Commander-List Digest Archive

Sun 11/27/05


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:07 AM - Re: Hoover technique question (Bill Bow)
     2. 07:38 AM - Re: Model 680 to be scrapped (MASON Chevaillier)
     3. 09:31 AM - 500RA (Bill Bow)
     4. 09:44 AM - Re: 500RA (Tom Fisher)
     5. 10:09 AM - Re: 500RA (BobsV35B@aol.com)
     6. 01:24 PM - Re: Fw: Fake FBI, CIA e-mails contain viruses (nico css)
     7. 01:40 PM - Just A Few More Days Left; Lagging Behind Last Year... (Matt Dralle)
     8. 02:09 PM - Re: 500RA (Bill Bow)
     9. 02:09 PM - Re: 500RA (Bill Bow)
    10. 06:11 PM - Re: Hoover technique question (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
    11. 06:36 PM - Commander in "Clear and Present Danger" (swperk@earthlink.net)
    12. 07:23 PM - Re: 500RA (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    13. 09:42 PM - Re: Hoover technique question (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    14. 10:34 PM - Re: Hoover technique question (CloudCraft@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:07:31 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Hoover technique question
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> I read somewhere or heard somewhere or had a dream sometime that there were difference between his airplane and the "standard" Shrike. My recollection of this was an additional accumulator on the landing gear, unfeathering accumulators and magneto switches wired to his prop control leavers. When he feathered the props he also shut down the engines with the mags. My understanding of the operation was when he returned the prop controls from feather they would windmill and the mags would again be hot and they would fire up. bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Schuermann Subject: Commander-List: Hoover technique question --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> I was watching an old Bob Hoover video tape with some friends last night and noticed something unusual. I was always taught that the procedure to feather and engine was: throttle-prop-mixture. Bob pulls the prop to feather at full power, then mixture, then throttle. Anyone know why? Seems to me that technique would be awfully hard on the counterweights, but there must be some reason he does it that way. just curious Chris


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    Time: 07:38:00 AM PST US
    From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Model 680 to be scrapped
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com> mm, tube and piston. mason mine was leaking down it is in annual now and we are putting a seal kit in it. noticed a holding pin of some sort had come out and scored the cylinder and pitted the bearing on the piston. it works fine. i just figured i would start now to find replacement in case i need it. thanks mason >From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com> >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com >To: <commander-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Model 680 to be scrapped >Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:15:29 -0800 > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com> > >Mason, > >Do you need everything on the gear, or just some parts? > >Moe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@MSN.COM> >To: <commander-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Model 680 to be scrapped > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" ><kamala@msn.com> > > > > cc, i would like a right main gear. mason > > > > > > >From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> > > >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com > > >To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Model 680 to be scrapped > > >Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:03:42 -0800 > > > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > ><tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> > > > > > >I need a number of parts. > > > > > >Tom F. > > >C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > > >To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > > >Subject: Commander-List: Model 680 to be scrapped > > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > ><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > I have received an email from Craig Cantwell, who had hoped to >restore > > >Model 680 > > > > s/n 353-43, N265X. This had sat with T&G Aviation at Chandler,AZ for > > >many > > >years. > > > > However, the project had to be abandoned as the corrosion was too > > >excessive and > > > > the aircraft is being scrapped. > > > > > > > > The *good* news is that there will be parts available to group >members. > > >I > > >copy > > > > the email from Craig, as requested: > > > > > > > > It's with great sadness that I have to report scrapping N265X this >week. > > >After a > > > > year of on and off working to recover her and move her to Texas for > > >restoration, > > > > we made the decision to scrap her Monday morning. > > > > Over the weekend, in preperation for splitting the fuselage for > > >transport, > > >we > > > > found significant amounts of corrosion in the belly and discovered >that > > >the > > > > exposed ears for the engine mounts had significant ex-folliant > > >corrosion. > > > > Coupling that, along with the amount of time required to replace > > >essentially the > > > > skin of the entire fuselage from the bottom of the window line down, >and > > >many of > > > > the stringers in that area, pushed the value of the project to the >point > > >of > > > > being completely impractical as well as economically insane. > > > > > > > > We did bring home the forward section of the fuselage and the entire > > >wing, > > >as > > > > well as all of the control surfaces. My intention is to go through >what > > >I > > > > brought home and strip out all the usable, and rebuildable parts and >put > > >them up > > > > for sale to the group first. I'm not going to be out trying to make >a > > >killing on > > > > the parts, but recover my expenses and a little bit for my time. > > > > > > > > As we've had a tremendous amount of trouble trying to get it where I >can > > >post to > > > > the group, and I still can't right now, would you please pass this >info > > >on > > >to > > > > the group and let them know that these parts are going to become > > >available > > >just > > > > as soon as I can get them off, cleaned up and identified. I would >like > > >to > > >try > > > > and sell them as a bulk package, but if someone needs one or two >items > > >we > > >can > > > > work something out. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help and all the information that you have provided >to > > >me > > >on > > > > 265X and other Commanders, > > > > Craig Cantwell > > > > cvairwerks@ev1.net > > > > cvcantwell@charter.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:31:23 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
    Subject: 500RA
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> Forwarded to the group, from John Tower I use to ferry 500RA between air shows and the only thing different about the aircraft it had a 690 blow down bottle (nitrogen), making the landing gear come down easier with the engines off. The unfeathering pumps could be purchased from the factory as optonal equipment or put on as an after thought. PS-For some reason with my new computer I can read things you fellow put on the chat page but I cannot respond except to you individually (any ideas?). You can share this info with the chat group if you want. RESPECTFULLY, John Towner Central Air Kansas City


