---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/10/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:10 AM - NEW LIST (YOURTCFG@AOL.COM) 2. 10:53 AM - Shut-Off Valves (Ricardo Otaola) 3. 03:28 PM - Documentation + (Tom Fisher) 4. 04:10 PM - Re: Documentation + (tylor.hall) 5. 04:18 PM - Re: Documentation + (MASON Chevaillier) 6. 04:22 PM - Re: NEW LIST (MASON Chevaillier) 7. 05:56 PM - Re: Documentation + (Tom Fisher) 8. 05:56 PM - Re: Documentation + (Tom Fisher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:46 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@AOL.COM Subject: Commander-List: NEW LIST --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com HI KIDS. I have sent a note to skyhawkC-172 (whomever that is) and asked him to place his enthusiasm and effort behind our group. I believe that dividing the already small list would probably cause both chat groups to ultimately fail. The matronics list has been very trouble free and completely free of any virus. I hope all of you will stay here. That said, I applaud his (her) effort and hope that it can be channeled in our direction. Hope all is well in your "Commanderland" Merry Christmas jb ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:06 AM PST US From: "Ricardo Otaola" Subject: Commander-List: Shut-Off Valves --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo Otaola" Any ideas as to how much are the cores of the shut off valves for a 680F??? Someone offered and I want to pay the right price. Thanks ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:33 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Commander-List: Documentation + --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Gents, I am looking for documentation in the for of drawings or lists of parts on the Mr. RPM conversion, one question that came up is that the data plate on the aircraft still has the wrong engines on it and we need to see the STC to determine if the data plate is required to be changed or not. Another item is that I have on each engine a plastic air line going from the fuel pump to the fuel pressure gauge that appears to be an automotive part. This too may be mentioned in the STC documentation. I last heard that Dick sold the MR.RPM rights to a couple of people who have not been able to supply me with information this summer as they were saying "everything is in boxes", and "not set up", any update on them? My local engineers are about to tackle the job of setting up the engines to spec. As I really dislike paying for their learning curve I would like to supply them with some form of documentation for this engine setup. Short of that I'll pay someone like Morris Kernik to come to Vancouver to teach my locals how to service this machine. I'll take all the responses I can get, I would like to get my plane back before the Christmas holidays. Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Multiple forums > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > John, > I agree with what you, and others, have said about this. Perhaps what I said > didn't convey my message properly. I merely suggested that if > twincommanderflyer.com is attractive to members, since some have already > posted their pictures on the map, it would be better if that site interfaces > with the aerocommander.com site than sitting on the outside trying to > convince members to also participate over there. That is not in the interest > of the group, a concern you already expressed. > > Since Matronics has been running the forum, there has not been a single > incident (if my memory serves me correctly) of a virus or other unwanted > material on the site. It will be hard to walk away from that for something > else. > > Who is skyhawkC-172@comcast.net who repeatedly advertises that we should > join the "brand new commander web site"? > > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Multiple forums > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" > > > > Nico, > > > > Are you referencing the Frappr page with Google's map technology? Since > > there's no forum attached, and it's simply a map, I will keep that > > bookmarked. It's nice to see pictures of the members I don't know, but who > > often post on the list. It's also been nice to see the map grow as people > > add themselves to it. Since there's no forum there, it's very easy. > Perhaps > > having aerocommander.com to link to it would be very simple. > > > > As far as the twincommanderflyer.com forum, I think the matronics email > list > > is probably more efficient. Our membership, I feel, is too small to > benefit > > from using a forum environment. The replies just on this list are > sometimes > > days apart. I'm in agreement with Tom & Moe: JB has put in too much > effort, > > and why split up our already too-small membership among multiple sites? > > > > Just my $0.02, > > > > /John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "nico css" > > To: > > Subject: Commander-List: Multiple forums > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > We cannot proceed like this, in my (not always) humble opinion. We now > > have > > > two excellent websites going: www.aerocommander.com and > > > www.twincommanderflyer.com and, of course, the unofficial repository of > > data > > > on my webserver, www.teletuition.org/documents, which is not a Commander > > > website. > > > > > > The commanderflyer website has innovative and very exciting features and > > the > > > aerocommander.com website, creatively speaking, is very attractive. > > > Contracting Google's satellite mapping to show members is just > ingenious. > > > The next step would be to show satellite images of different airfields, > of > > > course. I celebrate the innovativeness that brought these two sites to > our > > > forum, but I believe it is important to the group that we find a way to > > work > > > together and present a single platform where the group can interact. I > > don't > > > think that it is helpful that we have three different sites to work > > through > > > to find all the material. There appears to be no economic incentive for > > the > > > owners of any of the two abovementioned sites - there certainly is none > on > > > my part - which means that they have been produced as works of passion > and > > > it shows in their work. > > > > > > We need to address this matter sooner than later and invite