Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:44 AM - Short ownership (Ben Baltrusaitis)
2. 06:49 AM - Re: Documentation + (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
3. 08:36 AM - Re: Documentation + (Tom Fisher)
4. 09:22 AM - 520 Aero Commander Pilot Report June 1968 (BertBerry1@aol.com)
5. 09:30 AM - Re: 520 Aero Commander Pilot Report June 1968 (Barry Collman)
6. 11:12 AM - Seat bolts (mike floyd)
7. 11:47 AM - Re: Seat bolts (Tom Fisher)
8. 12:25 PM - Seat Bolts (mike floyd)
9. 01:28 PM - Re: Cessna 195 crash (N560WM@AOL.COM)
10. 02:10 PM - Re: Cessna 195 crash (Alan Kucheck)
11. 02:55 PM - Re: Cessna 195 crash (css nico)
12. 05:23 PM - Re: Short ownership N41KV (Tylor Hall)
13. 05:26 PM - Re: Cessna 195 crash (Tylor Hall)
14. 08:00 PM - Re: Seat bolts (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
15. 10:50 PM - Re: Seat bolts (Tom Fisher)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
41KV was purchased in Sept. according to the FAA registry certificate issue date:
Serial Number
1422-69
Type Registration
Corporation
Manufacturer Name
AERO COMMANDER
Certificate Issue Date
09/08/2005
Model
560-F
Status
Valid
Type Aircraft
Fixed Wing Multi-Engine
Type Engine
Reciprocating
Pending Number Change
None
Dealer
No
Date Change Authorized
None
Mode S Code
51151274
MFR Year
1964
Fractional Owner
NO
Registered Owner
Name
RUSTY BONES LLC
Street
1641 TICE VALLEY BLVD
City
WALNUT CREEK
State
CALIFORNIA
Zip Code
94595-1625
I see she's for sale again.
http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID1098597&guidDB47B26846124F5294B8149EF97729F6
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of my price range. . . .
The other ad had her for sale in TN (I saved the ad):
Contact:
Aircenter, Inc.
Gary L. Gadberry
Send Aircenter, Inc. A Message
Aircraft is Located in:
Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
Phone: (423)893-5444
Fax: (423)893-5004
I'm only posting for anyone who is interested--nothing more.
Ben .
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation + |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA@msn.com>
TF, WILL GET COPIES IN NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. I LOOKED @ 2001M AND THERE IS A
DATA PLATE MOUNTED UNDER ORIGINAL. I WILL TRY TO GET YOU A RUBBING. IT IS VERY
FAINT. YOU COULD PROBABLY CUT SHEET METAL AND STAMP ENGINES ON IT AGE IT
MOUNT IT AND PUT DIRT AND WAX BUILD UP AROUND IT AND BE OK? MASON HAVE A MERRY
CHRISTMAS AND A LESSER EXPENSIVE NEW YEAR ON YOUR BIRD. P S I AM GOING
TO BUILD MOUNT FOR BENCH SEAT FROM CARRIAGE BOLTS. IF YOU WILL CONFIRM HOW MANY
YOU NEED I WILL BUILD YOUR SETS ALSO.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Documentation +
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>>
Sorry about the blank send a second ago, cell: 604-649-9320
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com<mailto:kamala@msn.com>>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Documentation +
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com<mailto:kamala@msn.com>>
>
> tf, please forward your phone number i will call you on these. mason
>
>
> >From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>>
> >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> >To: <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
> >Subject: Commander-List: Documentation +
> >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:28:56 -0800
> >
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> ><tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>>
> >
> >Gents,
> >
> >I am looking for documentation in the for of drawings or lists of parts
on
> >the Mr. RPM conversion, one question that came up is that the data plate
on
> >the aircraft still has the wrong engines on it and we need to see the STC
> >to
> >determine if the data plate is required to be changed or not.
> >Another item is that I have on each engine a plastic air line going from
> >the
> >fuel pump to the fuel pressure gauge that appears to be an automotive
part.
> >This too may be mentioned in the STC documentation.
> >
> >I last heard that Dick sold the MR.RPM rights to a couple of people who
> >have
> >not been able to supply me with information this summer as they were
saying
> >"everything is in boxes", and "not set up", any update on them?
> >
> >My local engineers are about to tackle the job of setting up the engines
to
> >spec. As I really dislike paying for their learning curve I would like
to
> >supply them with some form of documentation for this engine setup.
> >Short of that I'll pay someone like Morris Kernik to come to Vancouver to
> >teach my locals how to service this machine.
> >
> >I'll take all the responses I can get, I would like to get my plane back
> >before the Christmas holidays.
> >
> >Tom F.
> >C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation + |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Thanks for the thought Mason.
I would love to pour over the paperwork.
Data plate, well after one of the engineers told me about a possible
required data plate I went to look and there was an additional plate there!
The Engine model number was and the date (74) was there, so what is the
problem?
The engineer said that yes it is there but there is no title (label) for the
stamped numbers and that is what is was complaining about.
A picture of yours to see if it is the same would be great, I don't
specifically need the rubbing as I am looking for any other printing that
might be on the plate to identify what the numbers stamped on the plate
refer to.