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    Time: 09:44:00 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: 500RA
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> Could unfeathering pumps be acquired today and installed on an IO720 680FLP? Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> Subject: Commander-List: 500RA > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> > > Forwarded to the group, from John Tower > > > I use to ferry 500RA between air shows and the only thing different about > the aircraft it had a 690 blow down bottle (nitrogen), making the landing > gear come down easier with the engines off. The unfeathering pumps could be > purchased from the factory as optonal equipment or put on as an after > thought. > > PS-For some reason with my new computer I can read things you fellow put on > the chat page but I cannot respond except to you individually (any ideas?). > You can share this info with the chat group if you want. > > RESPECTFULLY, > > John Towner > Central Air > Kansas City > >


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    Time: 10:09:53 AM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 500RA
    --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com Good Morning Tom, They do not use pumps (at least on most of them!) they use unfeathering accumulators. I am not sure who holds which approvals and which ones are approved on the various models of the Aero Commander, but there are two basic types available. One type is a small spilt ball that has a diaphragm between the two haves to provide the accumulator function. Another type is a cylinder with a floating piston that separates the nitrogen pressure side from the engine oil side. The Cylinder style units are still available form Aircraft Systems of Rockford Illinois. Terry Norris Aircraft Systems 5187 Falcon Road Rockford, IL 61109 USA PH: 815 399-0225 E-mail: _ACS5187@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ACS5187@hotmail.com) Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/27/2005 11:54:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: Could unfeathering pumps be acquired today and installed on an IO720 680FLP? Tom F.


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    Time: 01:24:17 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: Fake FBI, CIA e-mails contain viruses
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> Not much trouble, Jim. I will add the code and let you know when it is ready. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Fake FBI, CIA e-mails contain viruses > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net> > > If it is a lot of trouble don't do it but, if it is easy I would like to > down load the whole thing. > > Thanks > Jim Addington > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Fake FBI, CIA e-mails contain viruses > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> > > Jim, > The site was not developed to print the whole book. However, if you pick an > item from the menu on the left-hand side of the screen (either Home, Pages, > or Copyright), you will be able to navigate the site. The "Pages" option > will open a drop-down box in which you can select any of the 87 pages of the > book; as well as a zoom bar with which you can zoom into the photographs in > the book. If you wish to print the book, I guess you may try to print every > page. Tip: to page through the book faster, keep focus on the drop-down box > and use the up and down arrows to turn the pages. > > If you wish to print the whole book, let me know. I can add code to the site > to do that, and add an item in the menu bar on the left-hand side to start > the print process. > > Thanks for the feedback, Jim. > Nico > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Fake FBI, CIA e-mails contain viruses > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > <jtaddington@charter.net> > > > > Nico, > > > > This one had a valid FBI phone number was what got me concerned, I don't > > know if this was just a copy cat or what because it did not have the > > attachment. When I told the real FBI lady about not getting an answer she > > said they had probably shut down answering that number. Thanks for the > > information. > > While I have you I tried to print the Cont. Motors book and when I went to > > file, print, and print view, it would only show the small window that was > > the page number. I did not try using the other print because of the number > > of pages and I wanted to see that it would print on the page properly. > > Any ideas? > > > > Jim Addington > > N444BD > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Fake FBI, CIA e-mails contain viruses > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > <nico@cybersuperstore.com> > > > > > > Fake FBI, CIA e-mails contain viruses > > > > > > The FBI warned Internet users about a scam involving e-mails appearing to > > come from the FBI, with a computer virus attached. > > > > "These scam e-mails tell the recipients that their Internet use has been > > monitored by the FBI and that they have accessed illegal websites," the > law > > enforcement agency said in a statement. > > > > > > "The e-mails then direct recipients to open an attachment and answer > > questions." > > > > The FBI statement said recipients of this or similar messages "should know > > that the FBI does not engage in the practice of sending unsolicited > e-mails > > to the public in this manner." > > > > The messages appear to be sent from an e-mail address such as > mailAfbi.gov, > > postAfbi.gov, adminAfbi.gov or a similar address. > > > > The Internet security firm Sophos said similar e-mails may appear to come > > from the Central Intelligence Agency, but it noted that both contain a > > strain of the Sober virus that has been spreading worldwide. > > > > In a four-hour period Tuesday, the worm "has accounted for over 61 percent > > of all viruses reported to Sophos, making it currently the most prevalent > > virus spreading across the world." > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:40:42 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Just A Few More Days Left; Lagging Behind Last Year...
    --> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers, There are just four more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser! Response has been very good, but we are behind last year as far as the number of people that have made a Contribution and as a percentage of the total number of subscribers. Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means I have of keeping these Lists running through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive


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    Time: 02:09:46 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
    Subject: 500RA
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> No offense Old Bob, but short of asking Hoover or the factory, I think John Tower of Central Air, Kansas City, probably has a pretty good idea of what is available for a Commander. bb -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500RA --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com Good Morning Tom, They do not use pumps (at least on most of them!) they use unfeathering accumulators. I am not sure who holds which approvals and which ones are approved on the various models of the Aero Commander, but there are two basic types available. One type is a small spilt ball that has a diaphragm between the two haves to provide the accumulator function. Another type is a cylinder with a floating piston that separates the nitrogen pressure side from the engine oil side. The Cylinder style units are still available form Aircraft Systems of Rockford Illinois. Terry Norris Aircraft Systems 5187 Falcon Road Rockford, IL 61109 USA PH: 815 399-0225 E-mail: _ACS5187@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ACS5187@hotmail.com) Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/27/2005 11:54:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: Could unfeathering pumps be acquired today and installed on an IO720 680FLP? Tom F.


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    Time: 02:09:57 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
    Subject: 500RA
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> No offense Old Bob, but short of asking Hoover or the factory, I think John Tower of Central Air, Kansas City, probably has a pretty good idea of what is available for a Commander. bb -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500RA --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com Good Morning Tom, They do not use pumps (at least on most of them!) they use unfeathering accumulators. I am not sure who holds which approvals and which ones are approved on the various models of the Aero Commander, but there are two basic types available. One type is a small spilt ball that has a diaphragm between the two haves to provide the accumulator function. Another type is a cylinder with a floating piston that separates the nitrogen pressure side from the engine oil side. The Cylinder style units are still available form Aircraft Systems of Rockford Illinois. Terry Norris Aircraft Systems 5187 Falcon Road Rockford, IL 61109 USA PH: 815 399-0225 E-mail: _ACS5187@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ACS5187@hotmail.com) Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/27/2005 11:54:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: Could unfeathering pumps be acquired today and installed on an IO720 680FLP? Tom F.


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    Time: 06:11:36 PM PST US
    From: YOURTCFG@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Hoover technique question
    --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 11/26/2005 4:40:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: 2. How do I identify if this aircraft has unfeathering accumulators? HI TOM. I am pretty certain there is no approval of accumulators on any air planes but the 500S, where it was a factory option. You can check by simply feathering the propellers. After they have reached feather (and stopped turning) push the propeller controls back to normal. If they come out of feather, yippee!! I don't think they will. The old propeller systems used a dedicated pump to provide engine oil to the propeller, via the governor, to unfeather. More modern designs (compact propellers) use a nitrogen charge. jb


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    Time: 06:36:51 PM PST US
    From: swperk@earthlink.net
    Subject: Commander in "Clear and Present Danger"
    --> Commander-List message posted by: swperk@earthlink.net Hi folks, I was watching the movie "Clear and Present Danger" tonight and there is a scene where a bathtub nacelle Commander is blown up in a hangar. The registration number is N825WD and it comes back as being assigned to a 1960 Commander 720 AltiCruiser, serial number 850-13. Does anyone know the history of this plane (Sir Barry?) Is it still flying? On a related topic, what other movies, documentaries, etc. in public release have featured Twin Commanders? Regards, Stan


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    Time: 07:23:30 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 500RA
    --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com In a message dated 11/27/2005 4:10:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, bowing74@earthlink.net writes: No offense Old Bob, but short of asking Hoover or the factory, I think John Tower of Central Air, Kansas City, probably has a pretty good idea of what is available for a Commander. bb Sounds good to me bb. I just wanted to let the folks know that Terry North, who was the field engineer for Woodward when the accumulators were being developed, purchased the rights to the product when Woodward decided to drop it. He will still supply them brand new and does have several cores on hand ready to be built up when needed. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503


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    Time: 09:42:48 PM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Hoover technique question
    --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 27-Nov-05 18:12:10 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com writes: I am pretty certain there is no approval of accumulators on any air planes but the 500S, where it was a factory option. I gave several check-outs in a 500-U that had an unfeathering pump. The toggle switch was on the throttle quadrant and would be selected left or right. Much different than an accumulator but worked as well. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.


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    Time: 10:34:46 PM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Hoover technique question
    --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 26-Nov-05 06:22:22 Pacific Standard Time, blorber@southwestcirrus.com writes: I was always taught that the procedure >to feather and engine was: throttle-prop-mixture. Retarding the throttle first will "de-tune" the crank. Cutting an engine this way is considered the poorest way to do it. De-tuning refers to the counter weights on the crank shaft, by the way. Cutting the mixture keeps a compression charge in the cylinders, cushioning the deceleration of the engine. Pulling the mixture and dropping into feather probably the best way to cut an engine but as a training maneuver it's very unrealistic because that's not the way an engine fails. By the way, Mr. RPM does his engine cuts with mixture and feather at the same time. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.




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