cooperation > > > between the two owners. Perhaps the www.aerocommander.com site can act > as > > > the front page and navigation system between the pages, while > > > www.twincommanderflyer.com acts as the forum with the former containing > > > links to the latter. The DNS servers can be configured so that, > regardless > > > of which name is typed into one's browser, the same website always shows > > up. > > > > > > What say you all? > > > Thanks > > > Nico > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - > 12/08/05 > > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:37:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > > > ben@gmpexpress.net writes: > > > > > > > > Does this mean the end of the Matronics list? > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > Only if participants cease using it! > > > > > > > > Happy Skies, > > > > > > > > Old Bob > > > > AKA > > > > Bob Siegfried > > > > Ancient Aviator > > > > Stearman N3977A > > > > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > > > > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > > > > 630 985-8503 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:02 PM PST US From: "tylor.hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Documentation + --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall" Tom, When I had those drawings in Pagosa Springs for a year, we had them in a engineers drawing file cabinet that had about 15 drawers of drawings. Each of these drawings was the 2' X 3' drawing. Some were copies and some were the original vellum hand drawing. I remember seeing drawing of the back of the engines showing all the changed made to the cables and hoses for the new engines. Whoever has those drawings and the STC are the ones to help you. Tell us who they are and where they are. Maybe someone on the list is near them? This is the group who needs this information. I will help in any way I can. Tylor Hall Gents, I am looking for documentation in the for of drawings or lists of parts on the Mr. RPM conversion, one question that came up is that the data plate on the aircraft still has the wrong engines on it and we need to see the STC to determine if the data plate is required to be changed or not. Another item is that I have on each engine a plastic air line going from the fuel pump to the fuel pressure gauge that appears to be an automotive part. This too may be mentioned in the STC documentation. I last heard that Dick sold the MR.RPM rights to a couple of people who have not been able to supply me with information this summer as they were saying "everything is in boxes", and "not set up", any update on them? My local engineers are about to tackle the job of setting up the engines to spec. As I really dislike paying for their learning curve I would like to supply them with some form of documentation for this engine setup. Short of that I'll pay someone like Morris Kernik to come to Vancouver to teach my locals how to service this machine. I'll take all the responses I can get, I would like to get my plane back before the Christmas holidays. Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Multiple forums > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > John, > I agree with what you, and others, have said about this. Perhaps what I said > didn't convey my message properly. I merely suggested that if > twincommanderflyer.com is attractive to members, since some have already > posted their pictures on the map, it would be better if that site interfaces > with the aerocommander.com site than sitting on the outside trying to > convince members to also participate over there. That is not in the interest > of the group, a concern you already expressed. > > Since Matronics has been running the forum, there has not been a single > incident (if my memory serves me correctly) of a virus or other unwanted > material on the site. It will be hard to walk away from that for something > else. > > Who is skyhawkC-172@comcast.net who repeatedly advertises that we should > join the "brand new commander web site"? > > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Multiple forums > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" > > > > Nico, > > > > Are you referencing the Frappr page with Google's map technology? Since > > there's no forum attached, and it's simply a map, I will keep that > > bookmarked. It's nice to see pictures of the members I don't know, but who > > often post on the list. It's also been nice to see the map grow as people > > add themselves to it. Since there's no forum there, it's very easy. > Perhaps > > having aerocommander.com to link to it would be very simple. > > > > As far as the twincommanderflyer.com forum, I think the matronics email > list > > is probably more efficient. Our membership, I feel, is too small to > benefit > > from using a forum environment. The replies just on this list are > sometimes > > days apart. I'm in agreement with Tom & Moe: JB has put in too much > effort, > > and why split up our already too-small membership among multiple sites? > > > > Just my $0.02, > > > > /John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "nico css" > > To: > > Subject: Commander-List: Multiple forums > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > We cannot proceed like this, in my (not always) humble opinion. We now > > have > > > two excellent websites going: www.aerocommander.com and > > > www.twincommanderflyer.com and, of course, the unofficial repository of > > data > > > on my webserver, www.teletuition.org/documents, which is not a Commander > > > website. > > > > > > The commanderflyer website has innovative and very exciting features and > > the > > > aerocommander.com website, creatively speaking, is very attractive. > > > Contracting Google's satellite mapping to show members is just > ingenious. > > > The next step would be to show satellite images of different airfields, > of > > > course. I celebrate the innovativeness that brought these two sites to > our > > > forum, but I believe it is important to the group that we find a way to > > work > > > together and present a single platform where the group can interact. I > > don't > > > think that it is helpful that we have three different sites to work > > through > > > to find all the material. There appears to be no economic incentive for > > the > > > owners of any of the two abovementioned sites - there certainly is none > on > > > my part - which means that they have been produced as works of passion > and > > > it shows in their work. > > > > > > We need to address this matter sooner than later and invite cooperation > > > between the two owners. Perhaps the www.aerocommander.com site can act > as > > > the front page and navigation system between the pages, while > > > www.twincommanderflyer.com acts as the forum with the former containing > > > links to the latter. The DNS servers can be configured so that, > regardless > > > of which name is typed into one's browser, the same website always shows > > up. > > > > > > What say you all? > > > Thanks > > > Nico > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - > 12/08/05 > > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:37:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > > > ben@gmpexpress.net writes: > > > > > > > > Does this mean the end of the Matronics list? > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > Only if participants cease using it! > > > > > > > > Happy Skies, > > > > > > > > Old Bob > > > > AKA > > > > Bob Siegfried > > > > Ancient Aviator > > > > Stearman N3977A > > > > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > > > > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > > > > 630 985-8503 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:34 PM PST US From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Documentation + --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" tf, please forward your phone number i will call you on these. mason >From: "Tom Fisher" >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Commander-List: Documentation + >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:28:56 -0800 > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > >Gents, > >I am looking for documentation in the for of drawings or lists of parts on >the Mr. RPM conversion, one question that came up is that the data plate on >the aircraft still has the wrong engines on it and we need to see the STC >to >determine if the data plate is required to be changed or not. >Another item is that I have on each engine a plastic air line going from >the >fuel pump to the fuel pressure gauge that appears to be an automotive part. >This too may be mentioned in the STC documentation. > >I last heard that Dick sold the MR.RPM rights to a couple of people who >have >not been able to supply me with information this summer as they were saying >"everything is in boxes", and "not set up", any update on them? > >My local engineers are about to tackle the job of setting up the engines to >spec. As I really dislike paying for their learning curve I would like to >supply them with some form of documentation for this engine setup. >Short of that I'll pay someone like Morris Kernik to come to Vancouver to >teach my locals how to service this machine. > >I'll take all the responses I can get, I would like to get my plane back >before the Christmas holidays. > >Tom F. >C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "nico css" >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Multiple forums > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > > > > John, > > I agree with what you, and others, have said about this. Perhaps what I >said > > didn't convey my message properly. I merely suggested that if > > twincommanderflyer.com is attractive to members, since some have already > > posted their pictures on the map, it would be better if that site >interfaces > > with the aerocommander.com site than sitting on the outside trying to > > convince members to also participate over there. That is not in the >interest > > of the group, a concern you already expressed. > > > > Since Matronics has been running the forum, there has not been a single > > incident (if my memory serves me correctly) of a virus or other unwanted > > material on the site. It will be hard to walk away from that for >something > > else. > > > > Who is skyhawkC-172@comcast.net who repeatedly advertises that we should > > join the "brand new commander web site"? > > > > Nico > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Vormbaum" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Multiple forums > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" > > > > > > > Nico, > > > > > > Are you referencing the Frappr page with Google's map technology? >Since > > > there's no forum attached, and it's simply a map, I will keep that > > > bookmarked. It's nice to see pictures of the members I don't know, but >who > > > often post on the list. It's also been nice to see the map grow as >people > > > add themselves to it. Since there's no forum there, it's very easy. > > Perhaps > > > having aerocommander.com to link to it would be very simple. > > > > > > As far as the twincommanderflyer.com forum, I think the matronics >email > > list > > > is probably more efficient. Our membership, I feel, is too small to > > benefit > > > from using a forum environment. The replies just on this list are > > sometimes > > > days apart. I'm in agreement with Tom & Moe: JB has put in too much > > effort, > > > and why split up our already too-small membership among multiple >sites? > > > > > > Just my $0.02, > > > > > > /John > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "nico css" > > > To: > > > Subject: Commander-List: Multiple forums > > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > We cannot proceed like this, in my (not always) humble opinion. We >now > > > have > > > > two excellent websites going: www.aerocommander.com and > > > > www.twincommanderflyer.com and, of course, the unofficial repository >of > > > data > > > > on my webserver, www.teletuition.org/documents, which is not a >Commander > > > > website. > > > > > > > > The commanderflyer website has innovative and very exciting features >and > > > the > > > > aerocommander.com website, creatively speaking, is very attractive. > > > > Contracting Google's satellite mapping to show members is just > > ingenious. > > > > The next step would be to show satellite images of different >airfields, > > of > > > > course. I celebrate the innovativeness that brought these two sites >to > > our > > > > forum, but I believe it is important to the group that we find a way >to > > > work > > > > together and present a single platform where the group can interact. >I > > > don't > > > > think that it is helpful that we have three different sites to work > > > through > > > > to find all the material. There appears to be no economic incentive >for > > > the > > > > owners of any of the two abovementioned sites - there certainly is >none > > on > > > > my part - which means that they have been produced as works of >passion > > and > > > > it shows in their work. > > > > > > > > We need to address this matter sooner than later and invite >cooperation > > > > between the two owners. Perhaps the www.aerocommander.com site can >act > > as > > > > the front page and navigation system between the pages, while > > > > www.twincommanderflyer.com acts as the forum with the former >containing > > > > links to the latter. The DNS servers can be configured so that, > > regardless > > > > of which name is typed into one's browser, the same website always >shows > > > up. > > > > > > > > What say you all? > > > > Thanks > > > > Nico > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - > > 12/08/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:37:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > > > > ben@gmpexpress.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean the end of the Matronics list? > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only if participants cease using it! > > > > > > > > > > Happy Skies, > > > > > > > > > > Old Bob > > > > > AKA > > > > > Bob Siegfried > > > > > Ancient Aviator > > > > > Stearman N3977A > > > > > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > > > > > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > > > > > 630 985-8503 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:16 PM PST US From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: RE: Commander-List: NEW LIST --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" jb, here here. mason >From: YOURTCFG@aol.com >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Commander-List: NEW LIST >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:10:17 EST > >--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > >HI KIDS. > > I have sent a note to skyhawkC-172 (whomever that is) and asked >him >to place his enthusiasm and effort behind our group. I believe that >dividing >the already small list would probably cause both chat groups to ultimately >fail. The matronics list has been very trouble free and completely free >of >any virus. I hope all of you will stay here. That said, I applaud his >(her) >effort and hope that it can be channeled in our direction. Hope all is >well >in your "Commanderland" Merry Christmas jb > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:10 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Documentation + --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Documentation + > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" > > tf, please forward your phone number i will call you on these. mason > > > >From: "Tom Fisher" > >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: Commander-List: Documentation + > >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:28:56 -0800 > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > > > >Gents, > > > >I am looking for documentation in the for of drawings or lists of parts on > >the Mr. RPM conversion, one question that came up is that the data plate on > >the aircraft still has the wrong engines on it and we need to see the STC > >to > >determine if the data plate is required to be changed or not. > >Another item is that I have on each engine a plastic air line going from > >the > >fuel pump to the fuel pressure gauge that appears to be an automotive part. > >This too may be mentioned in the STC documentation. > > > >I last heard that Dick sold the MR.RPM rights to a couple of people who > >have > >not been able to supply me with information this summer as they were saying > >"everything is in boxes", and "not set up", any update on them? > > > >My local engineers are about to tackle the job of setting up the engines to > >spec. As I really dislike paying for their learning curve I would like to > >supply them with some form of documentation for this engine setup. > >Short of that I'll pay someone like Morris Kernik to come to Vancouver to > >teach my locals how to service this machine. > > > >I'll take all the responses I can get, I would like to get my plane back > >before the Christmas holidays. > > > >Tom F. > >C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:56 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Documentation + --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Sorry about the blank send a second ago, cell: 604-649-9320 Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Documentation + > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" > > tf, please forward your phone number i will call you on these. mason > > > >From: "Tom Fisher" > >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: Commander-List: Documentation + > >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:28:56 -0800 > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > > > >Gents, > > > >I am looking for documentation in the for of drawings or lists of parts on > >the Mr. RPM conversion, one question that came up is that the data plate on > >the aircraft still has the wrong engines on it and we need to see the STC > >to > >determine if the data plate is required to be changed or not. > >Another item is that I have on each engine a plastic air line going from > >the > >fuel pump to the fuel pressure gauge that appears to be an automotive part. > >This too may be mentioned in the STC documentation. > > > >I last heard that Dick sold the MR.RPM rights to a couple of people who > >have > >not been able to supply me with information this summer as they were saying > >"everything is in boxes", and "not set up", any update on them? > > > >My local engineers are about to tackle the job of setting up the engines to > >spec. As I really dislike paying for their learning curve I would like to > >supply them with some form of documentation for this engine setup. > >Short of that I'll pay someone like Morris Kernik to come to Vancouver to > >teach my locals how to service this machine. > > > >I'll take all the responses I can get, I would like to get my plane back > >before the Christmas holidays. > > > >Tom F. > >C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > >