Subject: | only one in existance.... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Folks,
If any of you have ever tried to troubleshoot a wiring problem on a
Commander you already know that the manuals don't have much schematic
information at all. Each bird came with a unique "as-built" book with
it's wiring diagrams and they've all been lost over the years.
I have a complete factory set of schematics and diagrams specific to
520-106. The cover letter is from Aero Design to Texas-Illinois Natural
Gas Pipe Line Co.
Dunno if 106 is still even flying, but this would be a valuable piece of
documentation for any early Commander owner. Overall condition is very
good although the paper is beginning to brown and the print has faded a
bit. Someone should probably get this scanned and archived as nobody
has wiring diagrams for early Commanders.
If you want this book, email me off-list. I'd like to see the
information in it saved somehow - ideally, scanned and hosted on a web site.
Chris
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| Subject: | eBay Commanders, 520 N2627B, SN 139 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Phil,
I talked to Mike Barber, the owner. He is a 150HR pilot, no instrument, no
multi engine. That lives in Farmington, NM and the airplane is in the
Houston area.
He has found out that he is in a little over his head.
The airplane was not running when he bought it last year. He has fixed the
props, rebuild the carbs, new magnetos and harnesses. He has a core engine
and some parts including jack stands. He does have all logs books and some
manuals.
Needs tires, needs "some assembly" to fly. Very bad paint. Needs rudder
tube. It would take a good pre-buy by someone who knows Aero Commanders.
It sounded like the Mechanics that he had working on it did not know
Commanders.
Looks like a good start to get it back flying. Last Annual was 1994 and
flew until 1998.
It would take someone like JB or Chris Wall to go there and put it together,
get the ferry permit and move to where the annual could be completed.
Chris S, do you want another 520 to take apart and put together again?
Chris Wall, are you still in Houston area?
Tylor Hall
The 520 is N2627B, sn139. Does anyone know this one?
Phil Stubbs
> [Original Message]
> From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/28/2005 7:32:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: eBay Commanders
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> Ben Baltrusaitis wrote:
> > Has anyone noticed that there are THREE Commanders listed on eBay right
now? A 520, 560-A and a 680.
>
> I've been watching those as well Ben.
> That pretty 560 used to belong to Milt Concannon. I'd guess the current
> owner has over $200,000 invested in that bird based on what I know.
> Pretty sad that it looks like it's going to sell for under $20k.
> Dunno if you saw the "questions" about the 680. There was a person
> asking if he could fly it from the east coast to Ca on one engine so it
> would be "ekonomical" (guess he figured that since one motor was shot
> that he could then afford to fly it???)
> I've seen that 520 but I can't quite put my finger on the details. Sure
> would be nice to see each of those airplanes find a caring new owner who
> had the ability to restore them, but I bet they all end up at the scrap
> yard within the year :-(
>
> Chris
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
tylor.hall wrote:
> Chris S, do you want another 520 to take apart and put together again?
EEeeeek!
That's the most frightening thing I've heard this halloween!
chris
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| Subject: | eBay Commanders, 520 N2627B, SN 139 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
Thanks Tylor.
Phil
> [Original Message]
> From: tylor.hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/29/2005 8:57:52 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: eBay Commanders, 520 N2627B, SN 139
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall"
<tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Phil,
> I talked to Mike Barber, the owner. He is a 150HR pilot, no instrument,
no
> multi engine. That lives in Farmington, NM and the airplane is in the
> Houston area.
> He has found out that he is in a little over his head.
> The airplane was not running when he bought it last year. He has fixed
the
> props, rebuild the carbs, new magnetos and harnesses. He has a core
engine
> and some parts including jack stands. He does have all logs books and
some
> manuals.
> Needs tires, needs "some assembly" to fly. Very bad paint. Needs rudder
> tube. It would take a good pre-buy by someone who knows Aero Commanders.
> It sounded like the Mechanics that he had working on it did not know
> Commanders.
>
> Looks like a good start to get it back flying. Last Annual was 1994 and
> flew until 1998.
> It would take someone like JB or Chris Wall to go there and put it
together,
> get the ferry permit and move to where the annual could be completed.
>
> Chris S, do you want another 520 to take apart and put together again?
> Chris Wall, are you still in Houston area?
>
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> The 520 is N2627B, sn139. Does anyone know this one?
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 10/28/2005 7:32:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: eBay Commanders
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
<cschuerm@cox.net>
> >
> >
> > Ben Baltrusaitis wrote:
> > > Has anyone noticed that there are THREE Commanders listed on eBay
right
> now? A 520, 560-A and a 680.
> >
> > I've been watching those as well Ben.
> > That pretty 560 used to belong to Milt Concannon. I'd guess the current
> > owner has over $200,000 invested in that bird based on what I know.
> > Pretty sad that it looks like it's going to sell for under $20k.
> > Dunno if you saw the "questions" about the 680. There was a person
> > asking if he could fly it from the east coast to Ca on one engine so it
> > would be "ekonomical" (guess he figured that since one motor was shot
> > that he could then afford to fly it???)
> > I've seen that 520 but I can't quite put my finger on the details. Sure
> > would be nice to see each of those airplanes find a caring new owner who
> > had the ability to restore them, but I bet they all end up at the scrap
> > yard within the year :-(
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>
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