---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/17/05: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:10 AM - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle) 2. 06:21 AM - Re: Hanger doors vs Winglets (Barry Collman) 3. 07:01 AM - Re: Hanger doors vs Winglets (Brock Lorber) 4. 07:51 AM - Re: Hanger doors vs Winglets (nico css) 5. 08:08 AM - Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1153C (BertBerry1@aol.com) 6. 08:13 AM - (no subject) (BertBerry1@aol.com) 7. 08:14 AM - Re: 500B winglet length (Tom Fisher) 8. 09:21 AM - Re: Hanger doors vs Winglets (Robert Steele) 9. 10:01 AM - Re: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and (Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)) 10. 10:04 AM - Re: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her (Brock Lorber) 11. 10:10 AM - Re: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1... (YOURTCFG@AOL.COM) 12. 01:25 PM - Re: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1... (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 13. 01:46 PM - Re: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1153C (nico css) 14. 02:04 PM - Re: Hanger doors vs Winglets (Moe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:45 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Commander-List: Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? --> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a better experience than the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. 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The Secure Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:00 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" We ort to make moor use of the spill chucker!! BC UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets | --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" | | Well at least someone on this list has been drinking enough, long enough! | | My airplane should be finished with its annual by the end of this week. No | Shorke Nose for me, but I did get a JPI installed, and I'm really looking | forward to doing lots of flying in '06! | | Hey Moe, maybe I'll head down to SoCal soon. We can go to the bar, brag | about how fast our Aero Commanders are, and try to avoid getting our noses | shorken. | | /J | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Moe" | To: | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" | > | > Mason, | > | > You have spelled it wornk. It is Shorke Nose, not Nost. | > | > Moe | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | > To: | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets | > | > | > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" | | > > | > > I WANT A SHROKE NOST. MASON | > > ----- Original Message ----- | > > From: Moe | > > To: commander-list@matronics.com | > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:37 PM | > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets | > > | > > | > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" | > > | > > | > > Dan, | > > | > > After adding all three mods (Shroke nose, tips, flap gap seals) my | > findings | > > are: | > > | > > 40 kts faster at the bar | > > 20 kts faster at the coffee shop | > > 5 kts in the air | > > | > > Moe | > > ----- Original Message ----- | > > From: > | > > To: | > | > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets | > > | > > | > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: | > YOURTCFG@aol.com | > > > | > > > | > > > In a message dated 11/16/2005 5:53:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, | > > > daniellfarmer@yahoo.com writes: | > > > | > > > A Commander with wing tips is going far too fast just sitting still | > > > | > > > | > > > Amen!! The addition of a long nose adds about 11kts to the PAS | > (Parked | > > Air | > > > Speed). Winglets ad at least another 5. The square rudder cap is | > good | > > for 3 | > > > Since the gap seals cannot be easily seen, they seem to have | little | > > effect | > > > on the PAS. Non of this changes the stall or cruse speed, but man, | > DO IT | > > > LOOK HOT!!!! :-) | > > > | > > > | > > | > > | > | > | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:13 AM PST US From: Brock Lorber Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets --> Commander-List message posted by: Brock Lorber Barry Collman wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > >We ort to make moor use of the spill chucker!! > >BC >UK > > > No need. You can easily read this paragraph: Yuor eeys see tihs mses and trsnaimt it to yuor brian. Lcukily, yuor bairn sees tsehe clolcetoins of leetters as wdros, even tuhgoh nnoe of tehm oevr trehe ltetres is slpeeld crorcelty. As lnog as the fsirt and lsat leettr of the wrod are in the cerorct pacle, and the rhigt leettrs are tehre, you can raed scmarslebd wdors lkie tihs whtiuot any tubolre. (Dno't you feel btetetr abuot yuor bairn, now?) Brock Lorber 702-510-7728 http://www.southwestcirrus.com/n400ch/index.htm ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:43 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" This paragraph of scrambled letters has been going around for a while now and it still freaks me out when I read it realizing what one's brain is capable of. As my eyesight deteriorated, I realized that ordinary magnifiers have a set distance in which they are effective, blurring