Seat bolts, thank you for the offer to make eight more attachment seat bolts
but I would be very worried if the seat ripped out of it's track during a
rapid deceleration, your modified bolts might be stronger than the original
but as I fly for the Government I have to keep on the legal side of things
as much as possible.
I will continue to keep my ear to the ground for these seats track bolts and
advise when/if I find some.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Documentation +
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA@msn.com>
>
> TF, WILL GET COPIES IN NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. I LOOKED @ 2001M AND THERE
IS A DATA PLATE MOUNTED UNDER ORIGINAL. I WILL TRY TO GET YOU A RUBBING.
IT IS VERY FAINT. YOU COULD PROBABLY CUT SHEET METAL AND STAMP ENGINES ON
IT AGE IT MOUNT IT AND PUT DIRT AND WAX BUILD UP AROUND IT AND BE OK? MASON
HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A LESSER EXPENSIVE NEW YEAR ON YOUR BIRD. P S
I AM GOING TO BUILD MOUNT FOR BENCH SEAT FROM CARRIAGE BOLTS. IF YOU WILL
CONFIRM HOW MANY YOU NEED I WILL BUILD YOUR SETS ALSO.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Documentation +
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>>
>
> Sorry about the blank send a second ago, cell: 604-649-9320
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com<mailto:kamala@msn.com>>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Documentation +
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier"
<kamala@msn.com<mailto:kamala@msn.com>>
> >
> > tf, please forward your phone number i will call you on these. mason
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>>
> > >Reply-To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> > >To:
<commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
> > >Subject: Commander-List: Documentation +
> > >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:28:56 -0800
> > >
> > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > ><tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>>
> > >
> > >Gents,
> > >
> > >I am looking for documentation in the for of drawings or lists of
parts
> on
> > >the Mr. RPM conversion, one question that came up is that the data
plate
> on
> > >the aircraft still has the wrong engines on it and we need to see the
STC
> > >to
> > >determine if the data plate is required to be changed or not.
> > >Another item is that I have on each engine a plastic air line going
from
> > >the
> > >fuel pump to the fuel pressure gauge that appears to be an automotive
> part.
> > >This too may be mentioned in the STC documentation.
> > >
> > >I last heard that Dick sold the MR.RPM rights to a couple of people
who
> > >have
> > >not been able to supply me with information this summer as they were
> saying
> > >"everything is in boxes", and "not set up", any update on them?
> > >
> > >My local engineers are about to tackle the job of setting up the
engines
> to
> > >spec. As I really dislike paying for their learning curve I would
like
> to
> > >supply them with some form of documentation for this engine setup.
> > >Short of that I'll pay someone like Morris Kernik to come to
Vancouver to
> > >teach my locals how to service this machine.
> > >
> > >I'll take all the responses I can get, I would like to get my plane
back
> > >before the Christmas holidays.
> > >
> > >Tom F.
> > >C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> > >
>
>
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| Subject: | 520 Aero Commander Pilot Report June 1968 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
I just sent the June 1968 Pilot Report on the 520, hope you all enjoy. And
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you all.
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: 520 Aero Commander Pilot Report June 1968 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Thanks Bert, not only for this item, but also for all the others that you have
taken the time and trouble to scan and make available to the Commander
Community.
A Very Merry Christmas and New Year to you and to All my other Friends in
wonderful CommanderLand!
Barry C. (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 520 Aero Commander Pilot Report June 1968
| --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
|
| I just sent the June 1968 Pilot Report on the 520, hope you all enjoy. And
| Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you all.
|
| Bert
|
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
For the seat mounting bolts "studs" talk to Nick Freeman at Aero Air in
Oregon he knows the part number and source for them.
Mike Floyd
Commander NW LTD
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Thanks for that information, anyone have the number for Aero Air?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Seat bolts
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
>
> For the seat mounting bolts "studs" talk to Nick Freeman at Aero Air in
> Oregon he knows the part number and source for them.
>
> Mike Floyd
> Commander NW LTD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
Aero Air Phone number is: 1-800-448-2376
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| Subject: | Re: Cessna 195 crash |
--> Commander-List message posted by: N560WM@aol.com
It is true is Gary Tillman from Georgia they have not found them or the
aircraft, went down Sunday off the St. Augustine coast, Gary had a 500A commander
that he sold a couple of years ago.
A very nice gentleman.
AB
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| Subject: | Re: Cessna 195 crash |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Alan Kucheck <akucheck@gmail.com>
I bought Gary's Aero Commander a little over two years ago. My wife and I
were very sorry to hear this news this week and have his family, and the
families of the other passengers in our hearts and thoughts.
Alan
On 12/21/05, N560WM@aol.com <N560WM@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: N560WM@aol.com
>
> It is true is Gary Tillman from Georgia they have not found them or the
> aircraft, went down Sunday off the St. Augustine coast, Gary had a
> 500A commander
> that he sold a couple of years ago.
> A very nice gentleman.
>
> AB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cessna 195 crash |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Would this renew the single vs. multi engine debate?
I see a lot of single engine light planes cross the LA metropolitan area at
about 1,000' AGL every night, with no place to land within 50 miles. Multi
engine planes are more expensive in many ways. In my opinion, it is always a
wise investment.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cessna 195 crash
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Alan Kucheck <akucheck@gmail.com>
>
> I bought Gary's Aero Commander a little over two years ago. My wife and I
> were very sorry to hear this news this week and have his family, and the
> families of the other passengers in our hearts and thoughts.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 12/21/05, N560WM@aol.com <N560WM@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: N560WM@aol.com
> >
> > It is true is Gary Tillman from Georgia they have not found them or the
> > aircraft, went down Sunday off the St. Augustine coast, Gary had a
> > 500A commander
> > that he sold a couple of years ago.
> > A very nice gentleman.
> >
> > AB
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Short ownership N41KV |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
N41KV was the last MR RPM conversion done in the late 1999 or 2000.
You know about the "How to make a small fortune in Aviation?" Start
with a large one. This is an example.
these are very good photos of the new paint job that I have not seen
before.
Tylor Hall
On Dec 21, 2005, at 6:44 AM, Ben Baltrusaitis wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis"
> <ben@gmpexpress.net>
>
> 41KV was purchased in Sept. according to the FAA registry
> certificate issue date:
>
> Serial Number
>
> 1422-69
>
> Type Registration
>
> Corporation
>
> Manufacturer Name
>
> AERO COMMANDER
>
> Certificate Issue Date
>
> 09/08/2005
>
> Model
>
> 560-F
>
> Status
>
> Valid
>
> Type Aircraft
>
> Fixed Wing Multi-Engine
>
> Type Engine
>
> Reciprocating
>
> Pending Number Change
>
> None
>
> Dealer
>
> No
>
> Date Change Authorized
>
> None
>
> Mode S Code
>
> 51151274
>
> MFR Year
>
> 1964
>
> Fractional Owner
>
> NO
>
>
> Registered Owner
>
> Name
>
> RUSTY BONES LLC
>
> Street
>
> 1641 TICE VALLEY BLVD
>
> City
>
> WALNUT CREEK
> State
> CALIFORNIA
>
> Zip Code
> 94595-1625
>
>
> I see she's for sale again.
> http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?
> OHID1098597&guidDB47B26846124F5294B8149EF97729F6
>
> Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of my price range. . . .
>
> The other ad had her for sale in TN (I saved the ad):
> Contact:
> Aircenter, Inc.
> Gary L. Gadberry
> Send Aircenter, Inc. A Message
>
> Aircraft is Located in:
> Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
> Phone: (423)893-5444
> Fax: (423)893-5004
>
> I'm only posting for anyone who is interested--nothing more.
> Ben .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cessna 195 crash |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Has anyone heard anything new on Gary Tillman? He will be missed.
Yes Nico, flying over tall mountains, oceans, and LA, Two seems like
a good investment.
Tylor Hall
On Dec 21, 2005, at 3:54 PM, css nico wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Would this renew the single vs. multi engine debate?
>
> I see a lot of single engine light planes cross the LA metropolitan
> area at
> about 1,000' AGL every night, with no place to land within 50
> miles. Multi
> engine planes are more expensive in many ways. In my opinion, it is
> always a
> wise investment.
>
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@gmail.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cessna 195 crash
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: Alan Kucheck
>> <akucheck@gmail.com>
>>
>> I bought Gary's Aero Commander a little over two years ago. My
>> wife and I
>> were very sorry to hear this news this week and have his family,
>> and the
>> families of the other passengers in our hearts and thoughts.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/05, N560WM@aol.com <N560WM@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> --> Commander-List message posted by: N560WM@aol.com
>>>
>>> It is true is Gary Tillman from Georgia they have not found them
>>> or the
>>> aircraft, went down Sunday off the St. Augustine coast, Gary had a
>>> 500A commander
>>> that he sold a couple of years ago.
>>> A very nice gentleman.
>>>
>>> AB
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/21/2005 11:48:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
Thanks for that information
HI TOM.
It sure sounds like you are having a ton of trouble with this Commander.
Who did your pre-buy inspection?? Merry Christmas jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
A firm in Toronto did the annual (they have been doing this aircraft for a
number of years) I purchased it sight unseen (photos only).
When it is the only one in the world for sale
and you have waited for over two years to get one
and the owner keeps putting it on year long contracts instead of selling it,
I expected to sink another $50,000 into it but not for basic things like
installing a non-existent hydraulic filter.
Someone has suggested that this aircraft may not be airworthy due to the 18"
square hole cut out of the aft cabin bulkhead to accommodate previously
installed equipment, that will be fun.
I did not have the cash up front to buy one (if available) that was in
better shape but I have the cash flow to slowly support the aircraft and
bring it up to snuff.
Look at the prices some are asking for the two 680's (Mr.RPM) currently for
sale $395,000. & $425,000. , not in my ballpark.
Happy humbugs!
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Seat bolts
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2005 11:48:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> Thanks for that information
> HI TOM.
>
> It sure sounds like you are having a ton of trouble with this
Commander.
> Who did your pre-buy inspection?? Merry Christmas jb
>
>
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