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1. 08:44 AM - [Fw: URLS for commander chat list] (Chris Schuermann)
2. 08:55 AM - FLAPS (Moe)
3. 09:05 AM - Re: FLAPS (Barry Collman)
4. 09:38 AM - Re: FLAPS (John Vormbaum)
5. 10:16 AM - Re: FLAPS ()
6. 12:02 PM - Re: FLAPS (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
7. 01:10 PM - Re: FLAPS (Moe)
8. 03:15 PM - Re: FLAPS (Tom Fisher)
9. 09:18 PM - Re: FLAPS (BillLeff1@aol.com)
10. 09:45 PM - Re: FLAPS (Bert Berry)
11. 10:08 PM - Re: FLAPS (Bert Berry)
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| Subject: | [Fwd: URLS for commander chat list] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: URLS for commander chat list
From: N395V <N395V@direcway.com>
Chris would you mind posting these URLs to the commander chat list.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4600376179&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4600376179&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4600372701&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4600372701&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT>
They are for 685 manuals and fuel caps.
Thanks,
Milt
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Hi Folks:
As I understand it, the beginning of the white arc on the air speed indicator is
the point where maximum flaps can be deployed. Does anyone have reliable information
(or a chart) as to what speed partial flaps can be let down on a 680F(p)?
It seems that ATC keeps holding me higher and higher until later, and getting down
with geared engines can be most challenging.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Moe,
From figures I've 'picked up' along the way, the maximum flaps extended speeds
on a 680F(P) are as follows:
Half extended, 130 knots; 150mph; 241 km/hr
Fully extended, 118 knots; 136mph; 219 km/hr
For reference, the Landing Gear extended speeds (Vle) are 156 knots; 180mph; 290
km/hr
All these are True Indicated speeds.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: FLAPS
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
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| Hi Folks:
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| As I understand it, the beginning of the white arc on the air speed indicator
is the point where maximum flaps can be deployed. Does anyone have reliable
information (or a chart) as to what speed partial flaps can be let down on a
680F(p)?
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| It seems that ATC keeps holding me higher and higher until later, and getting
down with geared engines can be most challenging.
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| Regards,
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| Moe Mills
| N680RR
| 680F(p)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
hi Moe,
I was taught both by John Meredith & Morris that 1/2 flaps can be let down
at 130kias. IIRC, the beginning of the white arc is at 120kias. When things
are congested here in the bay area and they try to jam me into a full
pattern, I often use 1/2 flaps at 130kias.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: FLAPS
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
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> Hi Folks:
>
> As I understand it, the beginning of the white arc on the air speed
indicator is the point where maximum flaps can be deployed. Does anyone
have reliable information (or a chart) as to what speed partial flaps can be
let down on a 680F(p)?
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> It seems that ATC keeps holding me higher and higher until later, and
getting down with geared engines can be most challenging.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
The operating manual confirms 130K for half flaps.
Phil
> [Original Message]
> From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/29/2005 12:41:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLAPS
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> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
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> hi Moe,
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> I was taught both by John Meredith & Morris that 1/2 flaps can be let down
> at 130kias. IIRC, the beginning of the white arc is at 120kias. When
things
> are congested here in the bay area and they try to jam me into a full
> pattern, I often use 1/2 flaps at 130kias.
>
> /John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: FLAPS
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> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA@msn.com>
MM, ACCORDING TO MY CLOUD CRAFT MANUAL, MAX SPEED FOR 1/2 FLAPS IS 150 MPH/130
KTS. AND FULL FLAPS 146 MPH/129 KTS. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FLAPS
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
Hi Folks:
As I understand it, the beginning of the white arc on the air speed indicator
is the point where maximum flaps can be deployed. Does anyone have reliable
information (or a chart) as to what speed partial flaps can be let down on a 680F(p)?
It seems that ATC keeps holding me higher and higher until later, and getting
down with geared engines can be most challenging.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Mason,
What is a Cloud Craft Manual?
MM
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLAPS
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA@msn.com>
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> MM, ACCORDING TO MY CLOUD CRAFT MANUAL, MAX SPEED FOR 1/2 FLAPS IS 150
MPH/130 KTS. AND FULL FLAPS 146 MPH/129 KTS. MASON
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:52 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: FLAPS
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> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
<moe@rosspistons.com<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>>
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> Hi Folks:
>
> As I understand it, the beginning of the white arc on the air speed
indicator is the point where maximum flaps can be deployed. Does anyone
have reliable information (or a chart) as to what speed partial flaps can be
let down on a 680F(p)?
>
> It seems that ATC keeps holding me higher and higher until later, and
getting down with geared engines can be most challenging.
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> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
The Cloud Craft Manual is an excellent document!
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLAPS
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
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> Mason,
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> What is a Cloud Craft Manual?
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> MM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA@msn.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLAPS
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> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
<KAMALA@msn.com>
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> > MM, ACCORDING TO MY CLOUD CRAFT MANUAL, MAX SPEED FOR 1/2 FLAPS IS 150
> MPH/130 KTS. AND FULL FLAPS 146 MPH/129 KTS. MASON
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:52 AM
> > Subject: Commander-List: FLAPS
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> > As I understand it, the beginning of the white arc on the air speed
> indicator is the point where maximum flaps can be deployed. Does anyone
> have reliable information (or a chart) as to what speed partial flaps can
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> > It seems that ATC keeps holding me higher and higher until later, and
> getting down with geared engines can be most challenging.
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> > N680RR
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--> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com
The following is from the Type certification Data Sheet for the 680F
Maneuvering 157 m.p.h. (137 K) True Ind.
Max. Struc. cruising 230 m.p.h. (200 K) True Ind.
Never exceed 288 m.p.h. (250 K) True Ind.
Flaps extended - half 150 m.p.h. (130 K) True Ind.
Flaps extended - full 136 m.p.h. (118 K) True Ind.
Landing gear extended 180 m.p.h. (156 K) True Ind.
These are the only limitations that apply to your model.
Before you ask what True Indicated Airspeed is; it is the same as Calibrated
Airspeed.
The full flap 129 kt limitation is for the early Turbo Commanders (680T thru
681)
Wait, you have a 680FP. There is no such model. How could that be?
Well, it goes like this: Unlike Cessna, Piper and Beechcraft who had to
build a special models to pressurize their poorly built aircraft. Ted Smith built
the Aero Commander so strong that pressurization was an option!!. See note 5
from the Type Certification Data Sheet. It is installed per an engineering
drawing and a Service Information Letter!
NOTE 5:
An optional pressurized version of the Model 680-F
designated "680-F (Pressurized)" was approved June 29, 1962.
This model is a standard 680-F incorporating a factory
modification per Aero Commander Dwg. 610021. Note the
special required equipment list and the special equipment
column for this modified 680-F in Revision No. 24 or Service
Information SI-118.
Cool isn't it. Next time you want to brag about your Aero Commander to the
unwashed masses who own Cessnas, Pipers, and Beechcraft tell them about this.
Let them top that!
By the way the 500A, 500B, 560F and the 680F are all the same airframe. So,
any of them could have been pressurized: structurally, that is.
I believe if you look at your Data Plate on the tail , it says 680F not
680FP.
Happy New Year!
Bill Leff
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
Bravo!!! That's the kind of info I think we all want to hear.
Keep it coming Bill.
-----Original Message-----
From: BillLeff1@aol.com
To:commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLAPS
--> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com
The following is from the Type certification Data Sheet for the 680F
Maneuvering 157 m.p.h. (137 K) True Ind.
Max. Struc. cruising 230 m.p.h. (200 K) True Ind.
Never exceed 288 m.p.h. (250 K) True Ind.
Flaps extended - half 150 m.p.h. (130 K) True Ind.
Flaps extended - full 136 m.p.h. (118 K) True Ind.
Landing gear extended 180 m.p.h. (156 K) True Ind.
These are the only limitations that apply to your model.
Before you ask what True Indicated Airspeed is; it is the same as Calibrated
Airspeed.
The full flap 129 kt limitation is for the early Turbo Commanders (680T thru
681)
Wait, you have a 680FP. There is no such model. How could that be?
Well, it goes like this: Unlike Cessna, Piper and Beechcraft who had to
build a special models to pressurize their poorly built aircraft. Ted Smith built
the Aero Commander so strong that pressurization was an option!!. See note 5
from the Type Certification Data Sheet. It is installed per an engineering
drawing and a Service Information Letter!
NOTE 5:
An optional pressurized version of the Model 680-F
designated "680-F (Pressurized)" was approved June 29, 1962.
This model is a standard 680-F incorporating a factory
modification per Aero Commander Dwg. 610021. Note the
special required equipment list and the special equipment
column for this modified 680-F in Revision No. 24 or Service
Information SI-118.
Cool isn't it. Next time you want to brag about your Aero Commander to the
unwashed masses who own Cessnas, Pipers, and Beechcraft tell them about this.
Let them top that!
By the way the 500A, 500B, 560F and the 680F are all the same airframe. So,
any of them could have been pressurized: structurally, that is.
I believe if you look at your Data Plate on the tail , it says 680F not
680FP.
Happy New Year!
Bill Leff
bertberry1@aol.com
Message 11
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
Bill,
Can you tell me the difference between a 690B and the 690B II?
-----Original Message-----
From: BillLeff1@aol.com
To:commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLAPS
--> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com
The following is from the Type certification Data Sheet for the 680F
Maneuvering 157 m.p.h. (137 K) True Ind.
Max. Struc. cruising 230 m.p.h. (200 K) True Ind.
Never exceed 288 m.p.h. (250 K) True Ind.
Flaps extended - half 150 m.p.h. (130 K) True Ind.
Flaps extended - full 136 m.p.h. (118 K) True Ind.
Landing gear extended 180 m.p.h. (156 K) True Ind.
These are the only limitations that apply to your model.
Before you ask what True Indicated Airspeed is; it is the same as Calibrated
Airspeed.
The full flap 129 kt limitation is for the early Turbo Commanders (680T thru
681)
Wait, you have a 680FP. There is no such model. How could that be?
Well, it goes like this: Unlike Cessna, Piper and Beechcraft who had to
build a special models to pressurize their poorly built aircraft. Ted Smith built
the Aero Commander so strong that pressurization was an option!!. See note 5
from the Type Certification Data Sheet. It is installed per an engineering
drawing and a Service Information Letter!
NOTE 5:
An optional pressurized version of the Model 680-F
designated "680-F (Pressurized)" was approved June 29, 1962.
This model is a standard 680-F incorporating a factory
modification per Aero Commander Dwg. 610021. Note the
special required equipment list and the special equipment
column for this modified 680-F in Revision No. 24 or Service
Information SI-118.
Cool isn't it. Next time you want to brag about your Aero Commander to the
unwashed masses who own Cessnas, Pipers, and Beechcraft tell them about this.
Let them top that!
By the way the 500A, 500B, 560F and the 680F are all the same airframe. So,
any of them could have been pressurized: structurally, that is.
I believe if you look at your Data Plate on the tail , it says 680F not
680FP.
Happy New Year!
Bill Leff
bertberry1@aol.com
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