out everything else. If one is not within 4 or 5 feet of an object, the glasses are useless. Instrument panels were no more fun for me because of that. So, a couple of years ago I invested in a pair of progressive lens glasses and for a couple of weeks I suffered from vertigo when wearing them casually. After my brain calculated the effects of the apparent movement of my surroundings when moving my head, I didn't notice any difference between having the glasses on my nose or not. The physical act of putting glasses on my nose or removing them somehow fires an event in my brain telling it which template of calculations to use to readjust my environment. Or something like that. Until I one day used regular magnifiers. For a brief few seconds, everything appeared trapezoidal and, magically, my brain quickly recalculated the images and straightened out the stuff. I had fun with that for a while until my brain created another derivative template for the magnifiers too. I try to make a living programming computers and have done so since the 60's, so I guess I would not be out of line saying that I understand a bit about CPU processing power; we have no idea about the CPU we all carry around (and grossly neglect, douse in beer :-), store useless things, etc.) between our ears. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Lorber" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets > --> Commander-List message posted by: Brock Lorber > > Barry Collman wrote: > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > > >We ort to make moor use of the spill chucker!! > > > >BC > >UK > > > > > > > No need. You can easily read this paragraph: > > Yuor eeys see tihs mses and trsnaimt it to yuor brian. Lcukily, yuor > bairn sees tsehe clolcetoins of leetters as wdros, even tuhgoh nnoe of > tehm oevr trehe ltetres is slpeeld crorcelty. As lnog as the fsirt and > lsat leettr of the wrod are in the cerorct pacle, and the rhigt leettrs > are tehre, you can raed scmarslebd wdors lkie tihs whtiuot any tubolre. > (Dno't you feel btetetr abuot yuor bairn, now?) > > Brock Lorber > 702-510-7728 > http://www.southwestcirrus.com/n400ch/index.htm > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:06 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1153C --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com 11/16/20052328 GAYLORD, MI 1153C AC50 A DEST 1 ACFT WAS CLEARED FOR APCH AT GAYLORD (GLR). ACFT CRASHED 1M SHORT OF RWY. THE SOLE OCCUPANT IS REPORTED FATAL AND THE ACFT IS DESTROYED. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. GAYLORD, MI ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:25 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: (no subject) --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com : N1153C Aircraft Serial Number : 1474-169 Aircraft Manufacturer : AERO COMMANDER Model : 500-B Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : TI0-540 SER Aircraft Year : 1964 Owner Name : CENTRAL AIRLINES INC Owner Address : 4002 WEST 57TH ST FAIRWAY, KS, 66205 Type of Owner : Corporation Registration Date : 06-Aug-1976 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Normal ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:48 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B winglet length --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Are they hanging on the wall to make it go faster? If you want to put them to use I have a pair of wings I could mate them with. Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B winglet length > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > I just happen to have a pair of winglets hanging on my garage wall. I also > have a pair of "stock" 500S tips. So, I have the exact, empirical, real deal > difference (Drum roll please). The stock tip measures 5.25 inches, the > winglet measures. Lets see, should I send this in a later email and keep up the > suspense?? I guess not. The winglet measures 8.25 inches making installed > overall additional span 6.0 inches. There you have it!! jb > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:31 AM PST US From: "Robert Steele" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Steele" Captain Jim-Bob, It seems you have the catalyst here for a new Fly-In Award. "And this year's 'SHROKE NOST AWARD' goes to ......" Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 11/16/2005 5:03:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, KAMALA@msn.com writes: I WANT A SHROKE NOST. I have the mold. How many do you want?? jb ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:09 AM PST US her pilot. N1153C Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1153C From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" On 11/17/05 10:07 AM, "BertBerry1@aol.com" wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > 11/16/20052328 GAYLORD, MI 1153C AC50 A DEST 1 ACFT WAS CLEARED FOR APCH AT > GAYLORD (GLR). ACFT CRASHED 1M SHORT OF RWY. THE SOLE OCCUPANT IS REPORTED > FATAL AND THE ACFT IS DESTROYED. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. GAYLORD, MI Due to the nature of the business, and the fact that he has been in business since the 1970s, John Towner has lost a few airplanes and pilots. I know that John takes each loss very personally. John, my sympathy. If there's anything I can do to be of service, you know you can call. Capt S ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:28 AM PST US From: Brock Lorber Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1153C --> Commander-List message posted by: Brock Lorber BertBerry1@aol.com wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > >11/16/20052328 GAYLORD, MI 1153C AC50 A DEST 1 ACFT WAS CLEARED FOR APCH AT >GAYLORD (GLR). ACFT CRASHED 1M SHORT OF RWY. THE SOLE OCCUPANT IS REPORTED >FATAL AND THE ACFT IS DESTROYED. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. GAYLORD, MI > > > > Check out the flight track from http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1153C/tracklog If the data from 1442 on is correct, it was a wild ride. Brock Lorber 702-510-7728 http://www.southwestcirrus.com/n400ch/index.htm ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:08 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1... --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com This is sad news indeed. John is a great guy and runs a quality and professional business. He knows all of his employees personally and they think of him as family. He also loves every Commander in his fleet. The "N" numbers are chosen by employees and each one has a special meaning. It is truly sad to hear of this loss. My prayers go out to John and all those a Central Air who are feeling this loss. Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:57 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1... --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" AMEN AND GOD BLESS. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1... --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com This is sad news indeed. John is a great guy and runs a quality and professional business. He knows all of his employees personally and they think of him as family. He also loves every Commander in his fleet. The "N" numbers are chosen by employees and each one has a special meaning. It is truly sad to hear of this loss. My prayers go out to John and all those a Central Air who are feeling this loss. Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:19 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1153C --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" Truly sad. My condolences to the pilot's family, his colleagues, and the Commander community.We hope to get more info when it is released. It is eerie that the flight log shows that the flight "arrived". Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Lorber" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sad News Looks like we lost another one and her pilot. N1153C > --> Commander-List message posted by: Brock Lorber > > BertBerry1@aol.com wrote: > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > > >11/16/20052328 GAYLORD, MI 1153C AC50 A DEST 1 ACFT WAS CLEARED FOR APCH AT > >GAYLORD (GLR). ACFT CRASHED 1M SHORT OF RWY. THE SOLE OCCUPANT IS REPORTED > >FATAL AND THE ACFT IS DESTROYED. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. GAYLORD, MI > > > > > > > > > Check out the flight track from > http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1153C/tracklog > > If the data from 1442 on is correct, it was a wild ride. > > Brock Lorber > 702-510-7728 > http://www.southwestcirrus.com/n400ch/index.htm > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:10 PM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" John, This sounds great! Call me when. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" > > Well at least someone on this list has been drinking enough, long enough! > > My airplane should be finished with its annual by the end of this week. No > Shorke Nose for me, but I did get a JPI installed, and I'm really looking > forward to doing lots of flying in '06! > > Hey Moe, maybe I'll head down to SoCal soon. We can go to the bar, brag > about how fast our Aero Commanders are, and try to avoid getting our noses > shorken. > > /J > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > > > Mason, > > > > You have spelled it wornk. It is Shorke Nose, not Nost. > > > > Moe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > > > > > > > I WANT A SHROKE NOST. MASON > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Moe > > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:37 PM > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > After adding all three mods (Shroke nose, tips, flap gap seals) my > > findings > > > are: > > > > > > 40 kts faster at the bar > > > 20 kts faster at the coffee shop > > > 5 kts in the air > > > > > > Moe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hanger doors vs Winglets > > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: > > YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/16/2005 5:53:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > > > daniellfarmer@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > A Commander with wing tips is going far too fast just sitting still > > > > > > > > > > > > Amen!! The addition of a long nose adds about 11kts to the PAS > > (Parked > > > Air > > > > Speed). Winglets ad at least another 5. The square rudder cap is > > good > > > for 3 > > > > Since the gap seals cannot be easily seen, they seem to have > little > > > effect > > > > on the PAS. Non of this changes the stall or cruse speed, but man, > > DO IT > > > > LOOK HOT!!!! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >